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Howard Littlejohn said:
The phrase that cpomes to mind with that finals system is "somewhat nutty". Actually other phrases come to mind, but I believe this board has ****ing swear filter - yep, there it is.

Top 4, 3 weeks, bam. Higher finish gets the home final (any gorund), winner of the semi between 1st and 2nd gets a week off and choice of grounds with 15k+ capacity (North Hobart, Bellerive, York Park).
Maybe Windsor Park and Youngtown could be excluded from hosting finals due to having zero facilities for spectators, but only if the league looks like actually drawing crwods to anything other than the GF - so I don't think its likely to be an issue.
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You may be a little harsh on South Launnie here, putting them in the same basket as Windsor Park. South is a pretty good viewing ground - plenty of car spaces on the hill on the wing and a grandstand that is quite good.
Obviously not the same capacity as D'port, Burnie, North etc, but a whole heap better than Windsor!
 
Granted, Youngtown is no Windsor Park; but if a major selling poiut is the parking along the wing then its not exactly a top notch facility either.
Not that that would matter with crowds unlikely to increase anyway, but its certainly not a good look for an "elite" competition, even less so in
finals.

And some sense from AFL Tas:
Taken from Roorat's post in the TSL News Archive thread, and originating from the Advocate.
AFL Tasmania general manager Scott Wade said clubs would retain their traditional colours and would only be required to wear an "away" strip when clashing with a team of the same colours.
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At least they got that right, shame about the finals, too many teams, and so many other aspects of the league.
 
No, as long as the finals are a traditional Final 5 format, what I'm seeing I'm liking (as far as a SW comp goes, which I'm not sold on but can't change anyway, so if you can't beat 'em...)...

Keep your name and colours, and make the concession of a clash strip when you're playing away (when most of your supporters won't be there anyway)...if you really wanted to get a bit of positive parochialism going, why not a generic clash strip for your region? Northern teams wear a N.Tassie strip, and vice versa...? And if Ulverstone gets in, good old intra-state 3-way rivalry...

The number of teams is good. 6 is far too limiting, and even 8 is a bit small, despite the numerical balance against population.

And as a South supporter, I'd prefer to see them playing a home final at York Park, not only because South have never played in a SW final at all and the occasion should be in the best venue, but because the SWL should aim big. No point having one if it isn't going to be a chest thumping spectacle. Tell the world the TFL FINALS are on, and you're playing it in the good venue because that's how important it is. Validate the product. You might find that participating clubs and the league itself will rise to the occasion and make it something bigger, which certainly is not something Tasmanians should be avoiding...we tend to denounce and lose interest before even attempting when it's our own thing, so our local product gets derided. Outsiders coming in and making a killing tend to blind us to this, such as the Hawks or the Rugby World Cup...

So how about stamping in and creating a mindset that the top footy in Tasmania is taken seriously by those in power...it'll be a new challenge in uncharted territory, seeing as none of them have done it before to any worthwhile extent...
 

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Gibbke said:
Keep your name and colours, and make the concession of a clash strip when you're playing away (when most of your supporters won't be there anyway)...if you really wanted to get a bit of positive parochialism going, why not a generic clash strip for your region? Northern teams wear a N.Tassie strip, and vice versa...? And if Ulverstone gets in, good old intra-state 3-way rivalry...
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Definitely a smart idea. Being forced to drop your identity doesn't please fans very much.
Many, many examples down here through the years.
Actually they used to do that (TFL, NWFU, NTFA strips) in some of the old State Premiership deciders where there was a clash in strips worn by the teams.
Burnie Tigers & Longford or Hobart was one, Glenorchy & Scottsdale, North Hobart & Latrobe, North Launceston & Ulverstone were other clashes.
Hobart wore an all-gold jumper with a black TFL logo on the front against the Burnie Tigers in the 1959 State Grand Final, even though Hobart was hosting, so I'm not all that sure as to how they decided who wore the alternates.

Gibbke said:
The number of teams is good. 6 is far too limiting, and even 8 is a bit small, despite the numerical balance against population.
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Yep, ten's about right.
Not only that, but it's good that there's some other clubs wanting to seek inclusion, as I have a feeling that there will inevitably be one or two clubs that'll find the going too tough and drop back regional level, especially if the State goes into recession again (like December 1990).

Gibbke said:
And as a South supporter, I'd prefer to see them playing a home final at York Park, not only because South have never played in a SW final at all and the occasion should be in the best venue, but because the SWL should aim big. No point having one if it isn't going to be a chest thumping spectacle. Tell the world the TFL FINALS are on, and you're playing it in the good venue because that's how important it is. Validate the product. You might find that participating clubs and the league itself will rise to the occasion and make it something bigger, which certainly is not something Tasmanians should be avoiding...we tend to denounce and lose interest before even attempting when it's our own thing, so our local product gets derided. Outsiders coming in and making a killing tend to blind us to this, such as the Hawks or the Rugby World Cup...
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Yes I agree totally on that.
It was something that used to cheapen the finals in the Premier League in my opinion, by playing them at poor venues.
I'll never forget that farcical situation of Kingston hosting New Norfolk in a final at Kingston Beach Oval several years ago.
That ground wasn't even considered good enough to host Huon FA finals and hadn't hosted a final since 1966, but the SFL deemed it worthy. :confused:
They really need to pump up the TFL as much as they can, the finals most definitely have to be played at the best venues available.
Gotta get out of this Smallville, country-hick mentality and further more, use all that great tradition the old TFL (and NTFA & NWFU) had as a selling point because the game's got a terrific history here that should be more celebrated.
 
I recall in Launceston in 1988 a real sense of hype for the first time about the TFL, because North were expected to be big improvers...the finals in 1989, where North hosted the 2nd Semi, were huge in Launceston, and seen as a massive event...nearly 7000 showed up...no country ovals used in any of these games, but more importantly it was pumped up as the real deal...heady days when we thought it would always be this good...!
 
Kingpin said:
Yep, ten's about right.
Not only that, but it's good that there's some other clubs wanting to seek inclusion, as I have a feeling that there will inevitably be one or two clubs that'll find the going too tough and drop back regional level, especially if the State goes into recession again (like December 1990).
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This is one of the reasons why I think ten is too many. There are probably six clubs who can really afford a decent salary cap so the best players are playing in it, and the standard would be up with just six - but the league too reptetitive. So, eight is probably necessary to avoid the repetition.

What we really do not want is a repeat of the league constantly changing structure again. It needs years with the same teams to become a "traditional" part of football. There are enough people predicting, and more than a few hoping, the league will fall over. A few teams "dropping back" would only spread their gospel further.

Such bad timing for both starts of a state league. The Robin Gray induced recession (followed by the one we had to have) not long after the first one started, and now with the second state league it looks set to kick off in a downturn as well. (Although Tasmania might avoid recession even if nationally there is one, simply because it avoided most of the growth since the last recession ended.)
 
Howard Littlejohn said:
What we really do not want is a repeat of the league constantly changing structure again. It needs years with the same teams to become a "traditional" part of football. There are enough people predicting, and more than a few hoping, the league will fall over. A few teams "dropping back" would only spread their gospel further.
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Agreed that we need the continuity. Just a shame we've once again got to the stage of the State heading into an economic crisis - which is exactly when the rot set in for the previous one.
Although you're probably right, we more than likely never recovered from the 1990 recession ;)
 
Wonder who the coaches will be in the TFL for 2009?

Was told today that Lauderdale has signed up Cam de Gooyer (Seniors), Dion Mead (Reserves) & Garry Williamson (Thirds) - not a bad crew :thumbsu:
Devonport recently signed for Burnie Docker Errol Bourne for the senior job.
Hobart to stick with Toddy Lewis in the senior coaching role, no idea if Graeme Fox and Martin "Chilli" Free are being kept on as 2nds and 3rds coaches respectively though.

Is Justin Plapp taking the Burnie Dockers on again next year?
Is Adam Sanders staying on with the Blues?
Who's got the Bulldogs and Clarence?
North Launceston and Glenorchy are yet to sign a coach, any rumours getting about?
 
Hey Guys,

Long time reader, first time poster! Love your work...

Kingpin i'm pretty sure WIN News announced a few weeks back that Glenorchy had signed Mick Bowden for next season and yes... Justin Plapp will be at Burnie.

I hear the Mariners are also set to announce their coach later this week.
 
The snouts say that the Rob Roys (Ulverstone Robins) haven't had the door slammed yet with regard to the SWL. In fact it is well ajar and seems with their membership vote on Monday the "Footy Tas Brainstrust" (Is that an oxymoron?) are likely to welcome them with open arms in 2009. Yes 2009, next season!

The Robins meeting from all reports (about 150 attended) was hostile and very heated. Some say a bit of push and shove, a little finger pointing and some old wounds re-opened. When the vote went the other way with the last SWL it was accepted gracefully. This time a few sore losers.
Just hope it works for them as they are the real constant on the coast.

Back to the SWL and the "brainstrust" appear not adverse to a bye with Ulverstone in the comp due to the expanse it covers and also seem not convinced with Devonport; particularly their off-field management issues of late and their pathetic on-field failures over generations.

Concerning North Launceston & South Launceston; yet to be announced but the wiley North West Fox has been approached.
 
Rusty Knives said:
The snouts say that the Rob Roys (Ulverstone Robins) haven't had the door slammed yet with regard to the SWL. In fact it is well ajar and seems with their membership vote on Monday the "Footy Tas Brainstrust" (Is that an oxymoron?) are likely to welcome them with open arms in 2009. Yes 2009, next season!

The Robins meeting from all reports (about 150 attended) was hostile and very heated. Some say a bit of push and shove, a little finger pointing and some old wounds re-opened. When the vote went the other way with the last SWL it was accepted gracefully. This time a few sore losers.
Just hope it works for them as they are the real constant on the coast.

Back to the SWL and the "brainstrust" appear not adverse to a bye with Ulverstone in the comp due to the expanse it covers and also seem not convinced with Devonport; particularly their off-field management issues of late and their pathetic on-field failures over generations.

Concerning North Launceston & South Launceston; yet to be announced but the wiley North West Fox has been approached.
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Luke McLean is playing coach at South Launceston, continuing from this season.
 
Kingpin said:
Wonder who the coaches will be in the TFL for 2009?

Was told today that Lauderdale has signed up Cam de Gooyer (Seniors), Dion Mead (Reserves) & Garry Williamson (Thirds) - not a bad crew :thumbsu:
Devonport recently signed for Burnie Docker Errol Bourne for the senior job.
Hobart to stick with Toddy Lewis in the senior coaching role, no idea if Graeme Fox and Martin "Chilli" Free are being kept on as 2nds and 3rds coaches respectively though.

Is Justin Plapp taking the Burnie Dockers on again next year?
Is Adam Sanders staying on with the Blues?
Who's got the Bulldogs and Clarence?
North Launceston and Glenorchy are yet to sign a coach, any rumours getting about?
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Chris Whitford to be reappointed at the bombers. Who would touch them when you have a f#$%k nuckle as a president. He is more dangerous than bin laden. Although bin may be a little bit smarter.
 
Cheers lads :thumbsu:

Burnie Dockers - Justin Plapp.
Clarence - ?
Devonport - Errol Bourne.
Glenorchy - Mick Bowden.
Hobart - Todd Lewis.
Lauderdale - Cameron De Gooyer.
Launceston - Adam Sanders.
North Hobart - Matthew Geappen.
North Launceston - Chris Whitford.
South Launceston - Luke McLean.

Footy Whispers: Welcome to Bigfooty :)
I heard that Bowden wasn't going to be taking on the Pies next season, but I don't ever get to see the News so I'll take your word for it.
From what I heard, Nick Davey had tossed in the Clarence senior coaching job at the end of 2008, so they are yet to sign anyone up.
I hear the Rooboys are in a spot of bother over there at the minute. Only got 4 people on their board. :confused:
 

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According to the Advocate the launch date for the TSL will not be tomorrow as previously advertised but AFL Tas will announce a date hopefully in November for the launch. Evidently most clubs aren't ready to sign yet.
 
Kingpin, Nick Davey left the 'Roos end of 2007 season.
Brendon Bolton had 'em in 2008, so what's happened to him?
Thought he would've stayed on as he seems to be a "career" coach.
Interesting comments on the 'Roos board; mind you they aren't the roos of old.
Then again the SWL burnt that many last time it's now for the younger brigade to step up.
 
Baker & Co. on news tonight announcing that they are in no hurry to have the clubs sign the licence agreement, says it shows the strength of the relationship between the clubs and AFL Tas.
Matty Lynch to coach Mariners with Matthew Armstrong skills coach.
Wade absent from press conference.......
 
roorat said:
Baker & Co. on news tonight announcing that they are in no hurry to have the clubs sign the licence agreement, says it shows the strength of the relationship between the clubs and AFL Tas.
Matty Lynch to coach Mariners with Matthew Armstrong skills coach.
Wade absent from press conference.......
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his name is Emmanuel Lynch , Manny for short. Not Matty.
Brother of Alistair.
A great coach and good footy head, wish him well!!!
 
Igor the Great said:
his name is Emmanuel Lynch , Manny for short. Not Matty.
Brother of Alistair.
A great coach and good footy head, wish him well!!!
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A thousand apologies, either the news reader muffled his words or I'm getting deaf in my old age. I do wish him and the Mariners well, it's one footy "pathway" I agree with. With all this extra coaching etc it seems a lot for a part time team any goss on if the Mariners might resume full time TAC cup commitments?
 
roorat said:
A thousand apologies, either the news reader muffled his words or I'm getting deaf in my old age. I do wish him and the Mariners well, it's one footy "pathway" I agree with. With all this extra coaching etc it seems a lot for a part time team any goss on if the Mariners might resume full time TAC cup commitments?
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The mariners will stay as they are.They will still be involved in games that don't have 4 points riding on them. Hard to believe that. Good to see Armstrong back involved.
 
Rusty Knives said:
Kingpin, Nick Davey left the 'Roos end of 2007 season.
Brendon Bolton had 'em in 2008, so what's happened to him?
Thought he would've stayed on as he seems to be a "career" coach.
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Note to self: Never type half asleep LOL ;)
Yep, a rumour I'd heard around was that Bolton (not Davey) wasn't going to be there but this was told to me by someone different to the person who told me about their board numbers.
The latter source would most definitely have the correct info. :)
According to that person it's a case of everyone there expecting the good times to continue but not enough willing to step up and do the job. Leaving too much to too few.
I also heard their junior program was falling away a bit too, you'd hope for their sakes that not the case.
Time will tell I guess.
 
I also heard their junior program was falling away a bit too, you'd hope for their sakes that not the case.



Predicting Lauderdale to over shadow the Roos from 2010. Their juniors are sensational and strong back down to under 13's.
 

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