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I don’t downplay active discrimination against anyone as hurt feelings. Passive discrimination is different.
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I don’t downplay active discrimination against anyone as hurt feelings. Passive discrimination is different.
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Happy to have a rum anytime, just don't tell me the church tried to help its victims, it did the opposite. Go Scallywag.
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A post claimed there was a large body of evidence, and then criticised a post claiming there was a counter evidence, neither cited it. I'm not doing people's research for them. I recalled her name on gender theory where she covered it there too. Her you tube clips would be worth a watch if you are interested. Her seminar is what came to my mind, not a journal paper etc.
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You have though.
Zzzzzz
I'd honestly love to see a reviewed paper from the lead researcher at the ACL on anything relating to this subject.
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Her writings are interesting, it all depends on what filters your beliefs are when interpreting evidence. Same evidence people can draw two different conclusions.
An obvious type of example is the clinically recognized and diagnosed mental condition of gender dysmorphia. According to the post modern world gender dysmorphia isn't a thing, but according to non-clinicians homophobia, islamaphobia, i'llridewithyouaphobia (amazing irony is the person who started that movement actually got criticised and quit social media due to abuse by politically correct people for stereotyping ethnicity: talk about can't win!!!) are things haha, except for the last one, I just made it up, but hey someone made up the other phobia's so its a thing lol!
p.s. stop being so disagreeaphobic.
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Oh good, recommend some.
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Rather annoyaphopic of you, however her safe schools paper of 2016 is a good place to start pp.14-15 particularly on the issue we're talking, let me know how you go and the external links it cites I know you'll explore with much vigour.
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Sounds good. Which completely unchecked blog post are you talking about? Safe Schools: Anti-bullying Program or Political Agenda?, which uses absolutely no research based sources, but relies on CNS news, the Witherspoon institute, and a youtube video to support claims , or Safe Schools cannot be sanitised and no one can opt out?
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I think it is the former one you'd love to have a read of her views and contest them. She touches on gender dysphoria there from memory.
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Nothing would thrill me more than doing so, however, I was asking about the basis for dismissing current research as biased or a reviewed piece.
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You assume current research isn't biased haha. https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria highlights the condition however biased commentary tries to normalise it.
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You're getting off track here. You dismissed a large body of evidence on children in same sex families as biased. I would like evidence for bias existing in studies on that. I'm not interested in youtube rabbitholes or blog posts from the ACL. If you can show that, I'm all ears, eyes, or whatever is required.
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I'm not interested in undertaking little missions you set for me, couldn't care less, set 1000 of them if you like. What's your thoughts on the Dr's writings or that of the American Psychiatric Association's?
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That was the reason this exchange started. I asked what evidence you had that reasearch on kids in same-sex marriage and you mentioned that you heard it at a seminar. 'I don't have to do this if I don't want to' is becoming tiresome when you can't address something.
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Let me guess, the Christian preacher? You can't have an intelligent debate with a brain washed, condescending fool. Don't waste your time.
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Lol, get as tired as you want, not going to change anything haha. I did hear it in a seminar, I pointed you to the lady, then the AMA, you address nothing. You say theres a large body of evidence cite nothing. Just google something if you want to learn it, stop assuming being pedantic is winning anything in an argument, you poor tired thing haha. A 2 second google search found this for you, you should try it sometime... https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/08/childrens-welfare-sex-families/#_ftn56
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Somebody is wearing the cranky pants today.
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Becuase neither of those sources supported your claim that current research on kids in same sex families is biased. Pretty straightforward.
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The scholarly consensus is clear and consistent: children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children of different sex parents: American Sociological Association
In 45 empirical studies of outcomes of children of same-sex couples—including all studies listed in Tasker’s (2005) comprehensive survey that examined childhood outcomes, several more recent studies listed by Wald (2006), all four studies listed by Meezan and Rauch (2005) as the highest-quality studies in this field and all the more recent studies that cite the earlier ones—none found statistically significant disadvantages for children raised by gay and lesbian parents compared with other children.
This study demonstrates that children with same-sex attracted parents in Australia are being raised in a diverse range of family types. These children are faring well on most measures of child health and wellbeing, and demonstrate higher levels of family cohesion than population samples.
Overall, research to date considerably challenges the point of view that same-sex parented families are harmful to children. Children in such families do as well emotionally, socially and educationally as their peers from heterosexual couple families.
These results do not support the idea that adolescent outcomes are shaped by parental sexual orientation, but they are consistent with views that emphasize the importance of adolescent relationships with parents. Overall, the results suggest that important decisions about adolescent lives should focus not on parental sexual orientation, but on the qualities of adolescents’ relationships with parents.
I know these are just longitudinal studies, literature synthesis and meta-analysis rather than blog posts on hard right Christian web sites or youtube videos, but I did my best.
Here we go. I don't think you read this, as it doesn't support your bias claim. Does make some controversial statements tho.
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Its entirely focused on the bias and picks apart much of what you post above. Externally referenced too, knock yourself out on researching away on it. As I mentioned before theres hardly consensus on what you think is a forgone conclusion. When doctors are protesting about biased findings and positions by its peak body red flags should go up.
Far from clear and consistent.... https://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/docs/MarriageandFamily.pdf outlines as I said how the same evidence viewed through different worldviews can be interpreted differentLy. About two thirds into the article.
It wont change either of our minds, but its a furphy to believe theres uniform consensus out there.
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Nah, surprisingly enough the conservative opinion piece cherry picks data and ignores qualifiers in the research it's citing. Highlights mental issues and a number of the citations used state that the mechanics are either unknown or generally from external sources like bullying or the social stigma. Sources used also point out that adopted children have a much higher risk of mental issues and this needs to be accounted for when examining the numbers. Was this qualifier in your opinion piece?
Though please go through and show me how this picks apart and proves bias in peer reviewed research and governmental studies.
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A business that opens its doors engages in conduct that constitutes an 'invitation to treat'.
An invitation to treat essentially says "I have these products for sale and anyone is welcome to purchase them for the advertised price". If you go into a business and say "yes, I would like to buy your product for that price" & the business was to say, "sorry I won't sell to you", that would be misleading & deceptive conduct under the Australian Consumer Law.
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It was only 30 years ago that some pubs in Melbourne and certainly Queensland barred Aboriginal people from entering. Women were similarly barred from public bars in many pubs.
Back on the religioids, I would defund or remove tax exempt status from the various Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist mobs if they restricted access to services (be it marriages, funerals, access to legal health procedures).
Frankly I and no doubt many other people are sick to death of religioids controlling public life and discourse. The separation of Church and State has not happened in this country and it needs to be put on the menu for discussion.
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I haven't reviewed any of the research material specifically applicable to children of same sex couples. What I do know is that approx 50% of behaviour characteristics are inherited in the genes and the balance are learned from environment the most important of which is family.
I also know that many children who are adopted develop attachment disorders which can have debilitating impacts on their lives. A syndrome called 'adopted child syndrome' exists to describe the cluster of behaviours applicable. It is postulated that the removal of the child from genetic mother at birth is the cause. I had cause to study this syndrome because my then wife suffered it. She was adopted and the family to which she was were an entirely different genetic pool (as though they came from another planet). It caused massive attachment issues feeding mental health issues and anti social destructive behaviours.
I also have had a relationship where I was patriarch to my partners children- blended family as they call them. Having then went on to subsequently have my own children I can positively say that it is different. No matter how hard you try to be the loving parent (and I was) there is a subtle disconnect there for children which aren't your own. Indeed in worst case scenario a syndrome called 'the Cinderella effect' is a known psychological term given to the known fact that there is higher incidence of child abuse in families with one parent non genetic. Pretty obvious to me that it occurs from that disconnect
All these things have effect for same sex couples using surrogates to manufacture a child to be offspring of both parents. If displacement occurs with birth mother (as it does for a gay couple rather than lesbian couple) then attachment disorders may result which may be further impacted by the Cinderella effect when one of the parents isn't genetic contributor .
The role of parent is the most onerous responsibility in life. Having a loving family is so important. Having homeless children accepted as adopted into a loving family is a philanthropic choice for that couple to do and is an outcome lesser of two evils for the child. That should be encouraged because alternatives are dire.
Separate from that is the trend where babies are created to order through surrogacy for same sex couples or heterosexual couples where birth mother is the surrogate. I have grave misgivings (more so for gays than lesbians because with a lesbian one will be birth mother) of creating children for selfish need of a couple using surrogacy. Not surprisingly it isn't what was contemplated by genetic plan and thereby creates exposure to a number of significant obstacles.
Now same sex marriage has succeeded the logical next step is greater numbers using surrogacy. I agonise about the likely explosion in attachment disorders and increase in child abuse that will likely result for these children.
This concern doesn't even address the environment (50% determinant of behaviour) of a same sex couple as influence to orientation. I was staggered to read in one of the links on this thread that whereas same sex orientation is 2-3% of population (? That) prevalence that children of same sex oriented parents are 70% likely to same sex or bisexuality themselves. If that is true and that's a big IF then it's safe to conclude that the same sex environment influences orientation. So a child who would likely be heterosexual oriented in 97% of times won't be because they were reared in a same sex family.
I will research further because that sounds incredulous. If it's true should we be alarmed at that? That a child is brought into a family by artificial non natural means (adoption or surrogacy) then have their orientation influenced by that fact.
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A man and a woman respectively are influenced by:
- genetic pysiology
- genetic behavioural inclinations
- hormonal influences
- stereotyping of sex role behaviours
Each group is different for a man and for a woman. These differences aid the roles each play in child rearing. Make no mistake it is the enitirety of complimentary roles of a man with a woman that comprise parents that creates an environment conducive to a child's welfare and development.
Whatever the degree of maternal or paternal instincts respectively that a gay 'mother' or a lesbian 'father' might exhibit they will ALWAYS fall short of the complete package and that will be to the detriment of child rearing without doubt.
- genetic pysiology
- genetic behavioural inclinations
- hormonal influences
- stereotyping of sex role behaviours
Each group is different for a man and for a woman. These differences aid the roles each play in child rearing. Make no mistake it is the enitirety of complimentary roles of a man with a woman that comprise parents that creates an environment conducive to a child's welfare and development.
Whatever the degree of maternal or paternal instincts respectively that a gay 'mother' or a lesbian 'father' might exhibit they will ALWAYS fall short of the complete package and that will be to the detriment of child rearing without doubt.
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