Opinion Sydney Swans Academy and Rebuild

Academies, friend or foe


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I can see what you’re arguing but I just want to reiterate that the AFL don’t actually care whether the system is fair or not. They just want to incentivise the continued development of AFL quality players in non traditional markets.

100%.

Which is why fans of 14 clubs don't like it. Sydney bear the brunt of the criticism because their academy has been the most successful and the academy period has coincided with Sydney already being strong on field.

GC and GWS are expansion clubs, Brisbane were out of finals for almost a decade and bottom 4 fodder for about half that time.
 
I’m astounded at the continual attempts to downplay the achievement of teams in this competition.

If it’s not umpiring it’s rule changes, if it’s not rule changes it’s venues, if it’s not venues it’s the draw - even when the accusation is so flimsy that it relies on the assumption that the afl can predict the future. If it’s not the draw it’s priority picks, if it’s not priority picks it’s compromised drafts, if it’s not compromised drafts it is COLA, if it’s not COLA it’s academies, if it’s not academies it’s VicBias.

F***en shut up and stop making excuses for why clubs succeed and look at what they do on the field for f***s sake.
 
No preferential access = no Swans funding = no academy = no Mills, Heeney etc.

Also 4 x 10 academy picks in 7 years to a club that played finals in 5 of those years isn't an advantage because go home factor.

Change the academy rules.
We'll just hide all the good ones and/or ask them to tank their draft interviews. If we have too many in the one year, we'll let them go to a Vic club to develop, then pick them up on the cheap after their rookie contract expires.
Then we'll win 5 flags.
Because it's that easy.
 

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I’m astounded at the continual attempts to downplay the achievement of teams in this competition.

If it’s not umpiring it’s rule changes, if it’s not rule changes it’s venues, if it’s not venues it’s the draw - even when the accusation is so flimsy that it relies on the assumption that the afl can predict the future. If it’s not the draw it’s priority picks, if it’s not priority picks it’s compromised drafts, if it’s not compromised drafts it is COLA, if it’s not COLA it’s academies, if it’s not academies it’s VicBias.

F***en shut up and stop making excuses for why clubs succeed and look at what they do on the field for f***s sake.
No one's trying to downplay achievements, infact the point is that Sydney is now a very successful club for a very long period that the draft concessions don't make sense.

Change the academy rules.
We'll just hide all the good ones and/or ask them to tank their draft interviews. If we have too many in the one year, we'll let them go to a Vic club to develop, then pick them up on the cheap after their rookie contract expires.
Then we'll win 5 flags.
Because it's that easy.

Great so you agree we should change the academy rules
 
I can see what you’re arguing but I just want to reiterate that the AFL don’t actually care whether the system is fair or not. They just want to incentivise the continued development of AFL quality players in non traditional markets.
I don't think most understand the point of the academies. This is without talking about how it's integrated into the draft.

There is no TAC Cup for the players to get serious time in, they aren't coached by hall of famers with top tier S&C programs at private school - without the academies you slog it out in AFL Sydney (or Qld equivalent) which is a pretty shit level and then essentially hope recruiters put a bit of stock into form in that comp. Meaningful opportunities for development like the Allies are few and far between.

This is not to say footballers of high quality can't come out of NSW/QLD w/o Academies as obviously they did beforehand. But certainly the scope and ceiling for this is a lot lower.

So with the establishment that the academies are a positive for player development in these regions, the next step is how to fund them. Which then leads to providing an incentive to do so; clearly the AFL (i.e. by proxy the other clubs) aren't particularly interested so here we are.
 
I’m astounded at the continual attempts to downplay the achievement of teams in this competition.

If it’s not umpiring it’s rule changes, if it’s not rule changes it’s venues, if it’s not venues it’s the draw - even when the accusation is so flimsy that it relies on the assumption that the afl can predict the future. If it’s not the draw it’s priority picks, if it’s not priority picks it’s compromised drafts, if it’s not compromised drafts it is COLA, if it’s not COLA it’s academies, if it’s not academies it’s VicBias.

F***en shut up and stop making excuses for why clubs succeed and look at what they do on the field for f***s sake.
Tall poppy syndrome and inferiority complex run deep within the majority of Australians. You just have to look at any thread started on here regarding positivity, negative trolls are always quick to derail the thread topic and look for ways to degrade the achievements discussed.

For instance, my thread on this board talking about my club getting a million people through the gate this year, and how it's the first time a club has gotten over a million people through the gate since covid, was derailed by trolls with tall poppy syndrome and inferiority complex.

These people need to look at ways for themselves to get better, and football clubs need to look for ways to improve, rather than trying to cut down the tall poppies and degrade their achievements. The AFL has never been this even thanks to all the equalisation policies in place, just look at the winning streaks thread that's been running for 10 years and see how much fewer club vs club winning streaks of 5+ wins there are now compared to 5 or 10 years ago.

Interstate clubs need to find ways to get better instead of complaining about having to win finals at the MCG. There are two interstate clubs constantly relevant and contending for premierships - Sydney and West Coast. Both clubs have been more relevant and successful than all Victorian clubs excluding Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn. Yes I know Brisbane and Richmond won 3 flags but both clubs were only relevant for a brief period before settling back into mediocrity.

Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Sydney and West Coast are constantly relevant and contending for premierships. Hawthorn and West Coast may be rubbish at the moment but I know both clubs will be back in premiership contention before we know it. They don't spend years and years rebuilding like Gold Coast, Essendon and Carlton.

TL;DR - Stop making excuses for why you've failed and look for ways to improve yourself instead of trying to drag down successful people to your level. Same goes for football clubs.
 
Reckon Sydney & GWS get advantage of Melbourne based players with huge profiles wanting to get out of the limelight.
We don't get that in Perth, nor does the Adelaide clubs.
Brizzy probably get an advantage here as well.
Just think if Freo had an academy, Jackson and Chad would be a tantalising combo

How often does that actually happen?

The last big player we attracted who wanted to "escape the limelight" was 9 years ago, not even comparable to the frequency in which players from Victoria, SA and WA force their way home and leave their club to get shafted.


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I'm interested to hear what advantages Melbourne have been given over Sydney.

Already been posted, ad nauseam.

By myself and others, just shortly before this post of yours.

You’re welcome to offer a rebuttal at any time aside from covering your ears and closing your eyes.


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Change the academy rules.
We'll just hide all the good ones and/or ask them to tank their draft interviews. If we have too many in the one year, we'll let them go to a Vic club to develop, then pick them up on the cheap after their rookie contract expires.
Then we'll win 5 flags.
Because it's that easy.

Waste of energy. He’s a known Sydney hater and never ever offers any logical reasoning or alternatives but just spews and rambles about how unfair it all is.

Ironic from a supporter of a club that won half their flags from taking advantage of having an entire state to themselves. It’s gotten a bit harder for them since then.
 

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Tall poppy syndrome and inferiority complex run deep within the majority of Australians. You just have to look at any thread started on here regarding positivity, negative trolls are always quick to derail the thread topic and look for ways to degrade the achievements discussed.

For instance, my thread on this board talking about my club getting a million people through the gate this year, and how it's the first time a club has gotten over a million people through the gate since covid, was derailed by trolls with tall poppy syndrome and inferiority complex.

These people need to look at ways for themselves to get better, and football clubs need to look for ways to improve, rather than trying to cut down the tall poppies and degrade their achievements. The AFL has never been this even thanks to all the equalisation policies in place, just look at the winning streaks thread that's been running for 10 years and see how much fewer club vs club winning streaks of 5+ wins there are now compared to 5 or 10 years ago.

Interstate clubs need to find ways to get better instead of complaining about having to win finals at the MCG. There are two interstate clubs constantly relevant and contending for premierships - Sydney and West Coast. Both clubs have been more relevant and successful than all Victorian clubs excluding Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn. Yes I know Brisbane and Richmond won 3 flags but both clubs were only relevant for a brief period before settling back into mediocrity.

Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Sydney and West Coast are constantly relevant and contending for premierships. Hawthorn and West Coast may be rubbish at the moment but I know both clubs will be back in premiership contention before we know it. They don't spend years and years rebuilding like Gold Coast, Essendon and Carlton.

TL;DR - Stop making excuses for why you've failed and look for ways to improve yourself instead of trying to drag down successful people to your level. Same goes for football clubs.

I am only here trying to figure out how you get 6 in the All Australian U22’s

I only know this because BT said it 68 times during the game

So how did you?

Academy or Draft or wat?

Because I tell you wat, try being and following the worst team in our history in 90 years
 
I am only here trying to figure out how you get 6 in the All Australian U22’s

I only know this because BT said it 68 times during the game

So how did you?

Academy or Draft or wat?

Because I tell you wat, try being and following the worst team in our history in 90 years

It was the squad, not the team, but anyway, of the squad

Nick Blakey - Academy selection. Pick 10. A lucky selection to be honest.
Tom McCartin - Picked him up in late second round of the 2017 draft. Anyone could have drafted him.
Chad Warner - Picked up in the third round of the 2019 draft. Anyone could have selected him.
James Rowbottom - Picked up mid 20's in the 2018 draft. Anyone could have selected him.
Justin McInerney - Picked up in the third round of the 2018 draft. Anyone could have selected him.
Errol Gulden - Academy selection Picked up in the late second round of the 2019 draft. Didn't have the points for him if someone bid on him in the top 15.
 
Vics like the oldest child they want everything and they want their siblings to have nothing.
Whinge about cola whilst 3rd party payments/jobs for family In big vic clubs was greater.
Whinge about academies (and got their own academies) whilst bringing guys in with the go home factor:
Cats: Dangerfield Cameron +
Dees: Langdon May lever
Tiges: lynch Prestia
Blues: Williams cerra Martin.
 
Vics like the oldest child they want everything and they want their siblings to have nothing.
Whinge about cola whilst 3rd party payments/jobs for family In big vic clubs was greater.
Whinge about academies (and got their own academies) whilst bringing guys in with the go home factor:
Cats: Dangerfield Cameron +
Dees: Langdon May lever
Tiges: lynch Prestia
Blues: Williams cerra Martin.

Not to mention them not losing players to the go-home factor nearly as much as the non-Victorian teams. A really bad Victorian team largely keeps their players, but a really bad non-Victorian team leaks players like a sieve. Would have been much harder for Melbourne to rebuild if they were losing players every year to the go home factor.
 
Freo fans: Swans academies are too much of a leg up. Why don't we have the same advantages?

Nek minnit: Jackson will be a great get for Flagmantle. Will play well with Wilson and Acres. Use our go home advantage to build our team, the same way Melbourne did with May and Lever
Pull your head in.
Call out the posters not the team.
 
Vics like the oldest child they want everything and they want their siblings to have nothing.
Whinge about cola whilst 3rd party payments/jobs for family In big vic clubs was greater.
Whinge about academies (and got their own academies) whilst bringing guys in with the go home factor:
Cats: Dangerfield Cameron +
Dees: Langdon May lever
Tiges: lynch Prestia
Blues: Williams cerra Martin.

You mean players that were traded for?

Franklin Locket Hall the end.
 

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