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mtooler said:
Totally disagree with the widesweeping statement of no evidence to the contrary as the SSM debate raised plenty and sociologist presentation I've seen also speaks against it and further highlighted the biased research that comes back to the origins of the generalisations you made.
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Links for the evidence and basis for calling the longitudinal studies on this bias, please.
 
Kummerspeck said:
Links for the evidence and basis for calling the longitudinal studies on this bias, please.
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Nope.... actually the sociologist was Dr Elisabeth Taylor if that helps, her presentation was great and quoted most of the prominent gender theory proponents and their studies. Probably has youtube clips if you google her.
 
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Number37 said:
You talk about crossing a line, exactly where do you draw the line for when people can refuse service?
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Nowhere. Nobody should be forced to sleep with you, nobody should be forced to loan tools to you, nobody should be forced to give money to you, and nobody should be forced to do business with you.
 

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BruceFromBalnarring said:
You presume the business needs to articulate a reason for not doing business. I would defend that business' right not to give a reason.

I just think a line has been crossed that didn't need to be crossed, and we have headed into "thought crime" territory.

I'll give another example. In 2008 the Abortion law was changed in Victoria. Medical practitioners who object on moral grounds to abortion are allowed to not perform the procedure but MUST by law provide a referral to a practitioner that will. That crosses a line. They now must actively participate in the procurement of an abortion despite their objection. What was wrong with just leaving it as it was? Why can't the doctor simply say "I want no part in this?"

Same with conscientious objectors to same sex marriage. Why can't they say "I want no part in this?" Because it hurts the gay couple's feelings? FFS grow up.

Far too much in society now is finding grievances to object to. And it's starting to get really silly.
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Get real lemon peel. Despite abortion being legal it is extremely difficult for women in country Victoria to get an abortion. Why??? The answer is that most docs in country Vic enjoy practice rights at the public hospital and the Catholic hospital. I is made clear that docs performing abortions in the public hospital will not enjoy practice rights in the Catholic hospital. It is appalling blackmail
 
Bloodied52 said:
Get real lemon peel. Despite abortion being legal it is extremely difficult for women in country Victoria to get an abortion. Why??? The answer is that most docs in country Vic enjoy practice rights at the public hospital and the Catholic hospital. I is made clear that docs performing abortions in the public hospital will not enjoy practice rights in the Catholic hospital. It is appalling blackmail
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Fair enough of the Catholic hospital, they take killing a child fairly seriously as is their prerogative, its hardly a commercial transaction, goods/cash for service type of issue to people of faith.
 
Bloodied52 said:
Get real lemon peel. Despite abortion being legal it is extremely difficult for women in country Victoria to get an abortion. Why??? The answer is that most docs in country Vic enjoy practice rights at the public hospital and the Catholic hospital. I is made clear that docs performing abortions in the public hospital will not enjoy practice rights in the Catholic hospital. It is appalling blackmail
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That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Why is that a problem?
 
mtooler said:
If there was also involvement of a fire breathing half unicorn/half dragon that drinks berocca mixed with the blood of Dory from finding Nemo (bless her forgetful mind) and Bambi, and the fire breathing half unicorn/half dragon was involved in the rape, pack rape, molestation including any male or gay couple seeking to impregnate her to have a child for them, I am still anti abortion.

I am pro children's human rights.
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So if a female is r*ped and becomes pregnant she doesn't have the right to terminate? You actually believe that? If that's the case anything that you have tried to put forward in any way in this debate I now consider useless, redundant. In fact if I could say what I'd like to Id be banned from BF.
 
mtooler said:
Fair enough of the Catholic hospital, they take killing a child fairly seriously as is their prerogative, its hardly a commercial transaction, goods/cash for service type of issue to people of faith.
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As against allowing children to commit suicide because they were r*ped by Catholic representatives, they don't take that seriously at all.
 
Kapanis said:
As against allowing children to commit suicide because they were r*ped by Catholic representatives, they don't take that seriously at all.
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Actually “they” do. Certain individuals within the Catholic hierarchy at times acted to cover it up over years, just as individuals from pretty much all institutions did, but the Catholic Church did far more, far earlier, than many institutions to confront child sexual abuse within its ranks and its compensation scheme was more generous too. Now it is beyond question that the Catholic Church didn’t do enough, and not did they pay enough, but to say they didn’t care as a collective is simply false.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
Actually “they” do. Certain individuals within the Catholic hierarchy at times acted to cover it up over years, just as individuals from pretty much all institutions did, but the Catholic Church did far more, far earlier, than many institutions to confront child sexual abuse within its ranks and its compensation scheme was more generous too. Now it is beyond question that the Catholic Church didn’t do enough, and not did they pay enough, but to say they didn’t care as a collective is simply false.
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Sorry, that's bullshit and I know a lot about it for a personal viewpoint. Google Father John Denham amd then tell me how the Catholic Church has ever done anything to address or repair anything to those affected before he pleased guilty. Total bullshit Bruce.
 
Kummerspeck said:
Reducing active discrimination against LGBTQI people as simply 'hurt feelings' shows a real lack of any empathy or understanding on your part.
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There remain people who, for various reasons, some of them religious, who believe in their hearts that homosexual activity is immoral. Denying them the right to choose not to participate in a celebration of that activity is discrimination in itself.
 
Kapanis said:
Sorry, that's bullshit and I know a lot about it for a personal viewpoint. Google Father John Denham amd then tell me how the Catholic Church has ever done anything to address or repair anything to those affected before he pleased guilty. Total bullshit Bruce.
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I know who John Denham is. I know who Gerald Ridsdale is. They are individuals and so are those who covered for them.
 

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BruceFromBalnarring said:
I know who John Denham is. I know who Gerald Ridsdale is. They are individuals and so are those who covered for them.
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Yes, the Catholic Church. You may know who Denham was, I knew Denham face to face and I know that everyone involved with the schools he worked at knew about his past, the brothers, the lay teachers, even the students. The Catholic Church did nothing for any victim, nothing. There were other Brothers involved with this ring, most of them have never been convicted, a lot are dead.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
There remain people who, for various reasons, some of them religious, who believe in their hearts that homosexual activity is immoral. Denying them the right to choose not to participate in a celebration of that activity is discrimination in itself.
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That is not a response to what I posted. You've repeatedly downplayed discrimination against LGBTQI people as a case of "hurt feelings” or something similar.
 
Kapanis said:
So if a female is r*ped and becomes pregnant she doesn't have the right to terminate? You actually believe that? If that's the case anything that you have tried to put forward in any way in this debate I now consider useless, redundant. In fact if I could say what I'd like to Id be banned from BF.
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What you consider of my opinions I couldn't care less. Do you believe a child doesn't always have a human right to life? .... And I'm supposedly the monster here haha
 
mtooler said:
What you consider of my opinions I couldn't care less. Do you believe a child doesn't always have a human right to life? .... And I'm supposedly the monster here haha
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Yes, you are, your a fool. I've put up with you hiding your bigotry behind your sacred book and religion. In fact I pity you. No more response from me to your posts. Blocked.
 
Kapanis said:
Yes, you are, your a fool. I've put up with you hiding your bigotry behind your sacred book and religion. In fact I pity you. No more response from me to your posts. Blocked.
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I'm understanding from that, that you don't believe a child always has a right to life, I find that an odd position to take, but each person has a right to believe as they wish.
 
Kapanis said:
Yes, the Catholic Church. You may know who Denham was, I knew Denham face to face and I know that everyone involved with the schools he worked at knew about his past, the brothers, the lay teachers, even the students. The Catholic Church did nothing for any victim, nothing. There were other Brothers involved with this ring, most of them have never been convicted, a lot are dead.
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I am in the difficult position, not as a victim I should point out, of having a front row seat to this issue at multiple levels. Happy to discuss with you in detail on the boat over beers. In short, I think it was a society problem not a church problem.
 

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