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Should AFL players be FORCED to have a flu shot?
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Sure let’s sue everyone for not doing something
Yes pharma companies are producing vaccines for the love
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Yep. And even better, make sure '5G' is written on the needle in large font when you do it.
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Yeah sure.
Too bad - life expectancy has continued to grow year by year. One bit of pesky evidence that contradicts the claim that Doctors been taught wrong.
Life Expectancy
When and why did the average age at which people die increase and how can we make further progress against early death?
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BTW - the use of pharmaceuticals goes back a lot further than the 1960s.
Pharmaceutical industry | Definition, Overview, History, Characteristics, Examples, & Facts
Pharmaceutical industry, the discovery, development, and manufacture of drugs and medications (pharmaceuticals) by public and private organizations. The modern era of the pharmaceutical industry—of isolation and purification of compounds, chemical synthesis, and computer-aided drug design—is
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Before you get to highfalutin about '5G', maybe watch this little 4minute video. I am not for or against before you label me, but a US Senate Hearing counts for something:
USA Senate hearing 2019: 5G safety relies solely on “low-power assumption”: Déjà vu all-over again
5G technology and health & environment = FLYING BLIND On February 6, 2019, took place hearing before the US Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, on the future of the 5G wirel…
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So by that logic motorbike helmets don't work because their makers profit off them?
Don't get me wrong. Pharmaceutical companies do need to be heavily regulated. That is why having strict guidelines about clinical trials, replication by independent bodies like Universities and medical boards and allowing legal recourse should a pharma company screw up (see Thalidomide being prescribed as a sedative in the 50s/60s) are critical. You also have the added control of insurance companies refusing to underwrite treatments, that haven't got a strong evidence base. The industry itself didn't endorse Trump's proposed deregulation.
Deregulation of FDA Approval Process Could Be Detrimental to Human Health, Experts Warn
Experts warn against plans to lessen drug testing and approval standards.
Sure pharmaceutical companies are in the business of making money but they make money by ensuring they produce a product that works.
Vaccinations are not always as safe as many on here think. I'm not anti vax but people do need to see both sides with a bit of balance.
www.abc.net.au
Girl severely disabled after flu jab wins settlement
A Western Australian girl who was left severely disabled after receiving the flu vaccination shortly before her first birthday has been awarded what is believed to be a multi-million dollar payout. Saba Button was given Fluvax as part of the State Government's flu vaccination program in 2010...
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Not true - flu vaccine is safe. Just like vaccines have never caused a case of autism.Vaccinations are not always as safe as many on here think. I'm not anti vax but people do need to see both sides with a bit of balance.
Girl severely disabled after flu jab wins settlement
A Western Australian girl who was left severely disabled after receiving the flu vaccination shortly before her first birthday has been awarded what is believed to be a multi-million dollar payout. Saba Button was given Fluvax as part of the State Government's flu vaccination program in 2010...
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Nobody has ever denied people can’t have a bad reaction to a vaccine. People can have a bad reaction to many life-saving medicines. But you might as well refuse to have life-saving heart surgery because some people have died on the table.
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Another one to credit to the power hungry nutcase Queensland Chief Health Officer.
Add it to closing schools to incite fear and enforcing an unethical policy on NRL teams.
The moment this story came out last week I called bullshit on the implication of Covid 19 being a cause of death when he clearly had other serious health issues. Now it turns out he never even had it.
I also believe the Nurse people unfairly tried to pin it on deserves an apology as well.
Strange logic. Life saving heart surgery is quite different to having a vaccine for something like flu that generally only kills very old people. Only a fool would not have the heart surgery, a flu shot for an 11 month old baby (as in the example I gave) is not even remotely in the same category. That is why flu shots were suspended to children under the age of 5.
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Nathan Turner death: race to find how young Queensland man contracted coronavirus in small town
Blackwater residents urged to get tested as MP calls for investigation into infected Rockhampton nurse who travelled to the town
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Turner had a complicated medical history, and it’s understood he had not worked since November due to a workplace injury. He was not tested for Covid-19 before his death .
It remains unclear if Covid-19 was the actual cause of death, and there have been questions surrounding a second postmortem test, which came back negative.
Queensland’s chief health officer, Dr Jeannette Young, said this negative test was invalid.
“It was done … after the gentleman had died, and it was contaminated with quite a bit of blood, so, therefore, it wasn’t an effective test,” she said. “There was a test done [before] which is a very sensitive test, and it came back positive. So I believe it was a positive.”
Definitely prefers the option that promotes fear in the community rather than the logical option of no cases in the town and the guy being home bound.
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You’ve found the exception not the rule. Peanut butter has killed someone, should everyone avoid it?
Of course, as I've said, I am not anti vax, but this happens more often than you'd think, but it is very hard to prove. But the point is they were vaccinating 11 month babies and they brought it back to 5 years and above. So they adjusted their own science to be a bit more sensible and cautious. This is important to note, vaccines whilst good in general are not completely safe and science has to take that into account more.
The Danish study you quote was a study of fully required vaccinated Denmark children vs fully required vaccinated Denmark children plus MMR vaccine. How can anyone possibly conclude that “vaccines don’t cause autism” from such a study? At best all you can conclude is that MMR doesn’t cause autism any worse than the rest of the vaccine schedule. It must also be noted that three of the study authors were employed by a vaccine manufacturer and the whole study was sponsored by a Danish vaccine manufacturer.The vaccine/autism myth came from an article published in a Bristish medical journal called The Lancet by Andrew Wakefield. It claimed based on a study of 12 children that the measles mumps rubella vaccine may be linked with autism. This article was retracted and discredited by the same medical journal and over 400 independent studies across the world since. It was also later found that a law firm looking for a link between the 2 had paid over 400,000 Pounds for him to 'find' that result. as for sources, there are thousands if you would like to research the issue.
Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism
Autism is a life-long condition that begins in childhood, typically by age 2. Many people believe that there is a link between autism and chwww.poison.org
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New research again confirms no link between MMR vaccine and autism
The 20-year study, the largest of its kind, comprehensively invalidated claims that the MMR vaccine increases the risk of developing ASD.www1.racgp.org.au
heres 3 to get you started.
I find it interesting that those who love a good conspiracy seem to overlook that the guy was paid to find that result, it was discredited and that the sample size was 12 children
The truth is there has never been a large scale proper study to determine whether any link exists between vaccines and autism. There is simply no proof either way. Why has there never been a proper study? Governments worldwide would have the data to determine the long term health benefits of vaccines, they could put the whole argument to bed but they seemingly refuse to.
It’s pretty stupid to compare life saving surgery to forcing healthy people to take drugs, albeit biological drugs. Who the hell wouldn’t have life-saving heart surgery?
Whilst there is no proof either way as to whether vaccines cause autism. Below is the first ever peer reviewed study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children:
www.oatext.com
Positives for vaccinated
400% less likely for chickenpox
340% less whooping cough
600% less Rubella
negatives for vaccinated
240% more likely chronic illness
290% more Eczema
370% more neurodevelopmental disorder
380% more pneumonia
420% more ADHD
420% more autism
520% more learning disability
3,000% more hay fever
Overall, the vaccinated kids were far more sickly than their unvaccinated counterparts. More hospital visits, more taking medication, more taking antibiotics.
This study isn’t conclusive proof, it’s relatively small (only 666 kids) and it was completed with questionnaires, which could lead to bias. Still it would be good if our government would actually provide a proper study of the long term health outcomes of vaccinated vs actual unvaccinated.
Pilot comparative study on the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated 6- to 12- year old U.S. children
OA Text is an independent open-access scientific publisher showcases innovative research and ideas aimed at improving health by linking research and practice to the benefit of society.
Positives for vaccinated
400% less likely for chickenpox
340% less whooping cough
600% less Rubella
negatives for vaccinated
240% more likely chronic illness
290% more Eczema
370% more neurodevelopmental disorder
380% more pneumonia
420% more ADHD
420% more autism
520% more learning disability
3,000% more hay fever
Overall, the vaccinated kids were far more sickly than their unvaccinated counterparts. More hospital visits, more taking medication, more taking antibiotics.
This study isn’t conclusive proof, it’s relatively small (only 666 kids) and it was completed with questionnaires, which could lead to bias. Still it would be good if our government would actually provide a proper study of the long term health outcomes of vaccinated vs actual unvaccinated.
I just came in here at the end, but wasn't this thread supposed to be about fit, strong, healthy AFL football having flu shots? Why are we talking about 11 month old babies?
As you opened this thread, did you honestly expect any different?
Taking the piss... I have no doubt there are many children who have had severe reactions to these vaccines. Mothers in general have good instincts when it comes to their children's behaviour and this is not just a handful who are seeing bad reactions and consequences which leads me to believe there is probably SOME truth to what they are saying.
But it is not me who is saying it, it is the judge and the medical dept's that have taken responsibility and paid out. That makes it fact, as you have alluded to because there is always some danger in medicines. That percentage of danger is rarely acknowledged by govt's/medical dept's and people who question vaccinations are general referred to as nut cases.
Because anti vaxxers can't make an argument.
I know I shouldn't be admitting it here, my 20 and 17 year old children are not vaccinated. At the time I had no real knowledge of the pro's and con's of vaccination. Also being anti vax was no big deal back then, you certainly weren't howled down like you are today. But my partner had a long held view, her grandmother a long time avid reader of alternative medicine, a vegan in the 70's etc had a very strong influence on her. She showed me books on vaccination by university professors about the pro's and con's, and it seemed really odd to me to want to introduce diseases into a healthy young baby. After all the best immunity is a very healthy mother.Whilst there is no proof either way as to whether vaccines cause autism. Below is the first ever peer reviewed study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children:
Pilot comparative study on the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated 6- to 12- year old U.S. children
OA Text is an independent open-access scientific publisher showcases innovative research and ideas aimed at improving health by linking research and practice to the benefit of society.
Positives for vaccinated
400% less likely for chickenpox
340% less whooping cough
600% less Rubella
negatives for vaccinated
240% more likely chronic illness
290% more Eczema
370% more neurodevelopmental disorder
380% more pneumonia
420% more ADHD
420% more autism
520% more learning disability
3,000% more hay fever
Overall, the vaccinated kids were far more sickly than their unvaccinated counterparts. More hospital visits, more taking medication, more taking antibiotics.
This study isn’t conclusive proof, it’s relatively small (only 666 kids) and it was completed with questionnaires, which could lead to bias. Still it would be good if our government would actually provide a proper study of the long term health outcomes of vaccinated vs actual unvaccinated.
I know that anecdotal evidence is not much evidence, and perhaps we were lucky but my children have never been to a doctor and never had a day of school (other than scamming) in their lives. Their aunty who needed to show her vaccination certificate to get a green card into the US had blood tests to show that she had a good range of vaccinations and was given one. In other words she must have picked up the diseases naturally but had a strong enough immunity to fight them off.
So whilst I am not anti-vax, I do question giving vaccinations to really young babies, as they age, no problem. My youngest had his meningococcal vaccination because he wanted to and at 16 and that was fine by us.
Doctors only ever hear about the cases at the pointy end of disease. They would never hear about children like ours.
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