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So - can anyone tell me how common it is for a team to have 2 players in it that have got a 10 goal haul in a game and when the last time it occurred (before Lecras and Kennedy)?

Stephen Milne kicked 11 in R22, 2005 against the Lions. Fraser Gehrig had kicked 10 the previous year against the Kangaroos.

http://footystats.freeservers.com/Footystats/Gls-all.html

 

[Ron The Bear]

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A genuine question (and not crowing because my team has won a few this year!)

So - can anyone tell me how common it is for a team to have 2 players in it that have got a 10 goal haul in a game and when the last time it occurred (before Lecras and Kennedy)?

Complete list ('Gms' is number of games played together after both players had kicked a bag of 10, including the first game; e.g. Kennedy/LeCras are on 1):

P Cb Seasons Gms Players
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4 NM 1982      5 Blight/Carman/Glendinning/Good
3 Ha 1974,77  25 Hudson/Matthews/Moncrieff
3 Ca 1977      8 Jesaulenko/McKenna/Walls
3 NM 1982      8 Blight/Glendinning/Good
3 NM 1982      5 Blight/Carman/Glendinning
3 NM 1982      1 Blight/Glendinning/Good
2 Fi 1920-22  15 Freake/Merrick
2 Es 1924-46  35 Irwin/Stockdale
2 Ge 1927     16 Hagger/Rankin
2 Ca 1928      7 Clover/Davie
2 Ca 1929-31  19 Clover/Vallence
2 Ri 1931-35  44 Baggott/Strang
2 Me 1933      5 Johnson/Margitich
2 WB 1933-34   9 Morrison/Rait
2 Ge 1934     17 Daily/Moloney
2 Es 1936-37  13 Baggott/Freyer
2 Me 1943-47  59 Fanning/Smith
2 Ha 1946-48  54 Albiston/Culpitt
2 WB 1946      9 Grove/Morrison
2 Ca 1972-75  25 Jesaulenko/Kennedy
2 Ha 1973-83 152 Matthews/Moncrieff
2 NM 1974-75  20 Kekovich/Wade
2 Ca 1976-78  26 Jesaulenko/Walls
2 Ca 1977      2 Jesaulenko/McKenna
2 Ha 1977      1 Hudson/Matthews
2 NM 1977      4 Carman/Kekovich
2 Fi 1978-80  37 Beecroft/Walls
2 NM 1981-82   6 Blight/Glendinning
2 NM 1981-83   8 Glendinning/Good
2 NM 1982      2 Carman/Glendinning
2 Ri 1982-84  25 Roach/Taylor
2 WB 1982      2 Beasley/Templeton
2 Fi 1984-86  43 Conlan/Quinlan
2 Ha 1990-92  25 Brereton/Dunstall
2 Ge 1991-96  80 Ablett/Brownless
2 Ad 1993,96  12 Hodges/Modra
2 Ca 1993-97  81 Kernahan/Silvagni
2 Co 1993      1 Daicos/Rocca
2 NM 1993-94  32 Longmire/McAdam
2 Co 1995     15 Brereton/Rocca
2 Ha 1996-98  38 Dunstall/Salmon
2 WB 1996      3 Jakovich/Osborne
2 Co 1997-98  28 Osborne/Rocca
2 NM 1997-99  32 Carey/Longmire
2 NM 2001     13 Carey/Rocca
2 Es 2002      8 Lloyd/Salmon
2 St 2005-08  48 Gehrig/Milne
2 WC 2011      1 Kennedy/LeCras

 

[BartBart]

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^^ Thanks - so a bit more common than I thought!

 

[Ron The Bear]

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1) How many interstate sides have played 3 times in any particular non-VIC state? (include VIC teams that sold home games)

eg. Collingwood played at Football Park 3 times in 2002; Sydney played at Football Park 3 times in 2003

2) Of those sides, did any go 3-0 or 0-3?

Complete list:

Year Cb M Ground    W-D-L
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[COLOR=blue]1996 Ca 3 Patersons 0-0-3
[/COLOR]1999 NM 5 SCG       4-0-1
2000 NM 4 SCG       3-0-1
2001 NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
2002 Co 3 AAMI      2-0-1
2002 NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
[COLOR=blue]2004 Ge 3 AAMI      0-0-3
[/COLOR]2004 NM 3 Manuka    1-0-2
2005 NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
[COLOR=blue]2006 Ha 3 Aurora    3-0-0[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]2006 Me 3 Patersons 0-0-3
[/COLOR]2006 NM 3 Manuka    1-0-2
2007 Ha 4 Aurora    2-0-2
2007 NM 3 Carrara   2-0-1
2008 Ha 4 Aurora    3-0-1
2008 NM 3 Carrara   2-0-1
2009 Ha 4 Aurora    2-0-2
2010 Ha 4 Aurora    3-0-1

 

[The Passenger]

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for the eagles

how many reigning wooden spooner's have notched up a 100-point win the next season (or even in the season they were wooden spooners. doubt the latter has happened though)

and if we can beat collingwood this year how often has the previous years wooden spooner beaten the reigning premiers?? I imagine this is probably more common than the first one.

 

[red+black]

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1) How many interstate sides have played 3 times in any particular non-VIC state? (include VIC teams that sold home games)

eg. Collingwood played at Football Park 3 times in 2002; Sydney played at Football Park 3 times in 2003

2) Of those sides, did any go 3-0 or 0-3?

Complete list:

Year Cb M Ground    W-D-L
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2002 Co 3 AAMI      2-0-1
2002 NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
[COLOR=blue]2004 Ge 3 AAMI      0-0-3[/COLOR]

Thanks, but it's not quite complete. You missed one of the examples I provided, Swans at AAMI in 2003. Did you, by chance, miss any more?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Thanks, but it's not quite complete. You missed one of the examples I provided, Swans at AAMI in 2003. Did you, by chance, miss any more?

Mmm, misread the question and only ran the query for Victorian clubs. This stuff often gets sandwiched in between real work, hence the occasional error.

Entries for WC (3), Fr & Sy added:

Year Cb M Ground    W-D-L
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[COLOR="Blue"]1996 Ca 3 Patersons 0-0-3[/COLOR]
1999 NM 5 SCG       4-0-1
2000 NM 4 SCG       3-0-1
2001 NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
2002 Co 3 AAMI      2-0-1
     NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
2003 Sy 3 AAMI      1-0-2
[COLOR="blue"]     WC 3 AAMI      0-0-3[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]2004 Ge 3 AAMI      0-0-3[/COLOR]
     NM 3 Manuka    1-0-2
2005 NM 3 Manuka    2-0-1
[COLOR="blue"]2006 Ha 3 Aurora    3-0-0[/COLOR]
     Fr 3 AAMI      2-0-1
[COLOR="blue"]     Me 3 Patersons 0-0-3[/COLOR]
     NM 3 Manuka    1-0-2
     WC 3 AAMI      1-0-2
2007 Ha 4 Aurora    2-0-2
     NM 3 Carrara   2-0-1
     WC 3 AAMI      2-0-1
2008 Ha 4 Aurora    3-0-1
     NM 3 Carrara   2-0-1
2009 Ha 4 Aurora    2-0-2
2010 Ha 4 Aurora    3-0-1

 

[Ron The Bear]

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for the eagles

how many reigning wooden spooner's have notched up a 100-point win the next season (or even in the season they were wooden spooners. doubt the latter has happened though)

Year Rd Cb Mgn Op
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1977  6 Co 102 Ca
1988 22 Ri 103 Fi
1995 19 Sy 126 Fi
1999 17 Br 100 WC
1999 20 Br 114 Fr
2011  9 WC 123 WB

and if we can beat collingwood this year how often has the previous years wooden spooner beaten the reigning premiers?? I imagine this is probably more common than the first one.

Year Rd Cb Mn Op
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1904  3 Sy 26 Co
1904 10 Sy  3 Co
1908 12 Es 13 Ca
1909  4 Ge 24 Ca
1917  9 Ri 49 Fi
1917 14 Ri 18 Fi
1922  5 Es 10 Ri
1922 14 Es 37 Ri
1923 11 Sy  4 Fi
1924 18 Me 14 Es
1925  6 St 32 Es
1962  9 NM  1 Ha
1970 19 Me 54 Ri
1971  1 NM 26 Ca
1973 13 NM  8 Ca
1975 18 Me 37 Ri
1977  9 Co 34 Ha
1977 SF Co  2 Ha
1978 14 St  3 NM
1981  7 Fi  4 Ri
1981 17 Fi  1 Ri
1983  2 WB 17 Ca
1988 12 Ri 17 Ca
1998 QF Me 48 Ad
1999  4 Br 61 Ad
1999 19 Br 39 Ad
2000 21 Co 18 NM
2005  6 Ri 56 PA

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Could someone list total number of frees for say across last 31 years (1980 onwards) and frees per game played in a season.

My feeling is number of frees being paid is falling dramatically not only per season but as % per game.

2) Of all current players who has highest number of frees for / game played. (can restrict it say to top 25 players)

Was thinking about it and trying to compare it to these:

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/misc.html#S14
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/playershi.html#S12

Go here and scroll down to "Game Averages", last column.

Min 20 games:

AvFF Player
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2.31 Selwood, Joel
1.90 Swallow, Andrew
1.76 Monfries, Angus
1.71 Selwood, Adam
1.71 Murphy, Marc
1.68 McGlynn, Ben
1.68 Cox, Dean
1.67 Ball, Luke
1.64 Brogan, Dean
1.63 Kerr, Daniel
1.60 Cross, Daniel
1.55 Cotchin, Trent
1.55 King, Jake
1.53 Fraser, Josh
1.50 Bolton, Jude
1.48 Newton, Michael
1.47 Hodge, Luke
1.45 Picken, Liam
1.45 Thompson, Scott D.
1.38 Priddis, Matt
1.38 Mumford, Shane
1.37 Mitchell, Sam
1.36 Goldstein, Todd
1.35 Corey, Joel
1.33 Rioli, Cyril

Am staggered to see Jake King in that list.

 

[RogersResults]

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Year Rd Cb Mgn Op
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1977  6 Co 102 Ca
1988 22 Ri 103 Fi
1995 19 Sy 126 Fi
1999 17 Br 100 WC
1999 20 Br 114 Fr
2011  9 WC 123 WB

Year Rd Cb Mn Op
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1904  3 Sy 26 Co
1904 10 Sy  3 Co
1908 12 Es 13 Ca
1909  4 Ge 24 Ca
1917  9 Ri 49 Fi
1917 14 Ri 18 Fi
1922  5 Es 10 Ri
1922 14 Es 37 Ri
1923 11 Sy  4 Fi
1924 18 Me 14 Es
1925  6 St 32 Es
1962  9 NM  1 Ha
1970 19 Me 54 Ri
1971  1 NM 26 Ca
1973 13 NM  8 Ca
1975 18 Me 37 Ri
1977  9 Co 34 Ha
1977 SF Co  2 Ha
1978 14 St  3 NM
1981  7 Fi  4 Ri
1981 17 Fi  1 Ri
1983  2 WB 17 Ca
1988 12 Ri 17 Ca
1998 QF Me 48 Ad
1999  4 Br 61 Ad
1999 19 Br 39 Ad
2000 21 Co 18 NM
2005  6 Ri 56 PA

The 1917 results pose the question, "who was the 'wooden-spooner' in 1916"?

The title has never really had any official League status but by convention is 'awarded' to the team that is placed last on the ladder at the end of the round of matches ('first round' or 'home and away') before finals are played. In 1916 that team was Fitzroy. As it well known all 4 competing teams in that year played in the finals with the 'wooden-spooner', Fitzroy winning all their finals to take the flag. They were long accepted as the team that 'won' both the 'spoon' and the flag in the same year.

However in recent times the AFL Record Season Guide has retrospectively taken to 'awarding' the 1916 spoon to Richmond who finished 2nd last after the 'home and away' rounds, but lost their one final and have been placed last on a constructed 'final' ladder.

Richmond's final Match/Win % for the year was 41.67% before the finals, 38.46% after, Fitzroy's 20.83% before, 36.67% after.

In my opinion Tiger fans should not accept this ignominy.

(Fitzroy remains 'flagged' as the 1916 'wooden-spooner' on my database.)

 

[Ron The Bear]

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The 1917 results pose the question, "who was the 'wooden-spooner' in 1916"?

The title has never really had any official League status but by convention is 'awarded' to the team that is placed last on the ladder at the end of the round of matches ('first round' or 'home and away') before finals are played. In 1916 that team was Fitzroy. As it well known all 4 competing teams in that year played in the finals with the 'wooden-spooner', Fitzroy winning all their finals to take the flag. They were long accepted as the team that 'won' both the 'spoon' and the flag in the same year.

However in recent times the AFL Record Season Guide has retrospectively taken to 'awarding' the 1916 spoon to Richmond who finished 2nd last after the 'home and away' rounds, but lost their one final and have been placed last on a constructed 'final' ladder.

Richmond's final Match/Win % for the year was 41.67% before the finals, 38.46% after, Fitzroy's 20.83% before, 36.67% after.

In my opinion Tiger fans should not accept this ignominy.

(Fitzroy remains 'flagged' as the 1916 'wooden-spooner' on my database.)

Interesting point, have noticed this as well. Obviously 1916 is the only season affected in this way. My db has two columns, ladder finish after h&a and ladder finish after finals, with query results varying according to which is used.

Harsh on my club which lost its semi to Carlton, which had easily the season's best record, by three points.

 

[red+black]

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Mmm, misread the question and only ran the query for Victorian clubs. This stuff often gets sandwiched in between real work, hence the occasional error.

Nice work mate. You making an oversight is the exception that proves the rule that you don't make mistakes

 

[*Paul*]

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(Fitzroy remains 'flagged' as the 1916 'wooden-spooner' on my database.)

Ditto. We reserve the right to correct their mistakes . In addition, I've split BB/Fitz/BL three ways, and I also haven't recognised Geelong's "win" in the game they lost to St Kilda in 1909.

For a long while, I also defied the absurdity of, say Melbourne playing a "home" game v Brisbane at the Gabba. But as that sort of thing kept happening more and more, and people would write to me pointing out (sometimes quite forcefully) that no, it wasn't a Brisbane home game, I
gave in and home games can be any old place.

 

[RogersResults]

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Ditto. We reserve the right to correct their mistakes . In addition, I've split BB/Fitz/BL three ways, and I also haven't recognised Geelong's "win" in the game they lost to St Kilda in 1909.

For a long while, I also defied the absurdity of, say Melbourne playing a "home" game v Brisbane at the Gabba. But as that sort of thing kept happening more and more, and people would write to me pointing out (sometimes quite forcefully) that no, it wasn't a Brisbane home game, I
gave in and home games can be any old place.

Its fortunate we have so few anomalies to deal with.

Whereas the AFL officially deemed the records of Brisbane Bears/Lions as combined and continuous I think the Season Guide giving the spoon to Richmond for 1916 is an error which is in danger of becoming locked-in.

I'll still have the 1909 forfeited game as a Geelong win, as does the AFL and reckon Geelong is 4 wins away from their 1,200th win not 5. Necessitating such:
(If(Game Date=Date(6;5;1909) and Team = "Geelong";1;
If(Game Date=Date(6;5;1909 ) and Team = "St Kilda";0;
If(GetAsNumber(Result<0;1;0)))

'Home' games used to be of some interest but now they are really whoever the League puts on the left of the fixture. Moving them has a long history.
The Richmond - Melbourne game at Punt Rd round 17, 1913 was a Melbourne 'home' game moved from the MCG so that the VFA could use it for a final. (Giving a count of 90 Melbourne 'home' games v Richmond or 89 if you reckon Melbourne couldn't have been at 'home' at the Punt Rd Oval.)

 

[YOTC]

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Who was the last player to have at least 28 possessions and and at least 6 goals?

SJ Currently sits at 7 goals 29 possesions.

 

[RogersResults]

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May 29 2011

Marks:
Western Bulldogs 61
Hawthorn 180

How do those figures stack up?
Who else has had nearly 3 times or more marks than
their opponent?

 

[*Paul*]

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Only one better
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/1992/151619920613.html

Well, no The Hawks - Dogs is a greater mismatch. That's 2nd

 

[The Passenger]

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hawks had an 87 mark advantage over st kilda not long ago too. 119 is outrageous.

 

[red+black]

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1. How many current players have played at any of: Victoria Park, Western Oval, Waverley Park, the WACA, Princes Park?

(if not too numerous, please list players)

2. For each ground, who was the most recently retired player to have played at any of: Junction Oval, Lake Oval, Windy Hill, Arden St, Moorabbin Oval, North Hobart Oval?

(if there's a tie, please list all players)

 

[red+black]

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Sydney's percentage is exactly 100% after Round 10. How common is this, say in the last 20 years?

I notice that Hawthorn achieved this twice in 2009, after Rounds 6 and 9. Surely that's a rare 'feat'.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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1. How many current players have played at any of: Victoria Park, Western Oval, Waverley Park, the WACA, Princes Park?

(if not too numerous, please list players)

2. For each ground, who was the most recently retired player to have played at any of: Junction Oval, Lake Oval, Windy Hill, Arden St, Moorabbin Oval, North Hobart Oval?

(if there's a tie, please list all players)

Princes Park - 116 currently listed players (youngest - Eddie Betts)
Waverley - Baker, Black, J.Bolton, Bradshaw, C.Cornes, Embley, Fletcher, Gardiner, Goodes, Hall, Harvey, Hayes, M.McVeigh, Milburn, Mooney, Ottens, Power, Rawlings, Tarrant
Victoria Park - Black, Embley, Gardiner, Scotland, Tarrant
Whitten Oval - Fletcher, Gardiner, Hall
WACA - Baker, Blake, J.Bolton, Bradshaw, L.Brown, Bruce, Embley, Fletcher, Gardiner, Glass, Green, Grover, Guerra, Hall, Harvey, Hayes, Ottens, Pavlich, Scotland

Junction Oval - Tony Lockett (1984), Paul Salmon (1984), both 2002
Lakeside Oval - Justin Madden (1981), 1996
Windy Hill - Robert Harvey (1990), 2008
Arden St - Paul Salmon (1984), 2002
Moorabbin - Robert Harvey (1992), 2008
North Hobart - Robert Harvey (1991), 2008

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Sydney's percentage is exactly 100% after Round 10. How common is this, say in the last 20 years?

I notice that Hawthorn achieved this twice in 2009, after Rounds 6 and 9. Surely that's a rare 'feat'.

Cb Year Rd Pnts LP
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Sy 2011 10  734  6
Sy 2011  1   84 =8
Me 2011  1   84 =8
Ha 2009  9  869  7
Ha 2009  6  596  8
Ge 2006 11 1009 11
Es 2004 17 1782  9
Me 2002 13 1275  7
Ge 2001 14 1241  9
Ri 2001  9  885  7
Sy 1999 18 1747  9
PA 1999  5  472  6
Co 1998  8  791  8
PA 1997 10  886  6
Es 1997  8  744  9
Me 1995  9  744 12

No other instances after 1987 R7; 1987-95 is the longest span with no occurrences.

Has happened 85 times in all, 21 of these due to opening round draws. (The odd number is due to Carlton & Fitzroy playing in a draw in R1, 1982, after Fitzroy played its R2 match a week earlier.)

Three times in a season:
1944 St.Kilda, R5, R6 & R12

Twice in a season:
1897 South Melbourne, R6 & R7
1911 Carlton, R1 & R2
1920 Carlton, R2 & R6
1949 North Melbourne, R4 & R8
2009 Hawthorn, R6 & R9

 

[The Passenger]

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what was the circumstances behind richmond and fitzroy playing their round 2 match in 1982 before the round 1 matches??

 

[Ron The Bear]

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what was the circumstances behind richmond and fitzroy playing their round 2 match in 1982 before the round 1 matches??

They brought that game forward and played it on its own as a season opener. Can't remember the reason, just an experiment I think.

Was Maurice Rioli's first game (BOG). Kevin Bartlett was getting cranky with taggers in his old age, and Fitzroy alleged he broke Graeme Hinchen's jaw behind play in this game. He was reported for the one and only time at Geelong a few weeks later, and got off despite Bruce Nankervis's nose being splayed across his face.

 

[RogersResults]

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For and Against Percentage exactly 100%

Has happened 85 times in all, 21 of these due to opening round draws. (The odd number is due to Carlton & Fitzroy playing in a draw in R1, 1982, after Fitzroy played its R2 match a week earlier.)

The only time a team finished 'square' for a season.

1930: Sydney/SM
won 9
lost 9
For 1,553
Ag. 1,553
% 100