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I have a question that is a little hard to word, but I'll try my best.

Is there any combination of two clubs where a player has never played for both clubs in their career? So for example, both Terry and Anthony Daniher played for South Melbourne/Sydney and Essendon, so we know Essendon and Sydney would not be a combination on this list.

Other examples:

Greg Williams (Carl/Syd/Geel)
John Barnes ( Ess/Geel)
Gary Ablett (Haw/Geel)

But for example, I couldn't think of someone off the top of my head who played for both Carlton and Footscray- though I'm sure there would be one.

I would guess if there is a combination that hasn't yet come up, it's likely to involve at least one of the non-Victorian teams. Especially, of course, GWS/GC and most of the other clubs.
 
Dos23 said:
Is there any combination of two clubs where a player has never played for both clubs in their career? So for example, both Terry and Anthony Daniher played for South Melbourne/Sydney and Essendon, so we know Essendon and Sydney would not be a combination on this list.
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Number of players who've represented both clubs:

Code: 
Cb Ad Br Ca Co Es Fr Ge GC GWS Ha Me NM PA Ri St Sy WC WB Fi Un
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Ad     6  7  6  3  4  4  1   1  7 10 10  5  8  5  6  4  7  1
Br  6     8 20 12  5 12  2   1 13 12 11  5  8 17 17  9 12 22
Ca  7  8    39 37  4 36      1 27 57 31  7 28 61 44  4 34 66  1
Co  6 20 39    39  7 17  3     33 41 33  4 58 31 48  9 31 52
Es  3 12 37 39     8 24        22 37 49  5 43 46 44  4 28 46  7
Fr  4  5  4  7  8     3      1  8  7 10  3  4 10  4 11  6  1
Ge  4 12 36 17 24  3     2     10 24 26  3 28 39 35  6 23 17  2
GC  1  2     3        2         1  1  1  1     1        1
GWS 1  1  1        1               2     2              1
Ha  7 13 27 33 22  8 10  1        22 18  6 35 45 31  7 21 26
Me 10 12 57 41 37  7 24  1   2 22    31  5 53 78 59  7 32 38 17
NM 10 11 31 33 49 10 26  1     18 31     5 22 26 40 10 45 37
PA  5  5  7  4  5  3  3  1   2  6  5  5     7  4  2  7  5  4
Ri  8  8 28 58 43  4 28        35 53 22  7    52 55 14 40 39
St  5 17 61 31 46 10 39  1     45 78 26  4 52    67 10 42 53  1
Sy  6 17 44 48 44  4 35        31 59 40  2 55 67     7 50 50  5
WC  4  9  4  9  4 11  6         7  7 10  7 14 10  7     5 10
WB  7 12 34 31 28  6 23  1   1 21 32 45  5 40 42 50  5    22
Fi  1 22 66 52 46  1 17        26 38 37  4 39 53 50 10 22     4
Un        1     7     2            17          1  5        4
 

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Thanks for that, RTB. Interesting that University never had shared players with Richmond or Collingwood.

Some pretty amazing contrasts there. Geelong and Fitzroy were in the competition together for 100 years, yet had just 17 players play for both. Collingwood and Geelong have had just 17 in 115 years.

Yet in the same time period, South/Sydney and St Kilda have had a whopping 67 shared players.

Hawthorn and Geelong have had just 10 shared players in 87 years, which also seems surprisingly low. Geelong seems to be a common theme at the bottom end of these lists.
 
Dos23 said:
Thanks for that, RTB. Interesting that University never had shared players with Richmond or Collingwood.

Some pretty amazing contrasts there. Geelong and Fitzroy were in the competition together for 100 years, yet had just 17 players play for both. Collingwood and Geelong have had just 17 in 115 years.

Yet in the same time period, South/Sydney and St Kilda have had a whopping 67 shared players.

Hawthorn and Geelong have had just 10 shared players in 87 years, which also seems surprisingly low. Geelong seems to be a common theme at the bottom end of these lists.
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Geelong's list traditionally had a high proportion of players from country Victoria. The metropolitan clubs drew their playing lists predominantly from the Melbourne suburbs making movement to clubs in other suburbs more likely than relocating to Geelong or vice versa. Geelong players from the country tended to continue their football careers back in the country instead of moving to Melbourne if not required by Geelong.

For example:
62.5 percent of Geelong's 1951 and 1952 Grand Final squads were recruited from country Victoria. 25.0 percent of Geelong's 1951 and 1952 Grand Final squads were recruited from the Geelong District.
12.5 percent were recruited interstate.
75.0 percent of Essendon's 1951 and Collingwood's 1952 Grand Final squads were recruited from suburban Melbourne. (Essendon had one interstate recruit; Collingwood none.)

Eight of Geelong's 1951 and 1952 premiership teams played football in the country after leaving Geelong (most to take up high paying playing-coach positions) none played for another VFL club.
 
Thanks for all those figures RR. They are very interesting, though hardly surprising. I had figured the reasons for Geelong's low number against certain sides would be related to the stuff you're talking about.

Taking those reasons into account, if you exclude Geelong, the lowest common number between two Melbourne-based clubs (excluding, of course, Uni v North/Hawthorn/Footscray as they weren't around at the same time) is actually Hawthorn/North, who have only shared 18 players. Also excluded Uni v Collingwood/Richmond, as they had none at all.
 
Dos23 said:
Thanks for all those figures RR. They are very interesting, though hardly surprising. I had figured the reasons for Geelong's low number against certain sides would be related to the stuff you're talking about.

Taking those reasons into account, if you exclude Geelong, the lowest common number between two Melbourne-based clubs (excluding, of course, Uni v North/Hawthorn/Footscray as they weren't around at the same time) is actually Hawthorn/North, who have only shared 18 players. Also excluded Uni v Collingwood/Richmond, as they had none at all.
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The University figures are of special interest because if they include players who started at other clubs then they could indicate the relative number of players at other clubs who had qualified for university, were studying at university or were graduates.
 
RogersResults said:
The University figures are of special interest because if they include players who started at other clubs then they could indicate the relative number of players at other clubs who had qualified for university, were studying at university or were graduates.
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Indeed. Monash, La Trobe, Deakin and all those other universities were a long way off even being established at that point in time.

If you wanted a tertiary education in Victoria at the time, you went to Melbourne University or elsewhere interstate. Or overseas.
 
Dos23 said:
Indeed. Monash, La Trobe, Deakin and all those other universities were a long way off even being established at that point in time.

If you wanted a tertiary education in Victoria at the time, you went to Melbourne University or elsewhere interstate. Or overseas.
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The first state secondary school, Melbourne High School didn't open until 1905.
 
RogersResults said:
The first state secondary school, Melbourne High School didn't open until 1905.
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Sorry for derailing this thread a bit but to further your educational post and taking it a bit left field, Swinburne has announced it'll close its Lilydale campus.

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:.

Didn't like the course I was doing but I loved the grounds.
 
When the international rules series was brought back in 1998 after a layoff of eight years, why was it decided to have it as a best of two series instead of its previous status as a best of three?
 

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Ron The Bear said:
From the Sydney Morning Herald:
North - Adamo 7, German 3, Cockatoo 3, Hanlon 2, Said 1, Liberatore 1
Richmond - Klug 2, Jackson 1, Bourke 1, James 1, Clark 1, Johnson 1

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19841001&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
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:thumbsu: Who'd a thunkit?
Must have realised that they had a VFL Australian Football team based in Sydney by then!:)
Be interesting to see when they first gave results of a VFL U-19 Grand Final.

Worbod owes a box of chocolates.
 
I ain't no mindreader but I get the feeling Ron the Bear would prefer something slightly stronger. Chocolate liqueur perhaps?
 
Has a player ever got Brownlow votes after being subbed/starting as sub?

Petrie a strong chance tonight.
 
UpForGrabs said:
OK gurus, next one.

Here's a question about three perenially injured WCE players... Mark Nicoski, Beau Waters and Sam Butler.

Since all of them debuted, what's the percentage of games where all three have been in the team at the same time?

Am thinking it's pretty low.
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Butler was the last of the trio to debut, in R10 2004. Since that day they've played 9 of a possible 195 games together, or 4.6%.
 

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