I'm still dreaming of a time where we get to see Jetta and Rohan lined up on opposite wings.
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Toast Swans Top Ten Players - current list
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I'm still dreaming of a time where we get to see Jetta and Rohan lined up on opposite wings.
GotTheGoodes
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... Damn you......
All time most important? (based on what I've seen & Read)
Plugger, Kelly, Maxfield, Kirky, Skilton, Goodes, Carroll, Rantall, Bedford & Pratt (could even include Capper
on pure pull-a-billity and Roos for Coach. Even Hall based on his dominance in 05/06)All time favourites? (Based on what I've seen, even so far)
Kelly, Kirky, Goodesy, J.Bolton, LRT, Kennelly, Plugger, MOL, Hanners, Jack (Roos as Coach)
(just mised out Cressa, Dunkley, Maxfield, Hall, Teddy and many others though)
MOST IMPORTANT (differs from top 10)
1. McVeigh
He's now clearly the heart and soul of this club. Dependable, skillful and knows when the tide is going against us and how to change it. He leads our goal scoring to date and is overall our best player.
2. Tippett
How many 21 yr old KPF players are basically the sole focus up forward for their club? That's where Tippett's value becomes so obvious. Not only will he provide a big strong marking target, he'll in a sense provide two by bringing Reid into the game.
3. Pyke
Now our most reliable mark and an increasingly reliable shot at goal, Pyke is becoming a player that you can build a game plan around. Similar to Jetta last year (with less devastating results) Pyke is now a vital link between our HB's and mids and the goal posts.
4. Jack
Even though we have guys who can play the two-way role well enough, none do it better than Kieren Jack. A player who can shut down and counter Ablett like Jack did are like hens teeth in this game.
5. Alex Johnson
I can't remember a young player owning a position as quickly as AJ did in his first season for Sydney. He's quick, has great hands and plays like he has a veteran head on 21 yr old body. Due to his age he's now comfortably more important than any of our other defenders.
6. Hannebery
No Swan is tougher than this kid, and that's no slight on any of them because Hanners is as hard as nails. His passion, hardness and eye for goal makes him invaluable to our side.
7. Jetta
It's probably easy to forget the damage he can cause at full pace, as we haven't seen it this year. Only when he returns to his best will we truly remember how he can take the game away from the opposition with one electric burst.
8. Smith
Our only true small defender who can take almost anyone out of the game. There's not a lot more to say, he just plays the glove role so well and is no slouch as a midfielder.
9. Roberts-Thompson
This guy is definitely our own Mr. Fixit and when he does eventually hang up the boots he'll be missed more than some would like to admit. Whenever there's a hole to plug up forward or down back, or as a pinch hitter ruckman, he's the man.
10. Reid
Similar to Tippett in the sense that we need both of them, at least until Reid can handle the attention he receives. Even when not kicking goals he's got great hands (see the pass to McGlynn that led to an LRT mark in the F50) and if he doesn't mark the ball he brings it down to one of our many goal kicking midfielders. There's no replacement in the reserves for Reid.
UNLUCKY
Goodes, Kennedy, Shaw and Malceski.
1. McVeigh
He's now clearly the heart and soul of this club. Dependable, skillful and knows when the tide is going against us and how to change it. He leads our goal scoring to date and is overall our best player.
2. Tippett
How many 21 yr old KPF players are basically the sole focus up forward for their club? That's where Tippett's value becomes so obvious. Not only will he provide a big strong marking target, he'll in a sense provide two by bringing Reid into the game.
3. Pyke
Now our most reliable mark and an increasingly reliable shot at goal, Pyke is becoming a player that you can build a game plan around. Similar to Jetta last year (with less devastating results) Pyke is now a vital link between our HB's and mids and the goal posts.
4. Jack
Even though we have guys who can play the two-way role well enough, none do it better than Kieren Jack. A player who can shut down and counter Ablett like Jack did are like hens teeth in this game.
5. Alex Johnson
I can't remember a young player owning a position as quickly as AJ did in his first season for Sydney. He's quick, has great hands and plays like he has a veteran head on 21 yr old body. Due to his age he's now comfortably more important than any of our other defenders.
6. Hannebery
No Swan is tougher than this kid, and that's no slight on any of them because Hanners is as hard as nails. His passion, hardness and eye for goal makes him invaluable to our side.
7. Jetta
It's probably easy to forget the damage he can cause at full pace, as we haven't seen it this year. Only when he returns to his best will we truly remember how he can take the game away from the opposition with one electric burst.
8. Smith
Our only true small defender who can take almost anyone out of the game. There's not a lot more to say, he just plays the glove role so well and is no slouch as a midfielder.
9. Roberts-Thompson
This guy is definitely our own Mr. Fixit and when he does eventually hang up the boots he'll be missed more than some would like to admit. Whenever there's a hole to plug up forward or down back, or as a pinch hitter ruckman, he's the man.
10. Reid
Similar to Tippett in the sense that we need both of them, at least until Reid can handle the attention he receives. Even when not kicking goals he's got great hands (see the pass to McGlynn that led to an LRT mark in the F50) and if he doesn't mark the ball he brings it down to one of our many goal kicking midfielders. There's no replacement in the reserves for Reid.
UNLUCKY
Goodes, Kennedy, Shaw and Malceski.
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Just go to a Top 14 coz they're all so f***ing spesh.
The King!
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Good list id almost put jetta higher, as we suffer so much when he is quiet
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Kennedy is in the top ten. You can't put both KPF's in before Kennedy. That's ridiculous.
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Kennedy has to be top 5
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Ted Richards doesn't even get an "unlucky"? Really?
If we are looking at the structurally most important players in the team you need to consider the way we play the game. Our game plan has three fundamental elements:
1. Control stopages and clearences.
2. Negate opponent entries inside 50.
3. Rebound quickly from defence into attack.
That is what won us the premiership last year (and it is also what lost us the game against Geelong last Friday - we didn't execute it).
When you consider those three elements, it becomes clear who our most important players are.
Working backwards through the list, the most important players for creating our rebound are Shaw, Johnson, Malceski and Jetta. The most important players for negating our opponents attack are Richards, Grundy and Smith. Our most important players for controlling the stopages and clearences are Pyke, Mumford, Kennedy, Jack, McVeigh, Hannebery, O'Keefe.
I've just named 14 players. Considering the fact that we didn't execute our game plan succesfully last Friday, look at the output of those named players.
Amongst the rebounders neither Shaw nor Johnson were on the field. Jetta did more or less nothing. Only Malceski stepped up.
How about the negating defenders? Motlop won the duel against Smith, kicking three goals. Richards started well on Hawkins, but as the game progressed Hawkins got on top and also kicked three. Grundy did a good job of ensuring that the bulk of Podsiadly's possessions were further up the ground.
Then the clearence players. Pyke and Mumford seemed to get first hand to the ball a fair bit but it didn't get converted into clearences. The really quiet game was from Kennedy, who is the most important clearence player in the team. McVeigh, Jack and Hannebery good games, particularly McVeigh and Hannebery getting forward to score us important goals. O'Keefe wasn't bad but it wasn't his best game. Looking at the rest of the midfield, Bolton had a lower level of contested possessions than he might once have had, but again scored some goals, indicative of the changes to his role in the team. Parker, the guy that is being molded as the second comign of Jude Bolton, had a very quiet game compared to the first three games of the season.
Missing our most important rebounders, two key defenders losing their matchups, our main extractor having a quiet game... and we lose. Not a suprise.
If we persist with this style of play, the forwards are relatively less important. We have shown we can win without our forwards scoring many goals - we will score them through our midfielders because of our ability to shut down our opponents attack and make the quick transfer out of defence. Having a forward line functioning at a lower than optimal level doesn't help, but it isn't as vital to our game as our midfield and defence executing the game plan. 10 is an arbitrary number so I'm not going to try to work out which of McVeigh or Hannebery is more important, but the 10 most important players in our team are all defenders, midfielders or ruckmen.
4 games in, I'd change my order, and Kieran Jack in for Lewis Jetta.
Goodes
Pyke
Mummy
LRT
Kennedy
McVeigh
ROK
Jack
Richards
Shaw
Unlucky: Hannebery and Grundy
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completely agree. And I will throw an extra name in the mix - someone who gets very little love on this board. I think Mattner is one of our most critical players. while smith plays one on one very well he very rarely gets across to help out the taller defenders. Mattner however is often the person tasked to swing over to be third man up as our two kpd are often outsized. he also plays tight enough on a difficult small, and he plays as a genuine wingman on the bigger grounds. it was no coincidence that on friday night he was getting dragged out of the play and was unable to impact the contests where teddy was one out with a much bigger opponent.
this is the difficulty with our side. it fundamentally is very even where every player is required to do their job. when they are down - and fortunately it is not too often - they go down as a team and it is often due to being beaten at the stoppage (ie the importance of the midfielders and the half forward flankers to lock the ball in or only let it get scrambled forwards) with the opponent breaking and kicking long to one out forwards where mal or mattner cant impact the contest. if you think about richmond where riewoldt towelled up teddy last year, north the year before where petrie towelled up teddy, the semi-final where buddy beat ted again, cloke belting up on grundy in almost every collingwood game, it is almost always because mattner, johnson or mal cant get to the contest and the ball is moved out of the centre very fast.
In some respects this is why geelong is hard for us. when their smalls are up and running each of the defenders seeks to lock down on their direct opponent and becomes very man conscious. that might help them but it actually doesnt help the team all that much since it just leaves the one out problem.
Fair enough critisisms, but I stand by my list. I had an eye on the future which is why I chose AJ ahead of Richards and Grundy in defence but it's a top 10 so a few really good players have to miss out.
When comparing Smith with Mattner I have Smith ahead because Smith could do Mattner's role and midfield but I don't see Mattner doing Smith's role as effectively.
Reid's impact on bringing our mids (i.e. small forwards) into the game is underrated. If he wasn't making a contest and bringing the ball to ground we wouldn't see as many 2-3 goal hauls from the likes of McVeigh, Bolton etc. That makes him very important to out set-up.
As for Kennedy there's no doubt he's a star and one of our top 3-4 players but the midfield engine would keep rolling on relatively smoothly if he was to miss a few weeks. Ultimately it would test us but not as much as the loss of a KPD, KPF or one of our running backs.
When comparing Smith with Mattner I have Smith ahead because Smith could do Mattner's role and midfield but I don't see Mattner doing Smith's role as effectively.
Reid's impact on bringing our mids (i.e. small forwards) into the game is underrated. If he wasn't making a contest and bringing the ball to ground we wouldn't see as many 2-3 goal hauls from the likes of McVeigh, Bolton etc. That makes him very important to out set-up.
As for Kennedy there's no doubt he's a star and one of our top 3-4 players but the midfield engine would keep rolling on relatively smoothly if he was to miss a few weeks. Ultimately it would test us but not as much as the loss of a KPD, KPF or one of our running backs.
The King!
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If mattner is a key we are screwed
ISAAC_9864
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1. Goodes
2. Kennedy
3. McVeigh
4. ROK
5. Hannebery
6. Jack
7. Richards
8. Shaw
9. Reid
10. Jetta
Last year, Jetta would have been No. 3 but he hasn't done anything this year. I would put ROK, Hannebery and Jack on the same level and goodes is just the biggest star of them all.
2. Kennedy
3. McVeigh
4. ROK
5. Hannebery
6. Jack
7. Richards
8. Shaw
9. Reid
10. Jetta
Last year, Jetta would have been No. 3 but he hasn't done anything this year. I would put ROK, Hannebery and Jack on the same level and goodes is just the biggest star of them all.
swansfan51
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Tippett is a fair way ahead of Reid. When I did this list I had him as 2nd, based on the fact we have nobody that could fill that role as well.
stevoswan
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Finally , Hanners gets rated in the top five! I'd have him in the top 4, he's a gun and displays the 'Bloods' ethos as good as any, week in, week out. Has courage, talent, leadership in spades and sets the example of the consumate, dedicated professional to his team mates every time he pulls on the boots....definitely top 4 on current form and future importance to the club
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, Hanners gets rated in the top five! I'd have him in the top 4, he's a gun and displays the 'Bloods' ethos as good as any, week in, week out. Has courage, talent, leadership in spades and sets the example of the consumate, dedicated professional to his team mates every time he pulls on the boots....definitely top 4 on current form and future importance to the club ....
SM
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In no order:
1. Goodes
2. McVeigh
3. Jack
4. Richards
5. LRT
6. Reid
7. Tippett
8. Smith
9. Mumford
10. Pyke
1. Goodes
2. McVeigh
3. Jack
4. Richards
5. LRT
6. Reid
7. Tippett
8. Smith
9. Mumford
10. Pyke
nicky1995
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My opinion only
1 Adam Goodes ( until he can no longer walk....he is the Swans)
2 Josh Kennedy
3 Jarrod McVeigh
4 Shane Mumford
5 Keiran Jack
6 Ted Richards
7 Daniel Hannebery
8 Nick Smith
9 Sam Reid
10 Jude Bolton (we wont know how much he really contributes till he is gone big hole when he does)
could also be Nick Malcheski Ryan Okeefe and Shaw
Very difficult to do actually when one of the first picked is Mattner - so all the bagging is fan based only, he is highly regarded by the club.
1 Adam Goodes ( until he can no longer walk....he is the Swans)
2 Josh Kennedy
3 Jarrod McVeigh
4 Shane Mumford
5 Keiran Jack
6 Ted Richards
7 Daniel Hannebery
8 Nick Smith
9 Sam Reid
10 Jude Bolton (we wont know how much he really contributes till he is gone big hole when he does)
could also be Nick Malcheski Ryan Okeefe and Shaw
Very difficult to do actually when one of the first picked is Mattner - so all the bagging is fan based only, he is highly regarded by the club.
swansfan51
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Anyone who bagged Amon Buchanan needed to be sat down with a copy of the 2005 Grand Final. He kicked the winning goal and was listed 3rd best, then was gradually marginalised then turfed out.
Anyone that bags Nick Davis needs to to be sat down and watch the final quarter of 2005 semi final.
And he is doing a super job as a runner.
