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Methinks the Harbs and Bluey stuff is a bit of a beat up.

Guys like Harbs and Risch carry significantly more responsibility at the Suns than similarly experienced players would at other clubs, simply because we have so few of them.

I know Bluey very very much rates Harbrow and what he offers us. He's made that abundantly clear in pressers over the last 18 months. He's even played him in the midfield over our premiere young guns, such is how he respects Harbs. But he's got to make sure Harbs keeps that form up, and given his dip in form in that period when Ablett went down, Bluey was probably trying to do anything he could to get Harbrow back to his scintillating best. Leadership and all that. He expects more, knows he can do more, yada yada.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was some arguments and yelling here, but nothing that would extend beyond normal Coaches trying to get their young leaders back up to it. Certainly no rifts or fractures or anything as dramatic as that, as Bluey indicated in that latest article.
 

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Sunny_ said:
Even though he's taken us to more wins every season so far?
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Don't get me wrong i like Guy Mckenna but I don't think he's the man that can get us to an afl finals series. And if we have the opportunity to get someone like bomber thompson then we need to throw everything we can at him.

2011 - 3 wins
2012 - 3 wins
2013 - 8 wins
2014 - 10 wins

any team would of improved the way we have in the first 4 year with or without a coach. The amount of elite young men we were given we were always going to improve.
I think and it's my own opinion that
Guy Mckenna has slowed the development of the young players and the team. With a lack of game plan no forward structure constantly throwing player around in different positions like toy soldiers at a kindergarten and in doing so killing what little confidence the player has left.
Something's gotta change and hopefully it does Thursday night at this meeting.
 
If GWS end up level on wins with us next year..and they will win 8-10 games..
Shit will hit the fan if bluey is still head coach..
Every1 will be thinking back to this board meeting this thursday will be where everything could of changed...
But we had no balls!!
Nothing to say we cant win 10-15 wins if.. Some assistant coach changes happen the next few months..
left As is... I think were staring down the barrel.
 
Jeez you guys are dramatic. What was your prediction at the end of 2013? What was your expectations? These 2 questions are primarily directed at the last 2 posters Ben Drever and GcSunsfan

- We have improved every single year.
- Melbourne have had a heap of top 20 draft picks if not more than we have and have not come good. Therefore top end talent does not equal success.
- We do have a game plan, and if you fail to see the game then that is your issue. You will notice that the game plan is to win contested ball/clearance which we are one of the top teams in perhaps thanks to our midfield coach? Get the hard ball first, beat them in the middle get first use. Then guess what flick it out wide as quickly as possible to an outside player and use the wings. You will notice the gameplan doesn't want us to use the corridor in general play due to knowing our list, and our capabilities and our defence. If we went guns blazing down the corridor our defence is too young to withstand that. That's understanding your list, and where your players are at.
We can't play like a Port/Hawthorn/Geelong and blaze down the middle, if we turn it over we are cooked as we're not quite physically/mentally matured yet. So you play a game plan to your strengths and try to limit your weaknesses.
- We lost our captain, which is compounded by the fact the midfield brigade is probably the youngest in the competition. Find a younger midfield when Gaz is not there. GWS have more experience than ours with Mumford, Ward, Palmer in their mids - we occasionally might have Stanley or Rischa run through, but that's a rarity.
- Injuries, we had a swag of them this year and 2nd half of the year was not settled whatsoever. Expect fluctuation in performance with the experience we were putting out there.
- Top 3 at our best and fairest were under 22. Prestia, Lynch, Swallow - where was Stanley? Rischa? Harbs? We have a significant hole in our list in the 23-28 yr old age bracket.
- Our forward line isn't that bad - Lynchy kicked over 40 goals, and our points for this year we are ranked 9th - we're middle of the road yes. But shit if you look at the potential of our forward line and the upside their its going ok. Considering we score more points than the likes of Richmond, Essendon, Bulldogs, Collingwood that's ok by me cause at the moment we have matured over the last 18 months to a mid table team, the next challenge is to get to the top end of the table. This shows development and we are moving in the right direction.

Alright end of rant. :)

Bluey is fine in my opinion - he needs better support though. We also need 2 or 3 more experienced players, particularly with our delisted/retired from the last 12 months. Murphy, Bock, Brown, Warnock
 
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darkwingduck said:
I just find all of this fascinating - so many people calling for Bluey's head.

I won't go into it because there's a clear inability to reason with people of this mindset. I just hope the majority of supporters aren't getting carried away with this hysteria.
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Darkwingedduck,

Bluey has has got previous form of ranting at players for a scapegoat reason, right back to his TAC games in his first year - Leopards don't change their spots, they just get bigger when the important people listen!!!! This time its the listed players (paid employees of the club just not cannon fodder) who have heard and have had enough of he with mediocrity blaming the few for his shortcomings.

To be like a Michael Malthouse, you must first have the credentials and secondly the football world's respect and Bluey has neither, the sooner the Sunny Boys build as one, IMO the quicker you will bask in the glory of the holy grail - By the by. I see the Aspley Hornets won the real NEAFL Flag against the Sydney Chooks, Wow, Qld success again at last and so far north of the Brisbane river too - OMG!!!!!!!
 
supernova_ said:
Jeez you guys are dramatic. What was your prediction at the end of 2013? What was your expectations? These 2 questions are primarily directed at the last 2 posters Ben Drever and GcSunsfan

- We have improved every single year.
- Melbourne have had a heap of top 20 draft picks if not more than we have and have not come good. Therefore top end talent does not equal success.
- We do have a game plan, and if you fail to see the game then that is your issue. You will notice that the game plan is to win contested ball/clearance which we are one of the top teams in perhaps thanks to our midfield coach? Get the hard ball first, beat them in the middle get first use. Then guess what flick it out wide as quickly as possible to an outside player and use the wings. You will notice the gameplan doesn't want us to use the corridor in general play due to knowing our list, and our capabilities and our defence. If we went guns blazing down the corridor our defence is too young to withstand that. That's understanding your list, and where your players are at.
We can't play like a Port/Hawthorn/Geelong and blaze down the middle, if we turn it over we are cooked as we're not quite physically/mentally matured yet. So you play a game plan to your strengths and try to limit your weaknesses.
- We lost our captain, which is compounded by the fact the midfield brigade is probably the youngest in the competition. Find a younger midfield when Gaz is not there. GWS have more experience than ours with Mumford, Ward, Palmer in their mids - we occasionally might have Stanley or Rischa run through, but that's a rarity.
- Injuries, we had a swag of them this year and 2nd half of the year was not settled whatsoever. Expect fluctuation in performance with the experience we were putting out there.
- Top 3 at our best and fairest were under 22. Prestia, Lynch, Swallow - where was Stanley? Rischa? Harbs? We have a significant hole in our list in the 23-28 yr old age bracket.
- Our forward line isn't that bad - Lynchy kicked over 40 goals, and our points for this year we are ranked 9th - we're middle of the road yes. But shit if you look at the potential of our forward line and the upside their its going ok. Considering we score more points than the likes of Richmond, Essendon, Bulldogs, Collingwood that's ok by me cause at the moment we have matured over the last 18 months to a mid table team, the next challenge is to get to the top end of the table. This shows development and we are moving in the right direction.

Alright end of rant. :)

Bluey is fine in my opinion - he needs better support though. We also need 2 or 3 more experienced players, particularly with our delisted/retired from the last 12 months. Murphy, Bock, Brown, Warnock
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Mathew Paine never tried nothing to loose.
 
Sunny_ said:
Methinks the Harbs and Bluey stuff is a bit of a beat up.

Guys like Harbs and Risch carry significantly more responsibility at the Suns than similarly experienced players would at other clubs, simply because we have so few of them.

I know Bluey very very much rates Harbrow and what he offers us. He's made that abundantly clear in pressers over the last 18 months. He's even played him in the midfield over our premiere young guns, such is how he respects Harbs. But he's got to make sure Harbs keeps that form up, and given his dip in form in that period when Ablett went down, Bluey was probably trying to do anything he could to get Harbrow back to his scintillating best. Leadership and all that. He expects more, knows he can do more, yada yada.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was some arguments and yelling here, but nothing that would extend beyond normal Coaches trying to get their young leaders back up to it. Certainly no rifts or fractures or anything as dramatic as that, as Bluey indicated in that latest article.
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As soon as I heard that it was supposedly Harbrow complaining about receiving a spray (as reported by journalists), that's when I knew this story was more crap than fact. It's simply unbelievable to think an experienced footballer is unable to take a spray (i.e. Harbs is an experienced footballer, the idea that he spat the dummy after being yelled at by a coach is so difficult to believe). If there's any element of truth to this story (that there's some unhappiness with Bluey), it's definitely not that bit of journalism.

In any case, players say how much garbage is made up in the media for a reason.
 

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jackenny said:
As soon as I heard that it was supposedly Harbrow complaining about receiving a spray (as reported by journalists), that's when I knew this story was more crap than fact. It's simply unbelievable to think an experienced footballer is unable to take a spray (i.e. Harbs is an experienced footballer, the idea that he spat the dummy after being yelled at by a coach is so difficult to believe). If there's any element of truth to this story (that there's some unhappiness with Bluey), it's definitely not that bit of journalism.

In any case, players say how much garbage is made up in the media for a reason.
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Jackenny,

To tame the beast you need to know the beast:

There is a difference between being yelled at and being made a third class citizen by a big headed Coach, mistakes are made for a reason, either ability flaws or wrong decisions made at a crucial time, a simple review of this is undertaken by most good coaches and their staff in the cold hard day of reflection, Bluey has a very ordinary tendency to shoot off at the lip and BELITTLE the perceived wrongdoer/s without having a controlled revisit of the incident - If he thinks that this has contributed to a loss, then the coach killer assumption is heaped by him onto the assumed perpetrator/s - Thus players having a gut full of being treated like his subjects or being abused in front of their peers by a would be trained Michael Malthouse with red hair.

Its such a shame as supporters that we only see - what we have been told or in this case not told.
 
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Sunny_ said:
It's hard to buy into this story when all quotes and sources contradict what is being reported. Like, entirely.

If I wrote something like that in college with all sources contradicting me I'd get a fail for sure.
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UMASS?

Sunny_ said:
If we get rid of Bluey for someone like Voss or if we promote Primus I will lose it. I hate the prospect of sacking Bluey, but I can at least understand it if we get a damn good Coach to replace him with. Not a lot of them around though.

I still think we need more development and assistant Coaches. It would make a huge difference.
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+1 I've been hearing it since the back half of 2011 from these short sighted peons. I guess it must just come with the GC fair weather fan archetype.

SUNS said:
He is a 2 x premiership player. So finding winning games should not be hard.

2 x best and fairest. Captained the eagles for a few years and the Western Australia SOE team at least once.

You don't get that resumé by having a pea heart
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Expanding on this, He played defence and you look at most sports. It's almost a prerequisite to have a bigger than average heart. You just do not come across soft or heartless defensive players.

GcSunsfan said:
And at the end of the day all that means stuff all when it comes to coaching. looks at the resume of Michael Voss 10 times bette and look what happened to him.
Guy McKenna has to go he is holding us back
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Holding us back? Thanks for that expert opinion. Glad your not on our board, We'd probably have Sam Newman coaching us.

I'd be curious to see the percentage of those that predicted us to make finals this year, It wouldn't be high.

I'll put my hand up as one of them, But you don't see me losing my nut and calling for his head, Because I have some actual common sense.

Let's face the facts, You've all tasted success and you can't live any other way. The only "Logical" thing is to blame the softest target in all of team sports - The coach.

God I hope Thursday comes and goes without incident because I swear to Gary if Bluey gets the chop...
 
billybunter said:
Jackenny,

To tame the beast you need to know the beast:

There is a difference between being yelled at and being made a third class citizen by a big headed Coach, mistakes are made for a reason, either ability flaws or wrong decisions made at a crucial time, a simple review of this is undertaken by most good coaches and their staff in the cold hard day of reflection, Bluey has a very ordinary tendency to shoot off at the lip and BELITTLE the perceived wrongdoer/s without having a controlled revisit of the incident - If he thinks that this has contributed to a loss, then the coach killer assumption is heaped by him onto the assumed perpetrator/s - Thus players having a gut full of being treated like his subjects or being abused in front of their peers by a would be trained Michael Malthouse with red hair.

Its such a shame as supporters that we only see - what we have been told or in this case not told.
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Do you really think Malthouse is the only coach who yells at players? I am pretty certain every coach in the AFL yells at players and singles them out from time to time. Even a small guy like the Hawk's Brendon Bolton is capable of letting rip a big spray. And he's just an assistant coach.
 
darkwingduck said:
I just find all of this fascinating - so many people calling for Bluey's head.

I won't go into it because there's a clear inability to reason with people of this mindset. I just hope the majority of supporters aren't getting carried away with this hysteria.
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I think it's cute you refer to them as "supporters". Hardly see anything resembling support since Gaz went down from these so called "supporters". Sickening really that these guys are an ever growing voice on this board.
 
FavoriteSun said:
I think it's cute you refer to them as "supporters". Hardly see anything resembling support since Gaz went down from these so called "supporters". Sickening really that these guys are an ever growing voice on this board.
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So because someone has a differing opinion from yours, they're not 'supporters'? Right.
 
Sunny_ said:
Indeed. All supporters are allowed an opinion, no matter how much we disagree with them. :)
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Yet older opinions where people had Dreams ,threads, opinons etc, the threads that i re hashed today from a year ago were locked as they create discusssion, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!prove peoples thoughts, show double standards etc.

why were the old the treads locked? what a basket case!!!
 
tigernova said:
Yet older opinions where people had reams etc, threads a re hashed today were locked as they create discusssion, prove peoples thoughts, show double standards etc.

why were the old the treads locked?
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I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say. :(
 
Bomber Thompson to step into strategic role at Essendon

MARK Thompson is expected to remain at Essendon in a self-styled job that will see him step back from frontline coaching duties and assume responsibility for the development of players and coaches, and strategic direction within an expanded football department.

Thompson and the club will finalise details of his new position over the next few days. It appears there are no major obstacles to Thompson remaining at the club alongside returned senior coach James Hird for the 2015 season.
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Well if Bomber is staying at Essendon then Bluey should be safe.
 
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