Should the AFL market the game as Football?

[HawkMongrel]

Source?

That's what your first sentence is suggesting buddy.

 

[cos789]

The Age stills calls it "soccer" but its stablemate the SMH has it as "football".

Do a digital search on the SMH and you will find Australian Football listed under the heading "Football".
Soccer was listed under the heading "British Association Football".

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[Footy_Tiger]

Curious terminology. They play with an object named a football, but they rarely ever kick it. So why "foot-ball" I'll never know.

Yeah same goes for rugby. My mates always get pissed off when I call their stupid rugby sport "handball".
Makes me laugh though

 

[JackFlash]

I think the FFA/A-League is actually 'winning' as most media outlets refer to Associational Football as "Football" and Australian Football as "AFL" (and that's even for VFL news - "I play AFL in the VFL"?).

Media outlets have been asked to refer to it as football by the A league marketing people. It just confuses the issue, but then again i'm older and i grew up with football here in Australia and that football was Australian Rules Football. Just call Soccer... Soccer FFS so we can differentiate the codes. It's one thing the Americans have actually done right. The AFL stands for The Australian Football League, what does the A- League mean? They should be the Australian Soccer League (ASL)

 

[HawkMongrel]

Media outlets have been asked to refer to it as football by the A league marketing people. It just confuses the issue, but then again i'm older and i grew up with football here in Australia and that football was Australian Rules Football. Just call Soccer... Soccer FFS so we can differentiate the codes. It's one thing the Americans have actually done right. The AFL stands for The Australian Football League, what does the A- League mean? They should be the Australian Soccer League (ASL)

Quick, change the league name because some bogan from Geelong doesn't like his precious little mind being confused!!!

 

[MISFITS]

With the further expansion of Football into Queensland and NSW, Football has been marketed as AFL, especially with Rugby fans and Soccer fans referring to Football as AFL, but the game isnt called AFL, its called Football, or Australian Football.

Australian Soccer branded themselves as football 7-8 years ago and it failed miserably costing them millions and alienating Football and Rugby supporters from soccer and still 99% of Australia calls it soccer.

With the failings of Australian Soccer, should Football be marketed as AFL? or has the AFL done the right thing marketing Football as AFL to appeal more the states where Football isnt the dominate code?

Since the inauguation of Aussie rules football back in 1859, there was reference to 2 forms of football.
Aussie Rules....(AFL today)
and English Rules(Rugby Union)

In our countrry's short history our game was deliberately developed as a local game.

Every English settler or Irish minor picked up a football and decided which game that they wanted to play.

Aussie rules is our game.
and our name, keep it that way!

 

[JackFlash]

Quick, change the league name because some bogan from Geelong doesn't like his precious little mind being confused!!!

Fascinating reply by a complete moron. It's simple dickhead, you have the AFL which is the Australian Football League, the game has been called football here for over 150 years, we have always traditionally called the round ball game Soccer to differentiate from the local and dominant game in Australia. The NRL call their game football to differentiate from what is true rugby (Rugby Union) So get out your crayon and write this down flemwad.
AFL = Australian Football League
Soccer should = Australian Soccer League (again i ask, what does A League mean?)
NRL = National Rugby League

Jesus, even those idiots in Sydney know how to get their terminology right!
The funny thing is the word Soccer is actually an English nickname (derived from Association) to differentiate from the Rugby codes back in the 19th century.
We live in Australia and we are unique in that we have our own game alongside those imported from Britain and just like the Americans with their NFL we should refer to the round game always as SOCCER!

 

[Gibbke]

Did you play for a football club or an "Australian Rules Football" club ?

Even in NSW and Qld people play for "football" clubs and "football" leagues.
People go out and play "football". It only becomes neccessary to add "Australian" when discussing outside of the closed football environment and down in Tasmania that wouldn't have been neccessary.

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Never referred to a club as anything but xxxFC, if we put the FC on at all. In Hobart, some of the clubs call themselves xxxDFC, which might stand for Glenorchy District Football Club, but that's the only variation. We played a sport we called Australian Rules football...

I feel like such a heathen...

 

[||-GOB-||]

Have to wonder at the whitewashing of history that happens with AFL...

First it was Melbourne Rules football
Then it was Victorian Rules football
Then it was Australian Rules football/Aussie Rules
Now some people want to call it Australian football

What next, shall we call it Southern Hemisphere football? Earthball?

Just fyi:
Rugby league football has called itself rugby league football since 1895. It will be calling itself rugby league football in 2095.
Changing the name to try and improve the look of the game does nothing but please some of the existing fans and confuse the people who don't follow it...

AFL = Australian Football League
Soccer should = Australian Soccer League (again i ask, what does A League mean?)
NRL = National Rugby League

Jesus, even those idiots in Sydney know how to get their terminology right!

The NRL was a compromise name between the ARL and Super League competitions, which ran in competition with each other in 1990's.

If you're going to rant you should at least learn the basics.

 

[JackFlash]

Have to wonder at the whitewashing of history that happens with AFL...

First it was Melbourne Rules football
Then it was Victorian Rules football
Then it was Australian Rules football/Aussie Rules
Now some people want to call it Australian football

What next, shall we call it Southern Hemisphere football? Earthball?

Just fyi:
Rugby league football has called itself rugby league football since 1895. It will be calling itself rugby league football in 2095.
Changing the name to try and improve the look of the game does nothing but please some of the existing fans and confuse the people who don't follow it...


The NRL was a compromise name between the ARL and Super League competitions, which ran in competition with each other in 1990's.

If you're going to rant you should at least learn the basics.

And they got it right! The NRL can call it Football all they want, i am not disagreeing with you, i actually gave you Sydney pin heads some credit. I know all about the basics and have forgotten more than you will learn in a lifetime.
This is exactly the problem, if i had used the term football associated with the NRL alongside Soccer, that now wants to call itself football here in Australia, alongside the Australian Football League.. do you see where we are going here? it's a rollercaster with no stops.

 

[____]

No, there is a sport called football that markets itself as football, and rightfully so. The AFL should market Australian Football as Australian Football or Aussie Rules, the ACTUAL names of the sport!

Even this website acknowledges that the sport that this website is about it called Australian Football and the round ball game is called football. Hence the forum of the round ball game in Australia on this site is called FOOTBALL Australia, not Soccer Australia. Even Vlad and co accept that the sport this website is about is officially called Australian Football, not football (and another link to back up the facts can be found here). The International Olympic Committee has football listed as football, not association football or soccer, anyone who argues with the International Olympic Committee over the name of a sport is an idiot. Also the game is run by the FOOTBALL Federation Australia, just like how Cricket is run by Cricket Australia, Hockey by Hockey Australia, Rugby Union is run by the Australian Rugby Union and so on...

Also before some idiot goes on about the "This is Australia" rubbish, I will point out that...
The FoxSports.com.AU site has football listed as football.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/
theroar.com.AU has football listed as football.
http://www.theroar.com.au/
Alpha when they were publishing has football listed as football
The AUSTRALIAN has football listed as football
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport
The majority of 'Football in Australia' links on Google.com.AU are football
https://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=13&gs_id=1f&xhr=t&q=football in australia&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=football in a&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=c33d18147f5082cc&biw=1366&bih=643
Sportal has football listed as football
http://www.sportal.com.au/
The AUSTRALIAN Broadcasting Corporation sports site has football listed as football
http://www.abc.net.au/news/sport/
You can call it soccer if you want but people who don't live under a gigantic rock (yes that includes Australians) will call it football. Even Australia officially recognises it as football now, hence why its run by the FOOTBALL Federation Australia, and no, I do not care about what it was called 10 years ago (it's 2012, not 2002) or if the national team nickname is called the Socceroos (would be like arguing that rugby union is called Walla because the national team is known as the "Wallabies"). FOOTBALL Federation Australia, Adelaide United FOOTBALL Club, need I go on...

And Puddy , you still haven't responded to my post on the other thread. Try addressing my points since you started this silly thread and always spout out rubbish.

I'm a Lions member, go to every home game and I call the round ball game 'football', just like anyone who isn't narrow minded. Heck I know a guy who is also a Lions member, probably way more fanatical than I am, goes to every home game as well, has been a member way longer than I have and even he calls the round ball game 'football'. If you ask me of him for a favourite sport, my answer and his answer would be 'Aussie Rules' or Australian Football' Why? Because it is the ACTUAL name of the sport.

You still haven't addressed why all the sports websites I provided, which ARE AUSTRALIAN, call it FOOTBALL, not soccer. You also have not addressed why the INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE calls it FOOTBALL. If you argue with the IOC about the name of the sport, then you clearly are a muppet. Also you have not addressed why this section of an Aussie Rules website is called FOOTBALL Australia, not Soccer Australia.

Also if 99% of Australians call it soccer, why do you have to put 'Adel.Utd.SOCCER club' in your other teams section, when you clearly know the actual name is the Adelaide United FOOTBALL Club? If 99% of Australians live under a rock and still call it soccer, you wouldn't have to do that, would you?

I look forward to you backing up your argument with actual evidence, instead of spouting out rubbish because you know you are wrong.

 

[fabulousphil]

Have to wonder at the whitewashing of history that happens with AFL...

First it was Melbourne Rules football
Then it was Victorian Rules football
Then it was Australian Rules football/Aussie Rules
Now some people want to call it Australian football

What next, shall we call it Southern Hemisphere football? Earthball?

Just fyi:
Rugby league football has called itself rugby league football since 1895. It will be calling itself rugby league football in 2095.
Changing the name to try and improve the look of the game does nothing but please some of the existing fans and confuse the people who don't follow it...


The NRL was a compromise name between the ARL and Super League competitions, which ran in competition with each other in 1990's.

If you're going to rant you should at least learn the basics.

Still trolling on a site about Australian football, when you don't even like or follow the game, that's pretty patheteic.

BTW the name Australian football has been the official name of our indigenous game for over 100 years, probably before RL was even imported from England to this country.

Considering prior to 1901 Australia did not exist, but was six separate British self governing states, it seems it would have been hard to name a sport Australian.

Another thing to consider is that the Melbourne Football club was the club that wrote the initial rules, so its stands to reason to call it Melbourne Rules, just like the Rugby school did.

You were wrong about AFL mechandise, wrong about Birchgrove Oval , and who knows how many other things you have been wrong in relation to Australian football.

It seems you are a serial lurker

And just to further add on NSW and it's mummy apron strings to everything British, here are the votingpattern of Australian to federate.

NSW loves it's apron strings to mother England ... and of course it's rugby.

referendum NSW Qld SA Tas Vic WA total
1898 yes 71,595 35,800 11,797 100,520 219,712
no 66,228 17,320 2,716 22,099 108,363
1899 yes 107,420 38,488 65,900 13,437 152,653 377,898
no 82,741 30,996 17,953 791 9,805 142,286
1900 yes 44,800 44,800
no 19,691 19,691

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Australia

Graph is very hard to read but in short NSW voted 71, 595 to Federate, 66,228 to stay with mother England, by contrast Victoria voted 152, 653 to Federate whilst only 9,805 voted No.

And people wonder why NSW is considered by many to be the odd man out in this country.

 

[SJ]

No, there is a sport called football that markets itself as football, and rightfully so. The AFL should market Australian Football as Australian Football or Aussie Rules, the ACTUAL names of the sport!

No there isn't. There is no sport officially known as "football".

You also have not addressed why the INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE calls it FOOTBALL. If you argue with the IOC about the name of the sport, then you clearly are a muppet.

You have not addressed why the governing body of the code (FIFA) names the sport as Association Football. If you argue with the governing body about the name of the sport, then what are you?

 

[cos789]

Never referred to a club as anything but xxxFC, if we put the FC on at all. In Hobart, some of the clubs call themselves xxxDFC, which might stand for Glenorchy District Football Club, but that's the only variation. We played a sport we called Australian Rules football......

If you played in football clubs and football leagues then you played football what ever you thought you were playing. All the Tasmanians I've talked to all refer to football as football it.
Why would they not?

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[cos789]

Still trolling on a site about Australian football, when you don't even like or follow the game, that's pretty patheteic.

BTW the name Australian football has been the official name of our indigenous game for over 100 years, probably before RL was even imported from England to this country.

It was simply "football" for a very long time - football clubs, football leagues, football in the media.
The NSWFL was formed in 1903 5 years before the NSWRL was formed in 1908 and is still titled as such.

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Another thing to consider is that the Melbourne Football club was the club that wrote the initial rules, so its stands to reason to call it Melbourne Rules, just like the Rugby school did.

But it was never officially. It was always football as played in Melbourne, Victoria, South Australia etc.
Before federation it was commmonly referred to as "Colonial Football" as football played throughout the colonies of Australia and New Zealand. Britain came out and engaged the colonies in games of both Rugby and "Colonial rules".

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[cos789]

look forward to you backing up your argument with actual evidence, instead of spouting out rubbish because you know you are wrong.

You've done a lot of work that proves absolutely nothing.
The official name of a sport is what stands.
Since day one clubs playing football have been football clubs playing in football leagues and referred to in the media as "football". From day one in Australia, soccer has been referred to Association football and later to soccer. We refer to football as Australian Football these days only because we live in a global village.
The head of the global village for soccer FIFA refers to it's game as association football.
Why should we be any different?

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[fabulousphil]

You've done a lot of work that proves absolutely nothing.
The official name of a sport is what stands.
Since day one clubs playing football have been football clubs playing in football leagues and referred to in the media as "football". From day one in Australia, soccer has been referred to Association football and later to soccer. We refer to football as Australian Football these days only because we live in a global village.
The head of the global village for soccer FIFA refers to it's game as association football.
Why should we be any different?

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Well, actually for quite a long while soccer was referred to as British assoc football in this country, and as most people do, they shorten everything ....hence soccer.

 

[||-GOB-||]

BTW the name Australian football has been the official name of our indigenous game for over 100 years, probably before RL was even imported from England to this country.

Considering prior to 1901 Australia did not exist, but was six separate British self governing states, it seems it would have been hard to name a sport Australian.

Another thing to consider is that the Melbourne Football club was the club that wrote the initial rules, so its stands to reason to call it Melbourne Rules, just like the Rugby school did.

You were wrong about AFL mechandise, wrong about Birchgrove Oval , and who knows how many other things you have been wrong in relation to Australian football.

It seems you are a serial lurker

And just to further add on NSW and it's mummy apron strings to everything British, here are the votingpattern of Australian to federate.

NSW loves it's apron strings to mother England ... and of course it's rugby.

referendum NSW Qld SA Tas Vic WA total
1898 yes 71,595 35,800 11,797 100,520 219,712
no 66,228 17,320 2,716 22,099 108,363
1899 yes 107,420 38,488 65,900 13,437 152,653 377,898
no 82,741 30,996 17,953 791 9,805 142,286
1900 yes 44,800 44,800
no 19,691 19,691

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Australia

Graph is very hard to read but in short NSW voted 71, 595 to Federate, 66,228 to stay with mother England, by contrast Victoria voted 152, 653 to Federate whilst only 9,805 voted No.

And people wonder why NSW is considered by many to be the odd man out in this country.

Just to reply in point form so I don't waste too much time on you:

- 'Australian football' has never been the official name of the game. Even today it is officially called Australian rules football. You even contradicted yourself by saying it was earlier called Melbourne rules football...

- Australia the continent existed prior to 1901. Not knowing this seems like a bit of a worry...

- In the merchandise thread you're objecting to an AFL report posted by another user, nothing to do with me. Not sure what you're on about in the Birchgrove Oval thread but once again it was the AFL which reduced the numbers. In both cases your feud seems to lie with the AFL itself, not with me.

If you've got nothing interesting to reply with then maybe it's best not to post at all.

 

[fabulousphil]

Just to reply in point form so I don't waste too much time on you:

- 'Australian football' has never been the official name of the game. Even today it is officially called Australian rules football. You even contradicted yourself by saying it was earlier called Melbourne rules football...

- Australia the continent existed prior to 1901. Not knowing this seems like a bit of a worry...

- In the merchandise thread you're objecting to an AFL report posted by another user, nothing to do with me. Not sure what you're on about in the Birchgrove Oval thread but once again it was the AFL which reduced the numbers. In both cases your feud seems to lie with the AFL itself, not with me.

If you've got nothing interesting to reply with then maybe it's best not to post at all.

Are you for real, no !!, you can't be, officially the game is called Australian Football, seriously what a dill you are.

Thats 3 big blunders you have made, you would think a half smart troll would get at least some facts right.

Seriously, how wrong can one person be

Australian rules football, officially known as Australian football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football

BTW the NSWAFL never lied about participation numbers, but good try, but it seems the SMH RL sribes sure lied about the NSWAFL wanting Birchgrove oval.

 

[SJ]

Just to reply in point form so I don't waste too much time on you:

- 'Australian football' has never been the official name of the game. Even today it is officially called Australian rules football. You even contradicted yourself by saying it was earlier called Melbourne rules football...

- Australia the continent existed prior to 1901. Not knowing this seems like a bit of a worry...

- In the merchandise thread you're objecting to an AFL report posted by another user, nothing to do with me. Not sure what you're on about in the Birchgrove Oval thread but once again it was the AFL which reduced the numbers. In both cases your feud seems to lie with the AFL itself, not with me.

If you've got nothing interesting to reply with then maybe it's best not to post at all.

http://www.afl.com.au/development/aflexplained/about/tabid/13532/default.aspx#title

Australian Football (Official title of the code)
Whether it is called Australian Football, Australian Rules Football, "Aussie Rules", the VFL, the AFL, Australia's only indigenous football code is officially entitled 'Australian football'. It has never been officially referred to as 'Australian rules football'. Such terminology has only ever appeared in the form of football journalism, coined by different writers.
AFL refers to the elite Australian football competition known as the Australian Football League.

http://www.afl.com.au/development/aflexplained/about/tabid/13532/default.aspx#title

 

[fabulousphil]

http://www.afl.com.au/development/aflexplained/about/tabid/13532/default.aspx#title

http://www.afl.com.au/development/aflexplained/about/tabid/13532/default.aspx#title

It has been the official name for over 100 years, thanks, i had a quick look on the AFL site , but could not find it.

I say don't ban this gob, he is seriously good for a laugh

 

[fabulousphil]

So, just to revisit Gobs claim that the AFL is whitewashing history.

Gob claims that the game has never officially been called Australian football, yet this link from the AFL clearly makes him 100% wrong.

Australian Football (Official title of the code)​

Whether it is called Australian Football, Australian Rules Football, "Aussie Rules", the VFL, the AFL, Australia's only indigenous football code is officially entitled 'Australian football'. It has never been officially referred to as 'Australian rules football'. Such terminology has only ever appeared in the form of football journalism, coined by different writers.​

AFL refers to the elite Australian football competition known as the Australian Football League.​

When the game was known as Melbourne Rules, or Victorian rules, Australia was not even a country but 6 separate self governing British colonies, operating as separate countries. Would have been some sort of genius to name a sport after a country that yet did not exist.

And FWIW it appears by the voting patterns for Federation that NSW did not want to relinquish mother Englands apron strings, rugby and all.

NSW voted 71, 595 to Federate, 66,228 to stay with mother England, by contrast Victoria voted 152, 653 to Federate whilst only 9,805 voted No.

 

[____]

No there isn't. There is no sport officially known as "football".

You have not addressed why the governing body of the code (FIFA) names the sport as Association Football. If you argue with the governing body about the name of the sport, then what are you?

Don't argue with me, argue with the INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE and FOOTBALL FEDERATION AUSTRALIA. Honestly you sound like my Canadian friend who claims hockey is called "field hockey", while ice hockey is "hockey". Of course the International Olympic Committee has "field" hockey listed as hockey and ice hockey listed as ice hockey, therefore hockey is hockey and ice hockey is ice hockey, just like how "Association" football is football, Australian football is Australian football, American football is American football and Gaelic Football is Gaelic Football. Not exactly rocket science is it?

You've done a lot of work that proves absolutely nothing.

I'm the one who actually backs up my statements here, you haven't.

The official name of a sport is what stands.

Yes I agree, and that is why the INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE has "Association" football as football, "field" hockey as hockey and ice hockey as ice hockey. If Australian Football was an Olympic sport, it would be listed as Australian Football. Take it to them if you disagree with me.

Since day one clubs playing football have been football clubs playing in football leagues and referred to in the media as "football".

That I agree as well, Football Association, Football League, Football Federation Australia, Scottish Football Association, Japan Football Association, Manchester United Football Club, Liverpool Football Club, Chelsea Football Club, Everton Football Club, Brisbane Roar Football Club etc, etc.

Well, actually for quite a long while soccer was referred to as British assoc football in this country, and as most people do, they shorten everything ....hence soccer.

Do you actually have anything to back up that statement? Honestly never heard of that term.

 

[fabulousphil]

Do you actually have anything to back up that statement? Honestly never heard of that term.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45320698?searchTerm=british association football&searchLimits=

Go for your life thousands of links in old Australian newspapers that refer to soccer as British Association football all over this country.

Up untill and even after WW2

Generally it was called Bristish assoc football to distinguish it from Australian football, but also because obviously a huge amount of the players of the game were .....wait for it ....British !!.

After WW2 the game became more known as soccer, because of post WW2 migration, there were many players whom were not just British.

Here in Perth there is still an old sign up at Kingsway reserve which points to the direction of , and says British football field

 

[____]

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45320698?searchTerm=british association football&searchLimits=

Go for your life thousands of links in old Australian newspapers that refer to soccer as British Association football all over this country.

Up untill and even after WW2

Well played. But honestly never heard of "British Association Football" until today, only "Football", "Soccer", "The World Game", "The Beautiful Game" and once or twice outside this site "Association Football".