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After looking at the plans for the ground redevelopments, one can't help but feel impressed. Gone are the windswept rain chilled days of standing below the windsock on the outer wing. One particular standout memory was in 1980. 22000 punters turned up for the match against North. Howling winds and torrential rains meant that by half-time there would not have been more than (what seemed like) 50 people on the Moorabool St wing. Pity really as the Cats dominated, keeping North scoreless after half-time. These were the days of 10 home matches, with one match at Waverly.

Move forward 20 years and things are different. We're lucky if 8 matches are played at the ground, and these tend to be against team names that were non-existent back in the early 80's. Seats now dominate the wing and even they look like being replaced soon by the new stand.

The first match I ever saw was against Essendon at Kardinia Park. Geelong won by 7 points, but we had to leave midway through the last quarter. My dad wasn't much interested in footy or sport in general and wanted to avoid the crowds, but I was hooked and couldn't get enough. There was no possibility of something as extravagant as going to Melbourne to see a match. Soon enough though, I was going on my own, or rather with my friends, a band of 12 year olds. That was fine though. The ground was friendly enough and cheap enough for kids like me.

Which brings me back to the new plans. As a lifelong supporter and long-term member, I can't but feel that the plans have been delivered as a fait accompli. These plans affect not only the running of the club, but the way in which the club interacts with the community. It's doubtful the experiences I had as a kid may be possible for kids today. This puts the future of the club on the line, but it also puts Geelong into a subservient role within the football community. No longer will the people of Geelong be able to see certain other teams, such as Essendon or Collingwood as many supporters just won't travel to Melbourne to see matches. To me this is all very shortsighted and really does not take into account future likely trends.

For example, over the next 10-15 years, it's likely that 2 or 3 Victorian teams will no longer be with us. If interstate teams replace these teams, then that means that Geelong will probably only ever host non-Victorian teams. But what if these teams aren't replaced and the competition shrinks to 14 or 13 teams. These may be desirable to counter the over-exposure of football and reduce overall footy costs. In this scenario, even fewer matches would be held at KP, as the surviving Vic matches would be played at the G or at the Dome.

What I would like to have seen is the invitation to discussion of these plans, which are fundamental to the future of Geelong. Assess what the supporters think and then put a united plan forward. As it is, we are going with the plans of a bloke who wasn't even a Geelong supporter until a few years ago and who can never have the input of a lifelong Geelong supporter, although I think he is ideal as the arbitrator, simply because he is a bit detached.

I think there are a number of issues. For example limiting the crowd size to 28,000 is regrettable. This ensures that in the future, the matches against Collingwoods and Essendons won't be held in Geelong. This not only gives a tactical advantage to these clubs, but also diminishes the worth of the club to the local community. A packed 35000 at Kardinia Park is a more attractive spectacle than the half empty MCG that was the opening round of this season. It could also be a lot more profitable as well. If the club was to be able to say that a minimum of two matches against the bigger clubs be held in Geelong each year, then that may boost memberships in the local community by as much as 10,000. An extra million dollars wouldn't go astray at Geelong.

Much as the recent trend has been about holding as many matches as possible at 'super' stadiums, this has only been a trend. I suspect St Kilda wish that they had never been forced to leave Linton Street. The trend to bigger stadiums may wither as their costs are prohibitive and clubs give up tactical advantage by playing at them. It is also an idea that has not caught on in other sporting codes, which suggests that it is not an ideal scenario.

The future of the home ground of the club, which the administration has correctly pointed out, is the future of the team. However the long term strategy appears to be based upon the status quo of footy being maintained like that second half score of North's many years ago. North has changed a lot since then as has footy. But will Geelong have the necessary setup to keep changing?
 
A great topic Jim Boy!! :)

I tend to look at this as the first step in redeveloping our home ground to accomadate football at the highest level in the future.

Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, football has changed and no longer will Geelong host another "big" victorian club at Geelong for the simple reason that it's more attractive in the long term for Geelong to play matches in Melbourne, not only to accomate the Melbourne-based Cats fans who are a vital part of the Geelong Football Club's future, but also to give the club more exposure to a wider range of people around Melbourne/Metro area. Add to that the fact that finals are played at the MCG and the Telstra Dome and I can understand why we are doing what we're doing.

Go Cats!! :cool:
SeinDude
 
If the Re-Devalopment was to go ahead, should we bring in lights to play the odd night game in Geelong. That would bring the crowds out and be a real buzz for Geelong supporters. Even if we don't get lights installed, should we do what we did at the Legends' game where we had temperarly lights for just one game. It would be really good to have the one night game a year in Geelong. The crowds would flock and it would be a real buzz.

Anyway, great post Jim Boy. Totally agree with what you said!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack
 

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I guess what I was trying to say is 1/. The members and supporters should at least been invited to submit ideas, and ideally have some sort of say in how this is going to proceed. I don't know of any supporter group representations (i.e. the people who will use and pay towards the redevelopment). And 2/. Football changes and it changes a lot and rapidly. You can't rule out anything, not even a resumption of Geelong V Essendon matches at KP.

The dynamics of the new arena don't also seem to be carefully thought out. For example, there is a proposition for every adult to pay an extra $1.50 or $2 per match as a supplement. Well does that include pre-paid members? If so, how is the money collected, added on at subscription? I personally wouldn't like that as I can't attend matches and I think my membership, which essentially is a donation in terms of value, is quite enough contribution from me. And how do patrons, sitting in other parts of the ground feel about paying even more to upgrade an area they don't use? Especially when Kardinia Park is the most expensive AFL ground already (although positively cheap compared to Europe). Geelong is also aiming at getting 30,000 members. Can this be serious when the ground only holds 28,000?
 
I hear that Shell Stadium is going to be upgraded.
Which part do u all think will be next? I would suggest the Hickey Stand perhaps, how many people does it hold at the moment? And do you all think this attract people to your ground for games as it is not peoples faviourite ground to attend? Although when the freeway is complete you will probably see a few more opposition supporters attending games.

Also crongrats on making a profit in 2002! :D
 
Re: Re: Upgrade

Originally posted by JUBJUB


Build a new stand on the Moorabool St side of the ground.

Makes sence, but didn't they just put all that new seating in that area a few years ago? Double handling to me, should've been done when they re-developed that side of the ground hey.

As long as it's not costing the club money though, let them do what they want! ;)
 
Re: Re: Re: Upgrade

Originally posted by Sick Puppy
Makes sence, but didn't they just put all that new seating in that area a few years ago?
The seating now on the outter wing was put in for the start of the 1996 season; before was just the traditional standing room, with a few rows of the old wooden bench seats around the fence.

I'm only guessing, but had've Geelong not upgraded the outter side of the ground then, I don't doubt whether we'd still be playing here now.

Go Cats!!:)
catattack
 
Re: Re: Upgrade

Originally posted by JUBJUB
Build a new stand on the Moorabool St side of the ground.

That will make a huge difference with atmosphere around Skilled Stadium as noise seems to disappear in the outer with the current layout of the ground.

Go Cats!!
SeinDude
 
Government kicks $13.5m goal for Geelong
gfc.com.au
11:58:26 AM Fri 8 November, 2002

http://gfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=66549

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The Bracks Government today announced it would commit $13.5 million to redevelop Skilled Stadium as a valuable Geelong asset. The Minister for Commonwealth Games, Sport and Recreation, Justin Madden, said the decision would ensure Geelong is able to continue holding AFL games at Kardinia Park.

“Geelong’s prosperity goes arm-in-arm with the Cats playing home games at Skilled Stadium and now the future of both look much brighter due to this project proceeding,” Mr Madden said.

“As well as being a boost for football, refinements to the $26 million redevelopment will lift use of the stadium by the wider Geelong community.”

Mr Madden said a planned sports house and elite gym in better locations through revised designs would make the stadium and park more viable.

The redevelopment will be jointly funded by the Victorian Government, City of Greater Geelong, Geelong Football Club (GFC) and the AFL.

The Council will contribute $6 million, with Geelong Football Club kicking in $4.5 million and the AFL $2 million.

Finalisation of the redevelopment proposals follows an independent study funded jointly by the Victorian Government and City of Greater Geelong.

“The Cats have been a unique part of the region for more than a century and when they’re performing well that usually provides a lift for the whole of Geelong,” Mr Madden said.

“The study the first time has put a clear dollar figure on what the Cats contribute directly and indirectly to the region.

“Each year the club is responsible for around $10 million being injected into the local economy, so it was an easy decision for the Victorian Government to back this project.

“Every time the Cats play a home game in Geelong around $1.4 million in direct spending is generated within the region.”

Mr Madden said the construction project would provide a big boost to the Geelong economy, including local businesses with about 70 jobs created.

“All up, Victoria will benefit from the project to the tune of about $42 million,” he said.

The redevelopment will include:
- new Eastern Grandstand with 700-seat entertainment facility;
- a Geelong Sports House complex;
- new electronic scoreboard;
- elite training gymnasium for the region; and
- new stadium perimeter fencing plus improved landscaping.

The revised plans will r esult in a new ground capacity of 26,500, with 2000 more seats than are currently available.
 
Re: Re: Re: Upgrade

Originally posted by SeinDude
That will make a huge difference with atmosphere around Skilled Stadium as noise seems to disappear in the outer with the current layout of the ground.
I agree! I'm sick of the Geelong games in Geelong not having any atmosphere!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack
 
Originally posted by SeinDude
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Lol, not that it would be of much interest to people, but the blue and white checked flag on the right... i was waving that! LOL!!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack
 
Originally posted by SeinDude
The redevelopment will include:
- new Eastern Grandstand with 700-seat entertainment facility;
- a Geelong Sports House complex;
- new electronic scoreboard;
- elite training gymnasium for the region; and
- new stadium perimeter fencing plus improved landscaping.

The revised plans will r esult in a new ground capacity of 26,500, with 2000 more seats than are currently available.
The features sound really good!! I cannot wait until this is all finished in a few seasons! It will turn Skilled into a sensational stadium, and to have such a good one in Geelong would be an even better plus for the club, and the local sporting clubs!!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack
 

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Being a seat holder in the Eastern Terrace I think the new stand will improve the whole ground immeasurably. The atmosphere will be magnificent, a new screen etc will turn the ground into a first rate stadium. It will also ensure Geelong play in Geelong for many years to come, and that can only be a positive.
 
Stadium up-grade for benefit of whole community
Brian Cook
gfc.com.au
9:54:59 AM Fri 15 November, 2002

http://gfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=67092

I write in response to a number of letters in your paper relating to the re-development of Kardinia Park and Skilled Stadium.

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The club finds it surprising that your paper would run anonymous letters against this development, especially when one of those anonymous letters was published twice in the same week.

The tone of most of these letters, anonymous or otherwise, would suggest that somehow the City of Greater Geelong is giving the Geelong Football Club a cash hand-out of $6 million.

Nothing could be further from reality. The new stadium facility, which if it proceeds will be funded by the State Government, the AFL and this club as well as the COGG, will be one for the whole community.

It will contain facilities to be used by all the people of Geelong, not just footballers.

There will be a 700 seat banquet and conference facility so that the people of Geelong don't have to travel to Melbourne for major functions.

There will be a Sports House to contain the administrative homes of possibly 40 local sporting bodies.

There will be an elite gym for use by athletes from a wide range of sports.

The development will ensure the whole Kardinia Park precinct remains a premier recreational area for the people of Geelong, something first envisaged for the area as far back as 1872 when the then Commissioner for Crown Lands proclaimed about 60 acres of Chilwell Flat for public park purposes.

The Geelong Football Club is a relatively recent addition to the list of tenants of Kardinia Park, but we are a tenant that takes seriously the role of maintaining this area in the best interests of the city and the region we so proudly represent.

Research shows our city and region benefits greatly from the presence of our football club here. Each home game at Skilled Stadium is worth around $1.4 million to the local economy. At the moment that's about $12 million a year. Additionally, our club and its employees, including the footballers, spend a considerable amount of money with local businesses, regardless of whether those business-people barrack for the club.

We want to see Geelong continue to play as many home games as possible at Skilled Stadium. However, this won't happen if the stadium is not up to the standards of not just the AFL, but basic health and safety regulations.

At the moment, we are spending $1 million a year on maintenance while at the same time, the stadium continues to deteriorate.

As a club, we have worked hard to see this development proceed, but we have done that in partnership with a wide range of community groups and over a long period of time. The re-development was first mooted in 1999, when we put together our Stand Up and Fight Campaign.

The Geelong Football Club is proud of its place in the history of this town, the Bellarine Peninsula and the Western Districts. Over the past three to four years, the current administration has worked feverishly to ensure this club continues to exist in the AFL.

We have demonstrated enormous fiscal reponsibility. This year we will make a small profit of $307,000. This is the third year in a row we have announced a small profit while at the same reducing our debt from around $8 million to $1.9 million. Next March, that debt will come down another $600,000 when we make a further repayment to the Bengido Bank.

The current board members under Frank Costa now have a proven track record as prudent financial managers.

Under Frank Costa, the club also has a keen awareness of the responsibility to work with the broader community.

The re-development of Kardinia Park is part of that. We want this area to remain as a prime recreational place for the people of Geelong for at least another 130 years. That's why we are contributing our own funds to the re-development.

After proper analysis of the development, the State Government, the State Opposition and the AFL have also confirmed their determination to see it go ahead.

If the City of Greater Geelong decides to join in this partnership, your readers - regardless of for whom they barrack in the AFL - can be assured the funds will be used to provide them with a facility they can not only be proud of, but make regular use of, while at the same time guaranteeing a large financial return to the region.

Research suggests the financial return from the re-development will be around $100 million over the next 10 years. So any commitment to the up-grading of Kardinia Park/Skilled Stadium would seem more a case of sound investment in the future of Geelong than giving anyone a hand-out.

Yours faithfully,


Brian Cook
Chief Executive Officer
GEELONG FOOTBALL CLUB
 
I have no idea gocats, there hasn't been much said about the new plans for Skilled Stadium of late.
 
Originally posted by gocats
When is the redevelopment starting?

And how long will it take before it finishes and we get that great new stand?

There's a council meeting this tuesday night,where the council will most likely agree to put up $6 million [I think].
Work should start in October.
 
Re: Re: Redevelopment?

Originally posted by JUBJUB
There's a council meeting this tuesday night,where the council will most likely agree to put up $6 million [I think].
Work should start in October.

Will it finish before start of 2004.
 
Originally posted by JUBJUB
It should be done by the start of the 2005 season.

So where does that leave Geelong next season?? Will we be playing our home games in front of a reduced capacity or will we be playing them in Melbourne??
 
Originally posted by ScouseCat
So where does that leave Geelong next season?? Will we be playing our home games in front of a reduced capacity or will we be playing them in Melbourne??
Yes we will be playing games in Geelong.

I was talking to Stuart Fox at the GFC Pie Night a few months back, and he said that during the footy season, seating capacity will only drop by about 2,000 at the most, which I found staggering. We will still be playing home games in Geelong, but I can't quite remember if he said they were dropping the games in Geelong by one though.

Judging by that, most of the work will be done during the off-season.
 
We're currently playing 8 games at KP a year. If we have to sacrifice one next year, so be it because after the development is complete we can push for nine or ten a season.
 

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