Superbowl

[usalion]

AFL and NFL two different games. While I love the aFFL (even as a Yank), I enjoy watching the NFL as well. The guys are highly athletic (running 40 yards in 4.4 or 4.5 seconds.....

Now- we've given too much hype to the Super Bowl- i only watched the last 40 minutes or so before the game started and I was bored to tears....but the AFL tends to follow the NFL in trends, so the GF will be heading that way soon...already is with all the crap in the 90 minutes before the game....like the parade of the guys retiring, but the singing (apart from Waltzing Matilda and the anthem should be scrapped. Liked when the ressies was the prelim match at the G...but that has disappeared.

Pregame for SB really started two weeks ago...but on the day, it began at 9 AM, a full 9 and a half hours ahead of the actual game......Filled with ads...some of which were quirw good...

 

[Blues_Man]

I like the NFL. Its a different game and a bit of an aquired tase but we are spoilt because we have 100 minutes of non stop action.
The athletes and tactics in gridiron are excellent.
Bit like watching test cricket compared to one dayers though.

i totally enjoyed the cheerleaders part fo the superbowl ..but that was about it , oh and the grass growing on the field was riveting as well

 

[Farrand]

NFL is simply glorified rugby union. The only real differences are, NFL players require padding. You're allowed to pass forward. You can't scrummage. And I think, but don't know for sure, that youcan't pass when running it.

Whereas I can sit though NFL (and I do understand the rules) it is a fairly tasteless sport. It must be the only sport, other the darts and union front rows, that claim fat men to be sports stars.

Then there is the lack of vital positions, with only two positions ever being useful, quarterback and receiver. This says to me, gloried catch.

Plus, they're all paid way too much. It's like soccer in that aspect. Overpaid to play once a week. Overpaid fat men who only have to run in each other to claim their wages.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

Watching the Superbowl proved one thing.

Australian Rules Football is the BEST code of football in the world
by far..

technically it's not a code of football, given the games administrators have changed the official name of the sport to 'AFL'

 

[Karbassiyoon]

Worst. 'Sport'. Ever.

Athletic? lmfao

most AFL players couldn't play a single position in NFL because they aren't strong enough, and those that might be remotely quick enough couldn't jump high enough.

for instance, daniel wells could play NFL, if he had an extra 20kg of muscle

 

[Farrand]

most AFL players couldn't play a single position in NFL because they aren't strong enough, and those that might be remotely quick enough couldn't jump high enough.

for instance, daniel wells could play NFL, if he had an extra 20kg of muscle

You mean not fat enough.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

You mean not fat enough.

given the way freo finished 2004 i'd say most of thier players are fat enough

 

[Mountain West]

Pathetic thread.

Are we that insecure about ourselves that we need to trash other sports because we don't understand them?

Aussie Rules is a great sport. But so is American Football.

JeffDunne, you have summed up this forum (not just this thread, but many) in a nutshell.

Many posters here (names I will not mention) are in serious need of professional help. And, I am only saying this for their own good.

So others won't "prop up" your club or the sport you like. What's the big deal?

 

[Farrand]

given the way freo finished 2004 i'd say most of thier players are fat enough

There's a different between overweight and fat. We finished off overweight, Americans are simply a bunch of tubs tubs in armour.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

There's a different between overweight and fat. We finished off overweight, Americans are simply a bunch of tubs tubs in armour.

tubs in armour who recover from a broken leg in six weeks to sprint like the wind down a sideline after vertically leaping almost a meter from a stationary position

yep, tubs in armour

 

[Professional]

most AFL players couldn't play a single position in NFL because they aren't strong enough, and those that might be remotely quick enough couldn't jump high enough.

for instance, daniel wells could play NFL, if he had an extra 20kg of muscle

Difference is 98% of NFL players use steroids. And AFL players would appear a lot stronger if they too dressed in the girly padding & tights & wore that pathetic helmet.
No football code even comes close to Aussie Rules in skills, athleticism & toughness.

 

[Karbassiyoon]

Difference is 98% of NFL players use steroids. And AFL players would appear a lot stronger if they too dressed in the girly padding & tights & wore that pathetic helmet.
No football code even comes close to Aussie Rules in skills, athleticism & toughness.

for the second time, due to the administration changing the name of the sport to 'AFL' it is technically no longer a code of football, but simply the sport of 'Australian Football League' - hey, just sticking with the admin, they obviously know whats best for the game

and lets see some stats about steroids - who are you, the NFL's version of dale lewis?

 

[Professional]

Many posters here (names I will not mention) are in serious need of professional help.

Only too willing to help.

 

[Farrand]

tubs in armour who recover from a broken leg in six weeks to sprint like the wind down a sideline after vertically leaping almost a meter from a stationary position

yep, tubs in armour

We're not talking about blockers anymore are we. The only thing they leap at is a bucket of fried chicken.
Like I said, there are only two respectable positions, quarterback and receiver. And I'm not surprised they get crippled when lardarses jump ontop of them.

 

[Professional]

and lets see some stats about steroids

You can live you life by stats. I'll use knowledge & commonsense.


Aussie Rules






Every other football code




































Gridiron.

 

[JF_Bay_22_SCG]

NFL is simply glorified rugby union. The only real differences are, NFL players require padding. You're allowed to pass forward. You can't scrummage. And I think, but don't know for sure, that youcan't pass when running it.

Actualy it is far closer to rugby league. In league you get 6 tackles then have to boot it, in the NFL you get four downs. You can give it to the running back/tight end (comparable to taking it up the forwards in league) or opt to throw to the wide receivers/tight ends (throwing the bal around in the back line.)

I was a regular CANADIAN football watcher and far prefer the northern game. With a bigger ball, end zone,playing surface and only 3 downs, you find that the Canadian game is far more suited to passing. Which means far more exciting receptions by the wide receivers. And less drudging for 3 yards by the running backs.

Plus, in US sports the great majority of players play at 50%. If they play at 100% every week, they rish getting injured more easily. And hence may play for say only 4-5 years instead of maybe 10. In the CFL you were earning no more than $CDN 150000, so it remained still a sport rather than a business.

I used to love the NFL when Don Lane had it. I wish the ABC would start that up again. It had such a cult following in those days.

JF

PS:- How many of you bag the stop start nature of NFL football, but continue to watch cricket which has equal or even greater breaks between the bowler's deliveries.

 

[Tezmyster]

NFL is simply glorified rugby union. The only real differences are, NFL players require padding. You're allowed to pass forward. You can't scrummage. but don't know for sure, that youcan't pass when running it.

Historically speaking AFL also developed from rugby union, so what's your point?
And for interests sake American Football and Rugby Union are nothing like each other, though judging by your knowledge of American Football it's hardly surprising you think they're about the same.

Whereas I can sit though NFL (and I do understand the rules) it is a fairly tasteless sport. It must be the only sport, other the darts and union front rows, that claim fat men to be sports stars.

You do know the rules yet in the previous paragraph you said...

You can't scrummage. but don't know for sure, that youcan't pass when running it

...so which one is it, do you know the rules or not?

Then there is the lack of vital positions, with only two positions ever being useful, quarterback and receiver. This says to me, gloried catch.

What about the defense and offensive lines? what about the runners? what about the kickers? or did you forget all of them? If you watched the SuperBowl you would have seen Brady had complete confidence in his offense line giving him time to play the ball most of the time. McNabb was under a lot more pressure as his offensive line didn't hold as strong. Are you telling my they could have played with this apparently irrelevent team mates not there to defend them? That is of course presuming you know who Brady and McNabb are.

Plus, they're all paid way too much. It's like soccer in that aspect. Overpaid to play once a week. Overpaid fat men who only have to run in each other to claim their wages.

It's a national sport that people strive to get to with an income stream the AFL could only dream of. If people are willing to pay that much to see them and advertisers are will to pay that much to advertise during the games then the players deserve to have their share of the pie.

 

[eddiesmith]

You watched the SuperBowl at school?. Tell me this wasnt during classtime. I remember getting to watch the Melbourne Cup as a kid...but the Superbowl?. Surely someones taking the .

We used to watch the test cricket at school if the TV in the room worked on CH9.

On the superbowl, who gives a . Its crap but once a year we have to put up with this overhyped event that is always obvious who will win before the match begins. I just ignore it

 

[Professional]

Why are you tools so upset that a lot of us don't like boring football codes like gridiron & soccer (on THAT other thread). Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're on the AFL forum aren't we?
And if we don't like another code of football, that MUST MEAN that we don't know the rules, or we just haven't givin it a fair go, right? We can't just not like it cause it's an inferior football code to our own? Or it's just plain boring as batshi t?

 

[Tezmyster]

Why are you tools so upset that a lot of us don't like boring football codes like gridiron & soccer (on THAT other thread). Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're on the AFL forum aren't we?

Exactly, this is an AFL forum. This site has an American Football forum as well, so if the entire discussion is just going to be based around NFL then why isn't it posted there?

And if we don't like another code of football, that MUST MEAN that we don't know the rules, or we just haven't givin it a fair go, right? We can't just not like it cause it's an inferior football code to our own? Or it's just plain boring as batshi t?

I presume you're commenting on my post. When someone says "I know the rules" and then says "I don't know if you can do that" it general indicates they don't know the rules.

As I've said previously I prefer AFL, but I've also taken the time to understand NFL and it's rules. When other people here also take that time the people here we do enjoy NFL will be willing to take them seriously. Until then they're just a pack of whingers who can't stand the fact that a football match from another country can be broadcast world wide while their "superior" football code is lucky to have it's games all broadcast in it's own country.

 

[Professional]

a pack of whingers who can't stand the fact that a football match from another country can be broadcast world wide while their "superior" football code is lucky to have it's games all broadcast in it's own country.

Our superior footy code is also broadcast worldwide. Big deal. Who cares who watches it outside of OUR country. It'd get a bigger audience though than the superbowl on SBS for christs sake.
And what do you mean AFL are lucky to have it's games all broadcast in it's own country?

 

[Tezmyster]

Our superior footy code is also broadcast worldwide. Big deal. Who cares who watches it outside of OUR country. It'd get a bigger audience though than the superbowl on SBS for christs sake.
And what do you mean AFL are lucky to have it's games all broadcast in it's own country?

Too true, the AFL is broadcast worldwide. But I could guarantee you if you asked a typical Australian what American Football or Gridiron was they would probably be at least able to give a vague description, if you asked a typical American what AFL is they wouldn't have a clue.

In regards to AFL games getting broadcast in it's own country, if memory serves me correctly people on this site have been complaining about the use of broadcasting rights and how so few games are actually aired, let along aired live. Read through some of the other threads here and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Farrand]

Historically speaking AFL also developed from rugby union, so what's your point?

Yes, but AFL evolved.

And for interests sake American Football and Rugby Union are nothing like each other, though judging by your knowledge of American Football it's hardly surprising you think they're about the same.

Stop the opposition from scoring on either end of the field. Objective of both games, difference is, with NFL you have your offensive and your defensive. With Union you have 15, that's it. Whats the difference then? Stoppage time? Gained possession? It's a slow sport that derived from rugby and the main change was wearing padding.

You do know the rules yet in the previous paragraph you said...
...so which one is it, do you know the rules or not?

I wasn't sure whether you could pass the ball if running is what I said. Apart from that the rules are fairly straightforward.
But as someone said, It's more league then union, so I admit to that.

What about the defense and offensive lines? what about the runners? what about the kickers? or did you forget all of them? If you watched the SuperBowl you would have seen Brady had complete confidence in his offense line giving him time to play the ball most of the time. McNabb was under a lot more pressure as his offensive line didn't hold as strong. Are you telling my they could have played with this apparently irrelevent team mates not there to defend them? That is of course presuming you know who Brady and McNabb are.

Like I mentioned, I can sit through it. Doesn't mean I memorised names such as 'Brady' and 'McNabb'. To be honest, those names don't particularly matter to me.
I did not watch the superbowl, as I found it to be pretty e.
This says to me, too many players. And so I forgot about two more positions equal to two more players. Shame.

It's a national sport that people strive to get to with an income stream the AFL could only dream of. If people are willing to pay that much to see them and advertisers are will to pay that much to advertise during the games then the players deserve to have their share of the pie.

Yet its okay they're getting paid this. 'Their piece of the pie'. Fantastic. Glad we are paying people to do something worthwhile. I always commended the AFL on salary caps. Keeps people in their places.
The fact with that point is that you're encouraging extortion.

 

[Tezmyster]

Yes, but AFL evolved.

Stop the opposition from scoring on either end of the field. Objective of both games, difference is, with NFL you have your offensive and your defensive. With Union you have 15, that's it. Whats the difference then? Stoppage time? Gained possession? It's a slow sport that derived from rugby and the main change was wearing padding.

The idea of AFL is to stop the opposition from scoring on either end of the field as well, doesn't mean they're like each other in gameplay. The NFL just evolved down a different path to the AFL. As for your comparision saying NFL is rugby with padding and some rules changes, it's quite a bit more than I'm afraid.

Yet its okay they're getting paid this. 'Their piece of the pie'. Fantastic. Glad we are paying people to do something worthwhile. I always commended the AFL on salary caps. Keeps people in their places.
The fact with that point is that you're encouraging extortion.

Actually the NFL does have a salary cap, and how exactly am I encouraging extortion

Honestly I wouldn't bother replying if I was you, it's obvious you don't enjoy watching NFL and don't know much about it so I don't really know why you're spending your time bagging it here. Unless of course you're that insecure in the future of AFL you are using this as a safeguard heh heh

 

[Farrand]

The idea of AFL is to stop the opposition from scoring on either end of the field as well, doesn't mean they're like each other in gameplay. The NFL just evolved down a different path to the AFL. As for your comparision saying NFL is rugby with padding and some rules changes, it's quite a bit more than I'm afraid.

Sorry, what more is exactly? Yes, while it is the same deal with AFL and most sports, NFL is simply run in a straight line, gain some possession, flap your arms like you're awesome, cut to commercial, all in one phase. Brilliant game. I'll admit, the play between receivers and quarterbacks is fascinating to watch, great show of athleticism. What spoils it most though is that you've then got 10 or so big, fat guys running into eachother in the middle of this.
What makes it so different?

Actually the NFL does have a salary cap, and how exactly am I encouraging extortion

What exactly is the salary cap then? As far as I know it, depending on how many games you win, and how many points scored depends on how much a club can spend. However, quarterbacks like Peyton Manning of Indiana are being paid up to $10 million.
And then you say, despite this salary cap, players deserve a 'piece of the pie' from advertisement, defeating the purpose of salary caps in the first place. So, a player could get paid $60, 000 a year, yet make double this from advertisement during the NFL season.
All the while, average American families are paying to watch games on Sundays, paying the wages. Then there is the advertisement, subliminal extortion mate. 'Your favourite player drinks diet pepsi (unlikely) go out and drink some as well.' Not only have you got usual companies soving this down your throat, which we don't mind, we're used to, in fact I like drinking diet pepsi myself. But then you've got players, coaches and popstars doing it as well during the superbowl advertisements.
Then take into account of the cost of season tickets, travel costs etc etc. With all this plus the price of advertisment, it reeks slightly of extortion. Maybe not on a large extent, but still so.

Honestly I wouldn't bother replying if I was you, it's obvious you don't enjoy watching NFL and don't know much about it so I don't really know why you're spending your time bagging it here. Unless of course you're that insecure in the future of AFL you are using this as a safeguard heh heh

Reply I did. I now bits of NFL, I never declared myself the NFL specialist, but I know enough.
I'm not particularly insecure about AFL future, if anything, it has exactly the same future as NFL, just on a smaller scale. Both played only by the specific country. Neither looking interested in going international.
And as much as I love AFL, my life doesn't depend on its stability. If it did fold (unlikely) I would always have Union and Cricket to fall back on.