Should I buy a 360 or PS3?

[r dub 19]

I just edited my post Kerrby.

No it isn't but I searched that article when I realised you were only talking about 2009.

I was talking about previous years.

The articles I was referring to addresses the back catalogue of games because it would have been pretty hard to comment on 2009 releases before the year was even over.

Anyway PC ftw.

PC for major loss, give it 5 years they will only be used for businesses and education . Everyone I know only buys laptops now and you can see that pc's are hadly advertised now.

 

[Valentino Dmitri]

Oh but you are cool enough, Jakey boy.

I see the lameness of the 360 has overtaken you .

Actually I think I've dragged the 360 down to my level. It used to be hip and groovy until I came in and 'tarded up the place

PC for major loss, give it 5 years they will only be used for businesses and education . Everyone I know only buys laptops now and you can see that pc's are hadly advertised now.

People have been saying that for at least the last 20 years. It's never going to happen.

 

[Play by Numbers]

PC for major loss, give it 5 years they will only be used for businesses and education . Everyone I know only buys laptops now and you can see that pc's are hadly advertised now.

lol wut?

 

[raffrox]

PC for major loss, give it 5 years they will only be used for businesses and education . Everyone I know only buys laptops now and you can see that pc's are hadly advertised now.

I play more console games than pc games but the pc will always have a role. RTS and any game with any kind of strategy at all will always play better on a pc.
And I won't even start with MMORPG's.

My number one most anticipated game is Diablo III and that just wouldn't work on a console.

I think decent japanese rpg's will die out before the pc (if they haven't already).

 

[Forrest Gimp]

PC for major loss, give it 5 years they will only be used for businesses and education . Everyone I know only buys laptops now and you can see that pc's are hadly advertised now.

The PC isn't dying, it's already shrunk as much as it's going to. Being an open platform nothing comes close to the indy game scene on PC. Other factors like the PC still being the gaming machine of choice in many countries (look at the PC games coming out of eastern europe the last few years), console games all starting life on PC making PC ports at the very least a cheap process as well as pc hardware that betters the current console hardware becoming cheaper than consoles themselves means the PC is far from dead. It's not in it's heyday anymore, but it's still very relevant, and the only place where you will find decent rts, mmo's, many niche titles and genres (eg: Paradox's ultra complex "hearts of iron" and "europa universalis" series), mods, free games etc.

Besides, for the sake of everyone, you better hope that PC gaming doesn't die. PC gamers are the reason for pushing down the prices on the components that are used in consoles (esp 360). The next gen of consoles wouldn't be looking pretty if there was no pc market to keep pushing newer and better video cards (pc GPU's are now are generations ahead of the 7000 series used in the consoles) and thus making them cheaper to make. PC is also leads the way in innovation. Want to see a console of the future? get a pc. Mods, a majority shift to digital downloads, epic mmo's: these are the kinds of things you will see in the next gen of consoles just like the xbox 1 and ps2 generation would soon fall away to offer systems that would be online centric, with digital marketplaces and loads of multi-player gaming. PC gaming is a hard platform to judge with so many factors (the digital downloads being the most difficult, as no sales info is given out), but it's far from dead, and is still the best gaming platform with the most games by a mile, imo. I have a ps3 and have owned an xbox360, but they are barely touched to the point where I've set my ps3 up as a blu-ray player elsewhere in the house.

 

[Play by Numbers]

In 2007 world PC game software sales totaled 11.7 billion.

Conversely all console/handheld sales totaled 14.1 billion.

No individual console comes close in terms of revenue so I am not sure how you think PC gaming will not exist in 5 years r dub 19?

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2008/06/17/computer_vs_the_console/

These also do not take into account online sales which have been rapidly increasing year after year. Representing a further 1.9 billion in 2007.

The global trend has actually been an increase in sales for PC gaming software it was North American sales which were on the decline for a couple of years but then again began to increase.

 

[Equus]

Not to mention all the torrents that you can use to download PC games.

 

[Kerrby]

Not to mention all the torrents that you can use to download PC games.

And 360 games.

No piracy on the PS3 .

 

[r dub 19]

In 2007 world PC game software sales totaled 11.7 billion.

Conversely all console/handheld sales totaled 14.1 billion.

No individual console comes close in terms of revenue so I am not sure how you think PC gaming will not exist in 5 years r dub 19?

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2008/06/17/computer_vs_the_console/

These also do not take into account online sales which have been rapidly increasing year after year. Representing a further 1.9 billion in 2007.

The global trend has actually been an increase in sales for PC gaming software it was North American sales which were on the decline for a couple of years but then again began to increase.

If you are going to post statistics and information at least do the most recent ones such as :


"Laptop PCs are expected to continue to generate double digit increases in units and revenue in 2009," the CEA said. "Desktops will experience declines in both units and revenue."
The ratio of laptop PC sales to desktop PC sales is expected to continue to widen this year with 63 percent of the computers sold in 2009 expected to be laptops, the CEA said. It said that in 2005, the ratio of desktop PC unit sales to laptop PC unit sales was 58 percent to 42 percent. "

"The global decline will be due to a projected 31.9% slump in desktop shipments to 101.4 million units. Laptops and other mobile PCs are seen posting 9% growth to 155.6 million amid a near doubling for mini-notebooks, a still-small segment of the computing world at just 8% of projected 2009 computer shipments."

I realise that PC gaming is strong but the fact is the PC has peaked in it's product life cycle. As the information above shows that more people are inclined to buy laptops and this is going to continue to happen. On top of this PC games are the most pirated. If you believe that companies are going to ignore this information you are dreaming.

 

[Forrest Gimp]

If you are going to post statistics and information at least do the most recent ones such as :


"Laptop PCs are expected to continue to generate double digit increases in units and revenue in 2009," the CEA said. "Desktops will experience declines in both units and revenue."
The ratio of laptop PC sales to desktop PC sales is expected to continue to widen this year with 63 percent of the computers sold in 2009 expected to be laptops, the CEA said. It said that in 2005, the ratio of desktop PC unit sales to laptop PC unit sales was 58 percent to 42 percent. "

"The global decline will be due to a projected 31.9% slump in desktop shipments to 101.4 million units. Laptops and other mobile PCs are seen posting 9% growth to 155.6 million amid a near doubling for mini-notebooks, a still-small segment of the computing world at just 8% of projected 2009 computer shipments."

I realise that PC gaming is strong but the fact is the PC has peaked in it's product life cycle. As the information above shows that more people are inclined to buy laptops and this is going to continue to happen. On top of this PC games are the most pirated. If you believe that companies are going to ignore this information you are dreaming.

You do realise that many people play games on their laptops, right? Loads of laptops come with graphics cards that are as good as the one found in the consoles. And yes, pirating is bad, but it hasn't gotten any worse over the past few years and services like Steam with their constant sales encourage
people to pay for their games. The fact that it is a huge success should give some hints as to where PC gaming is going. No-one is ignoring piracy.

Bottom line is this: Why does the PC continue to receive more 360 ports than the ps3, on top of all the mmo's (the upcoming "the old republic" is likely to be the most expensive game ever made - pc exclusive), big budget rts games (starcraft 2, dawn of war 2, empire/napoleon total war) and is the first choice for 1st class independent games like Torchwood, Trials, Killing Floor and Zeno Clash? All of these have become big hits, one has hit xbox live and one is going to in a couple of months. Both will be 1 year late.

And this is besides the fact that the numbers you quoted for pc being sold dwarfed console sales many times over, or the fact that many, many pc gamers would never even touch a pre-built PC and prefer to build their own, which those numbers would show no reference to. There is no "product life cycle" for a pc, it is ongoing. You can still take your hardware today and run an o/s, programs and games from 1980 if you want, so the idea of a product cycle is something that can only be applied to console gaming.

 

[r dub 19]

[/B][/B].[/B] And yes, pirating is bad, but it hasn't gotten any worse over the past few years and services like Steam with their constant sales encourage
people to pay for their games. The fact that it is a huge success should give some hints as to where PC gaming is going. No-one is ignoring piracy.

Bottom line is this: Why does the PC continue to receive more 360 ports than the ps3, on top of all the mmo's (the upcoming "the old republic" is likely to be the most expensive game ever made - pc exclusive), big budget rts games (starcraft 2, dawn of war 2, empire/napoleon total war) and is the first choice for 1st class independent games like Torchwood, Trials, Killing Floor and Zeno Clash? All of these have become big hits, one has hit xbox live and one is going to in a couple of months. Both will be 1 year late.

And this is besides the fact that the numbers you quoted for pc being sold dwarfed console sales many times over, or the fact that many, many pc gamers would never even touch a pre-built PC and prefer to build their own, which those numbers would show no reference to. There is no "product life cycle" for a pc, it is ongoing. You can still take your hardware today and run an o/s, programs and games from 1980 if you want, so the idea of a product cycle is something that can only be applied to console gaming.

I'm not denying laptops, I am talking about desktop PC's.

Bottom line is that the market for desktop PC's is declining, you cannot deny that.

 

[Valentino Dmitri]

I realise that PC gaming is strong but the fact is the PC has peaked in it's product life cycle. As the information above shows that more people are inclined to buy laptops and this is going to continue to happen. On top of this PC games are the most pirated. If you believe that companies are going to ignore this information you are dreaming.

isn't that a bit like saying cars' product life cycle peaked a few years ago, when there were more cars per licensed driver than any other time in history?

it's not really the same thing as, say, an xbox, which does have a product cycle, in that it is going to be replaced by another console in a few years...

 

[Forrest Gimp]

I'm not denying laptops, I am talking about desktop PC's.

Bottom line is that the market for desktop PC's is declining, you cannot deny that.

To the point where it affects pc gaming? how? If laptops are able to play games as well, what is your point?

 

[r dub 19]

isn't that a bit like saying cars' product life cycle peaked a few years ago, when there were more cars per licensed driver than any other time in history?

it's not really the same thing as, say, an xbox, which does have a product cycle, in that it is going to be replaced by another console in a few years...

You could say that. What major competiton do cars have though? public transport,motorbikes/bikes? PC for personal/gaming use can be easily replaced. PC doesn't even have a game in the top 10 for sales this year...

 

[r dub 19]

To the point where it affects pc gaming? how? If laptops are able to play games as well, what is your point?

That desktops are going to be barely used for personal/gaming use in 5 years time?

 

[Forrest Gimp]

That desktops are going to be barely used for personal/gaming use in 5 years time?

As I already pointed out, most gamers on pc (non casuals) build their own pc's, hence those figures don't mean much when it comes to pc gaming. And PC gaming is PC gaming, laptop or desktop.

 

[Forrest Gimp]

You could say that. What major competiton do cars have though? public transport,motorbikes/bikes? PC for personal/gaming use can be easily replaced. PC doesn't even have a game in the top 10 for sales this year...

The majority of PC games are sold via digital distribution ala Steam, d2d, gamersgate etc. And yes, PC's can be replaced...by other PC's. That's not a cycle, it's ongoing.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Well.... yes quite.

The PS3 had more quality titles which is why it rated higher on average.

There's two ways to looks at it, the overall higher scores of the PS3 exclusives are higher individually (Uncharted 2 - 96, LittleBIGPlanet - 95 etc), or you could just go by MetaCritic naming PS3 gaming console of the year from the averages this year .

Oh, you're only talking about 2009.

Overall, 2009 wasn't a great year for gaming, however it was a very strong year for the PS3. Overall the 360 still has alot more games than the PS3 and will build on that this year with a much stronger lineup of titles.

Edit: Also, I wouldn't call PC gaming dead - http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2010/

 

[Suspense]

Yep, games like Final Fantasy XIII having to be trimmed down .

1 disc vs 3 discs. I wonder what I'd prefer (RE: Final Fantasy XIII and Star Ocean IV )....

I really enjoy the Xbox 360 so far, but I'll be getting a PS3 for FFXIII. NEED my uncompressed audio...

 

[Kerrby]

Oh, you're only talking about 2009.

Overall, 2009 wasn't a great year for gaming, however it was a very strong year for the PS3. Overall the 360 still has alot more games than the PS3 and will build on that this year with a much stronger lineup of titles.

Edit: Also, I wouldn't call PC gaming dead - http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2010/

Really? 360 exclusives are going to top PS3 this year?

PS3:
Heavy Rain, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIV, Quantum Theory, MAG, DC Universe Online, Agent, The Agency, ModNation Racers, The Last Guardian, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, LA Noir (Still an exclusive as far as we know), White Knight Chronicles 2, Yakuza 4, Yazuka 3 (English release), White Knight Chronicles (English release), 3D Dot Game Heroes (English release), Motion Controller games such as Ape Escape and 12 other games.

Xbox 360:
Halo.....

 

[HBK619]

Really? 360 exclusives are going to top PS3 this year?

PS3:
Heavy Rain, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIV, Quantum Theory, MAG, DC Universe Online, Agent, The Agency, ModNation Racers, The Last Guardian, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, LA Noir (Still an exclusive as far as we know), White Knight Chronicles 2, Yakuza 4, Yazuka 3 (English release), White Knight Chronicles (English release), 3D Dot Game Heroes (English release), Motion Controller games such as Ape Escape and 12 other games.

Xbox 360:
Halo.....

Just a couple of things there Kerrby. It is Final Fantasy Vs XIII that is the exclusive. Quantum Theory is going to be on the 360.

The 360's exclusive list for 2010 is a ****load stronger than this year (which was by far the worst yet and bordered on pathetic). Alan Wake and Metro 2033 are the one's I'd look forward to most, could probably add in Mass Effect 2, but I don't know what the first is like so got nothing to go on.

There's a few other games to like but IMHO it does still pale in comparison to the massive hitters of GT5, GoW3, Heavy Rain and The Last Guardian on the PS3.

 

[Kerrby]

Just a couple of things there Kerrby. It is Final Fantasy Vs XIII that is the exclusive. Quantum Theory is going to be on the 360.

The 360's exclusive list for 2010 is a ****load stronger than this year (which was by far the worst yet and bordered on pathetic). Alan Wake and Metro 2033 are the one's I'd look forward to most, could probably add in Mass Effect 2, but I don't know what the first is like so got nothing to go on.

There's a few other games to like but IMHO it does still pale in comparison to the massive hitters of GT5, GoW3, Heavy Rain and The Last Guardian on the PS3.

I meant timed exclusive with Final Fantasy XIII, 360 won't see that until 2011 at the very earliest.

Also oops, looks like as of last month Quantum Theory is no longer a PS3 exclusive.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Really? 360 exclusives are going to top PS3 this year?

PS3:
Heavy Rain, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIV, Quantum Theory, MAG, DC Universe Online, Agent, The Agency, ModNation Racers, The Last Guardian, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, LA Noir (Still an exclusive as far as we know), White Knight Chronicles 2, Yakuza 4, Yazuka 3 (English release), White Knight Chronicles (English release), 3D Dot Game Heroes (English release), Motion Controller games such as Ape Escape and 12 other games.

Xbox 360:
Halo.....

Heavy Rain - Looks like a great movie with random QTE's.
God of War III - Looks good but so does Dantes Inferno and Bayonetta which are the same types of games.
Gran Turismo 5 - Been a long time coming, but the 360 has Forza 3.
Final Fantasy XIII - How many years out are you here? It's on 360 as well. It is already on PS3 in Japan, but it's only in Japanese and was released in 09, so couldn't be counted as an '10 exclusive anyway. Not that I'd care about a crappy weaboo JRPG series that has been declining in quality for the last several installments.
Final Fantasy XIV - See what I said above about crappy JRPG's and whatnot.
Quantum Theory - Get your facts straight, on 360.
.....blah, blah, blah alot of stuff there I doubt will be released this year or will be mediocre. Where did you hear KZ3 would be released this year?

 

[HBK619]

God of War III - Looks good but so does Dantes Inferno and Bayonetta which are the same types of games.

As good as Dante's Inferno might be (and I am liking it). It will have absolutely nothing on God of War 3. Way off there Biggy. A similar game hardly means you've got a ready made replacement, especially since God of War 3 will be of the absolute highest possible quality.

Bayonetta has already been said to be a DMC like game, not GoW.

Let's not forget too that you could quite easily say the same about the entire 360 exclusive list for 2010 if we're going to use "similar" games.

 

[Kerrby]

What's the big list of 360 exclusives that's going to top the PS3s?

Another HALO, the Alan Wake game that has been delayed for the last four years which seems like all you do is use your flashlight and Mass Effect 2?

Meh.