Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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the nail said:
overall i think sos has done a pretty good job.all things considered.....but lob, at 10 is a bust ,and doing the future trade was wrong,way to risky for us,and going to bite us hard( though stocker looks ok so far).

but all his other picks most other recruiters had the same players we picked in same ball park...our problem for so long now is, we cant develop these kids,
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No, I am not conceding that.

Elite tank. We need his all day run.

We will know by 2021, not now.

P.S. Same goes for David Cunningham and Matthew Kennedy. I ain't conceding any of them as busts.
 
I know you are jesting Soapy, but I am certain of this, unless you are a team based in QLD/NSW then Priority Picks are dead.

And that is a good thing.

Once we come good I don't want Hawks, * and the like begging for PPs once they hit the cellar.
 

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Eiffel 65 said:
I can't speak for anyone but I've always been of the opinion that our rebuild has gone to plan.

We haven't made stupid moves and traded away all our draft currency for 'the messiah.'

Yes, the wins are few and far between at the moment but we've established a good core group of players.

The one thing we've missed on is landing one or two decent mature age players that can fill a role and be more than just a list clogger.

Yes, it's unfortunate that we've traded away pick 1 (or most likely) this year but at least our intention was right.

Don't think things are as bad as what they seem.
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To early to judge. We got Stocker who we rated at 6 plus who ever we pick up this year with the Adelaide pick swap. Two potential elite players V one. Good risk to take imo.
 
gbatman said:
If we cleaned out SOS and our recruiting department I'd just about give up on this club.

It's a genuine concern who is running things and what pull they have.

It worries me that we are being run by people who have too much money and no idea about football or the AFL but think they do.

I have enough doubts over Carlton as it stands right about now. The club has always been it's worst enemy. Being run by people who don't understand modern AFL football has always been our problem.
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They won’t get rid of sos because they don’t understand modern football.

He’s tried a full draft rebuild at a time of free agency and future year draft selections meaning traded players go to the club they want to go to.

So his plan to bring in experience is flawed, as what a grade player wants to be part of a side which has won 4 games in 2 years?

It’s all about SOS’s ego and he’s been given too much power. He’s more to blame for this mess than Bolts.

I wanted bolts gone too but SOS set him up for failure.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
sis might not be there end of the year

let's say it's 60% 40% against him right now

odds slightly against his being there


there might be a new recruiting guru from a much more successful club making his mark
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Who is this mystery person?

SOS has maximized top picks but been terrible in every other facet.
 
Arr0w said:
Seriously you can't even celebrate our wins, a party for a week, one ******* post.

Yet after every loss you are here infesting your ********

You want success and you want it yesterday, first the coach and now our list manager, keep going, soon you will be irrelevant
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Ah yes you’ve got me figured out. You absolute genius.

I despise my team actually winning games. That’s what it is.

You’ve coached a few games at some level. I guess that makes you smarter than everyone on here. You going to send your resume in to the club?
Soapy V said:
Exactly
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I barrack for Carlton. Have my whole life and will continue to do so.

It’s ****ing laughable you and your cronies can fill thread after thread up with your bullshit attacking supporters for not being true Carlton fans if they don’t view things the same as you.
 
Soapy V said:
You’re the most critical of anyone. Never happy. You got a scalp today. You should be happy.
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I think you're deflecting

you told us that everything is going well
now you're trying to tell us that I have the power to show you up by scalping bolts for no good reason all on my own

are you serious soapy?

I'm asking you to defend why you attacked people who voiced concerns and you just dismissed off the cuff!

like brushing off dandruff

and I'm asking for your explanation as to why this happened when you said it wasn't so countless times!

now you're attempting to say it's my fault and everything was going well till I interfered!

you're totally incoherent!
 
rog1995 said:
To early to judge. We got Stocker who we rated at 6 plus who ever we pick up this year with the Adelaide pick swap. Two potential elite players V one. Good risk to take imo.
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It's more about the look of gambling away pick 1.

Shows we may have misjudged where our list is currently at.
 
Eiffel 65 said:
I can't speak for anyone but I've always been of the opinion that our rebuild has gone to plan.

We haven't made stupid moves and traded away all our draft currency for 'the messiah.'

Yes, the wins are few and far between at the moment but we've established a good core group of players.

The one thing we've missed on is landing one or two decent mature age players that can fill a role and be more than just a list clogger.

Yes, it's unfortunate that we've traded away pick 1 (or most likely) this year but at least our intention was right.

Don't think things are as bad as what they seem.
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I think two years with 4 wins is pretty bad

and no we are still alive for now.. so things aren't that bad!
 

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dlb99 said:
I know you are jesting Soapy, but I am certain of this, unless you are a team based in QLD/NSW then Priority Picks are dead.

And that is a good thing.

Once we come good I don't want Hawks, * and the like begging for PPs once they hit the cellar.
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With all the flags they have won with Priority pick players in their team. I think they will remain quiet.

PS no one seems to bag them for it.

I could live with it.
 
HBF said:
POTY!!
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There is absolutely no hiding why we're so bad.

Our rebuild is finished when we fill our list with the 23-30 year olds that Rogers and Hughes failed to provide the list of now with.

We will get there, I just hope those who have a say in things have a good understanding of this.

It's sad to think that all Hughes and Rogers had to do was recruit one really good player a year and the failed even in doing that. If they had we'd be playing finals, rebuilding but playing finals like the good side do who rebuild on solid foundations.

I think this is the worst recruiting of all time, has to be. I think if we had 9 years of SOS and Agresta we would look alright.

We're out to blame an individual, something we can quick fix. A lot on here don't want to hear it but it's not a quick fix.
 
PP34 said:
Ah yes you’ve got me figured out. You absolute genius.

I despise my team actually winning games. That’s what it is.

You’ve coached a few games at some level. I guess that makes you smarter than everyone on here. You going to send your resume in to the club?

I barrack for Carlton. Have my whole life and will continue to do so.

It’s ******* laughable you and your cronies can fill thread after thread up with your ******** attacking supporters for not being true Carlton fans if they don’t view things the same as you.
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You have no idea

You are at either end of the spectrum, love or blood, don't have the heart for anything else

Cronies attacking supporters? That's rich coming from you while calling for blood, within the club. At least you can lean on win/losses short term, but now you have SOS, in your sights, who's next?
 
IMHO it could only be one of two problems. Either the board are not happy with our list that we have built over the last few years, or the board are not satisfied where we currently sit with the current list we have. Today the board spoke. By sacking Bolton I believe they are saying our list is better than we are currently performing and the hence the decision to part ways with Bolton.

FWIW I think SOS has made some ordinary decisions. We overpaid for McGovern, for what he has provided thus far. Liam stocker deal could potentially come back to bite us, the jury is out on that one. As mentioned by other posters a long list of reject players. Unwillingness to address current needs of the team, for example, drafting a player like Finbar instead of a midfielder or small forward which we are crying out for.

I don’t know if the club has made the right decision but for the sake of the long suffering supporters, and myself, let’s hope so!
 
Arr0w said:
You have no idea

You are at either end of the spectrum, love or blood, don't have the heart for anything else

Cronies attacking supporters? That's rich coming from you while calling for blood, within the club. At least you can lean on win/losses short term, but now you have SOS, in your sights, who's next?
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Where have I actually called for Bolton to be sacked? I don’t even think I called for it yesterday. If I did it was after another very poor performance.

I don’t want Silvagni sacked as it stands either. Just think he shouldn’t be immune from criticism.

I have no idea anyway how wanting change at a club means you’re any less of a fan. That’s a pretty weird way of seeing things.
 
Gavstar said:
SOS has the runs on the board, look a the giants for god sake.


SOS chooses the players he doesn’t develop them. If players are consistently not reaching they’re full potential is that his fault? Injury management? Or Player development?

As SOS stated some players were recruited on the basis that they wouldn’t play first team football but where there to protect the kids in the reserves. Unfortunately we were decimated by injury and they were exposed.

I think the mistake lies more in the Holman, Kerridge and Graham delistings.

Agree we over committed to injury prone players and it appears that all eggs were in the Sheil basket and that wen too close to the wire for us.

Show me someone else who has built a better list than GWS?
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The list is unbalanced, was it necessary to get all of mullett O’Shea and Shaw and zero mids or small forwards?

Is it necessary to get zero small forwards apart from Lebois with any picks or trades?

We were always going to suck to a fair degree but SOS has done well maximizing early picks but has treated the rest like a crap shoot
 
THE_GUN said:
Personally from an outsiders viewpoint i find it baffling that Carlton has decided to go down the path of sacking bolton at this stage

What is to be gained by sacking a coach now ?
With such a young list ( by design) what was he expected to deliver ?
If Carlton had won 2 more games until now would he have been sacked ? What difference would that have made ?
If it was this time next year with 2-3 more mature players at the club and another year into the kids then i could understand

Just feels like the board caved tp media/public pressure
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4 wins from 43, playing awful football with literally no enjoyment for anyone watching it and surely not anyone on the field either.

Needed a circuit breaker, whatever bolts is trying to do isn’t working and not suiting the players.

In saying that he’s been put in a terrible situation with the demographic of the playing list, and SOS rolling the dice on injury prone former high picks who have been 98% terrible.
 
PP34 said:
Where have I actually called for Bolton to be sacked? I don’t even think I called for it yesterday. If I did it was after another very poor performance.

I don’t want Silvagni sacked as it stands either. Just think he shouldn’t be immune from criticism.

I have no idea anyway how wanting change at a club means you’re any less of a fan. That’s a pretty weird way of seeing things.
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Don't backtrack now. You replied to my post, that was standalone and not directed to anyone in particular, with some smart ass comment, then cry foul because me and my so called cronies attack posters? You have targeted Bolton and the gameplan for some time now, expecting success and or failure to revolve around such a small component.

Of course no one is immune from criticism, yet "you and your cronies" want this flick of the switch rise and success, which would buck the trend of any rebuild in the last 2 decades.

All i see from you and so many others is everything that is wrong with our club, seriously why do you bother, if all you see is doom
 
davis_756 said:
SoS has done fine most of the players we have drafted in the last 3 years will be solid best 22 the problem is there is not one single quality 100+ game player out on the park at the minute.

We need all of Murphy, Thomas, Jones, Simpson, Docherty out on the park to be competitive and without them the kids are going to struggle to stay in games long enough to get us results.
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Docherty is the main one that has hurt us the past 2 years, Cripps is a great leader in the follow me sense, where as Doc is the brains and organiser of the team, losing him and Gibbs at the same time set us back big time and probably in the end cost Bolton his job.
Gibbs was the tipping point in the one cut to far sense as it exposed our midfield, we needed an instant replacement and unfortunately Rockliff chose Port and the rest is history, maybe we should have done it the year before and taken Lyons and a first rounder who knows.

Either way with a new coach and Docherty back (please god) we are still in a damn good position to launch thanks to the list SOS has assembled, sure he has made mistakes but look at the job he has had to do over 4 years, it is enormous unprecedented in the history of AFL footy.

We have a spine that is the equal of any in the comp thanks to SOS.

Our young midfield is, whether people want to admit it or not, the envy of the competition and given time and direction will dominate for years to come.

Our defence is still solid even with all the injuries and non continuity, another quality half back and a lock down small defender is all we need there.

Remember what we started with people, Malthouse gutted our club of quality mid age players (mainly forwards) and left us bereft of talent to help the young players acclimatise to AFL footy which is our biggest problem, we shouldn’t have to be chasing mature bodies at this stage we had them before Mick gave them away.
If this rebuild started before Malthouse came to Carlton, while Ratts was still in charge, or if we managed to skip the whole Malthouse carnage and went straight to Bolts, we would have won no 17 and probably 18 as well by now.
SOS is not one of the problems he is doing what he can with what he has been handed, he didn’t cut too deep, that was done before he started by that Bastard that is the polar opposite of what the great man we just fired is, he was selfish, egotistical, stubborn, rude, ignorant and didn’t give a toss for our club only about himself and breaking the coaching record.

Change is a must but find the right targets not the ones that are doing all they can to make us great again and Stephen Silvagni is most definately one of those.
 
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