Opinion So who is our next Wayne Carey? The guy that is a dominant force in the competition that leads us to our next Flag?

[Zondor]

I asked this question in the Rawling Thread. Specifically I asked "Who is that out and out gun you need to win you a premiership? A Martin. A Carey? A McKernan on our list?" And surprise, surprise the Sunshine, Lollipops, and Rainbows Brigade failed to answer. But in addition to that gun you need a solid list of very good players assisting that match winner. Look at our team in the 90's. Carey and even McKernan had Schwass and Pickett and Abraham etc etc. Guys who on their day could also win yah a game. :stern look

Currently Sheezel looks the goods. Yah couldn't have asked for a better first 2 years from the guy. I think McKercher has that skill set to be something special. He can break the lines and has skill. But from that point on "The Polish" on our list just aint there IMO. This is concerning. Sure LDU and Wardlaw look good but I'm not a big fan of either's kicking. In the Big Man Stakes, Larkey has proven that he can kick goals and Xerri had a very good 2024 but apart from those 2 the rest of the big guys do have question marks over them. :stern look

Now if we had kept JHF, Finished last in 2023 and snared Reid plus somehow retained Thomas I'd be a lot more bullish about our midfield at a minimum. For the pain that we have suffered have we maximised our return with the draft hands we have been afforded? :stern look

Anyway over to the NMFC BigFooty Faithful. What is your take? So who currently on our list will be the next Wayne Carey? Who will take the competition by storm and lead us to the promised land? And do we currently have the talent (Like Schwass etc) to aid that gun? Interested in your "Opinions". :stern look

 

[Hatchy1992]

LDU will stay and be that saviour.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Bailey Scott

 

[ferball]

Bailey Scott

Luke McDonald

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[Topparoo]

Ben McKay

 

[Waynesworld]

Liam Anthony

 

[Pravda Roo]

Luke McDonald

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Dis agree I was sitting on the David Boon Stand when he cost us against The Eagles

 

[Gasometer]

No one

 

[JGreezy]

We are absolutely stacked with potential and talent. If we develop it right then we'll be a powerhouse.

The fact that you didn't even mention Finn O'Sullivan or Zane Duursma says it all. Pretty much any other club's supporters would be head over heels for them. For us it's just like "oh well, another supremely talented top 5 pick", add them to the pile.

 

[Augustine]

Realistically none of them will reach Carey level.

I could see Sheezel getting (or perhaps surpassing!) Scott Pendlebury. That alone would pull us out of this mess.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Dis agree I was sitting on the David Boon Stand when he cost us against The Eagles

Sounds uncomfortable.

 

[spurs]

HS

 

[ferball]

Currently Sheezel looks the goods. Yah couldn't have asked for a better first 2 years from the guy. I think McKercher has that skill set to be something special. He can break the lines and has skill. But from that point on "The Polish" on our list just aint there IMO. This is concerning. Sure LDU and Wardlaw look good but I'm not a big fan of either's kicking. In the Big Man Stakes, Larkey has proven that he can kick goals and Xerri had a very good 2024 but apart from those 2 the rest of the big guys do have question marks over them. :stern look

We had five players in the AA squad of 40 for 2024 players who 22 and under, (HS, GW, McK, TP, PC.) Freo was next with four. That is the beginning of gun side.

All of our players under 24 have played less than 100 games but of them the five mentioned above plus Comben, Phillips, Goater, Archer. Even Ford, Bergman, RHJr and Hardeman have shown something at the level. Despite some of them playing less than ten games between them.

Wil Dawson, Whitlock and Goad are very young but have alot of potential.

Now if we had kept JHF, Finished last in 2023 and snared Reid plus somehow retained Thomas I'd be a lot more bullish about our midfield at a minimum. For the pain that we have suffered have we maximised our return with the draft hands we have been afforded? :stern look

Thomas is a huge loss. Wardlaw has shown more than JHF after two seasons, especially in terms of desire to compete. He's a better mid, not as good up forward.

I have seen Reid live and if you worry about LDU or Warlord's kicking Reid's will give you a seizure. He had five kicks and mangled four of them. His twelve touches that day were poor. If he hadn't taken an amazing mark you'd wonder what the fuss was about. McKercher was much better that day. Had three times as many possessions too.

Our draft hand since 2020 has seen us pick 9 players after pick 30, about average. All but two are still on the list. But we have 13 picks under 30 (not including JHF,) that is almost double the average for that period.

We had five from the previous five drafts.

Of those 13 picks ten are nominal first rounders (only pushed back by bid matching).

That's about as close to maximising our draft hand as you can get. Especially considering we haven't played finals since before Jy, Larkey and Zurhasr were drafted.

We may have had two or three more draft picks at the cost of Parker, Daniel, CCJ, Fisher and Stephens. But they'd have been later picks and in the case of the last two would have cost us Wil Dawson, Hardeman or both.








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[LB2Snake]

BGZ. End thread.

 

[Arthur Cloke]

Has Harry Sheezel already passed Carey? I read a lot of social media and there are a plethora of NM fans who would suggest that's the case.
Sheezel has already passed N Daicos. We know that.

Anyway, I'm happy with who we've got.

 

[ferball]

Realistically none of them will reach Carey level.

I could see Sheezel getting (or perhaps surpassing!) Scott Pendlebury. That alone would pull us out of this mess.

There are two or three players at Carey level, including him.

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[ferball]

Has Harry Sheezel already passed Carey? I read a lot of social media and there are a plethora of NM fans who would suggest that's the case.
Sheezel has already passed N Daicos. We know that.

Anyway, I'm happy with who we've got.

If Sheeze passes Carey then woo hoo.

Good call about Daicos tho.

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[hilly]

We had five players in the AA squad of 40 for 2024 players who 22 and under, (HS, GW, McK, TP, PC.) Freo was next with four. That is the beginning of gun side.

All of our players under 24 have played less than 100 games but of them the five mentioned above plus Comben, Phillips, Goater, Archer. Even Ford, Bergman, RHJr and Hardeman have shown something at the level. Despite some of them playing less than ten games between them.

Wil Dawson, Whitlock and Goad are very young but have alot of potential.




Thomas is a huge loss. Wardlaw has shown more than JHF after two seasons, especially in terms of desire to compete. He's a better mid, not as good up forward.

I have seen Reid live and if you worry about LDU or Warlord's kicking Reid's will give you a seizure. He had five kicks and mangled four of them. His twelve touches that day were poor. If he hadn't taken an amazing mark you'd wonder what the fuss was about. McKercher was much better that day. Had three times as many possessions too.

Our draft hand since 2020 has seen us pick 9 players after pick 30, about average. All but two are still on the list. But we have 13 picks under 30 (not including JHF,) that is almost double the average for that period.

We had five from the previous five drafts.

Of those 13 picks ten are nominal first rounders (only pushed back by bid matching).

That's about as close to maximising our draft hand as you can get. Especially considering we haven't played finals since before Jy, Larkey and Zurhasr were drafted.

We may have had two or three more draft picks at the cost of Parker, Daniel, CCJ, Fisher and Stephens. But they'd have been later picks and in the case of the last two would have cost us Wil Dawson, Hardeman or both.








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You put too much emphasis on single moments/games/what you have seen in person. I once saw Scott Bulluss beat Wayne Carey.

 

[hilly]

No replacement for Carey

Sheezel is obvious

Mckercher reminds me of Wayne Schwass. I hope he keeps taking the game on, will open up space for our forwards

Wardlaw is manic but also injury-prone and a bit untidy

FOS sounds good - holding down a wing will make us a three goal better side.

We desperately need at least two of Goad, Whitlock and Dawson to come good. Then it's onto finding small forwards (proper ones).

 

[Luke72]

I reckon if they played Comben forward he could be. Now the injuries seem to be behind him he seems to be improving rapidly.

I also think Paul Curtis has only just started to show us what he’s capable of. Under sized to do what Carey does but I reckon he’s more than capable of kicking some big bags rather than two or three.

 

[Val Keating]

We’d be lucky to see another Carey at all, let alone at North.

Zondor this hypothetical is dumb “Now if we had kept JHF, Finished last in 2023 and snared Reid plus somehow retained Thomas I'd be a lot more bullish about our midfield at a minimum. For the pain that we have suffered have we maximised our return with the draft hands we have been afforded? :stern look”

You asking if they both weren’t dickheads.

 

[Passmore]

We’d be lucky to see another Carey at all, let alone at North.

Zondor this hypothetical is dumb “Now if we had kept JHF, Finished last in 2023 and snared Reid plus somehow retained Thomas I'd be a lot more bullish about our midfield at a minimum. For the pain that we have suffered have we maximised our return with the draft hands we have been afforded? :stern look”

You asking if they both weren’t dickheads.

You were expecting anything different?

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[shintemaster]

Who was the Wayne Carey on last year's premiership list? I'm not convinced that's reasonable criteria - nor a requirement to win a premiership.

I'd say Sheezel, LDU are the most likely as of today to be those players. I'd bet on McKercher too personally and based on his first full ruck year there is a fair argument Xerri could have a season or two where he is a titan in a better team. Then there are a handful of potential game breakers - potential being a dirty word for obvious reasons.

 

[ferball]

You put too much emphasis on single moments/games/what you have seen in person. I once saw Scott Bulluss beat Wayne Carey.

God forbid anyone respond about what they have seen live.

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[Luke72]

We’d be lucky to see another Carey at all, let alone at North.

Zondor this hypothetical is dumb “Now if we had kept JHF, Finished last in 2023 and snared Reid plus somehow retained Thomas I'd be a lot more bullish about our midfield at a minimum. For the pain that we have suffered have we maximised our return with the draft hands we have been afforded? :stern look”

You asking if they both weren’t dickheads.

I love what he did for the club but Wayne does seem like a bit of a dick head. Maybe we need more dick heads.