Sydney's record in grand finals needs scrutinising

[theprospector]

And I’m not allowed to defend the club? A bit rich…

And don’t call me mate

Of course you can defend them mate but it’s worth at least acknowledging how poor they were

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yeah, to be fair to the Pies, they tend to drag themselves into Grand Finals that they have no business being in.

Soz for the late reply, but you're right, 43 GF's (excluding draws) says the Pies win flags by weight of numbers and backs up your point. Same with Swans but with less weight of numbers, but the failure rate is similar.

No one can confidently say that 16 wins and 27 losses is something to write home about.

'At least we get there' for both Swan and Pie fans is a weak argument, like yourself I know the pain of should've won flags.

Is it better to follow a Saints or Fremantle and avoid the pain? Or is better to have hope dashed in a seemingly false dawn?

Up for debate.

and have been unlucky enough to run into some super sides over the journey.

02 and 03 come to mind and probably 80, however 11 it's hard to argue, the Pies had one of the most dominant seasons in the history of the comp, 20-2 with a percentage of 167, second highest ever behind the machine of 27-30 and still couldn't pull off a flag. The only 3 games we lost including the GF was against the premier.

I'd also argue WC in 2018, they weren't exactly head and shoulders above everyone else, but was our bogey team, we just happened to run into em in the GF.

There's also been years where Collingwood was the favourite throughout the season to win the whole box and dice, and couldn't pull it off, 77 (and 11) comes to mind, certainly 70. My first memory as a 7 yo in 77 is miserable and then the years that followed was just tragic (79-81).

Yeah we can commiserate with Swans fans about their poor GF record, but the Pies isn't much better either.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Just like Port of the early 2000s. In finals …mentally weak. My dad says as much and he is a Swans supporter. Why is this contentious?

Actually our finals record is extremely good apart from grand finals.

 

[peetoo]

Actually our finals record is extremely good apart from grand finals.

Might be good but not extremely so

 

[Gavin Excell]

Soz for the late reply, but you're right, 43 GF's (excluding draws) says the Pies win flags by weight of numbers and backs up your point. Same with Swans but with less weight of numbers, but the failure rate is similar.

No one can confidently say that 16 wins and 27 losses is something to write home about.

'At least we get there' for both Swan and Pie fans is a weak argument, like yourself I know the pain of should've won flags.

Is it better to follow a Saints or Fremantle and avoid the pain? Or is better to have hope dashed in a seemingly false dawn?

Up for debate.

02 and 03 come to mind and probably 80, however 11 it's hard to argue, the Pies had one of the most dominant seasons in the history of the comp, 20-2 with a percentage of 167, second highest ever behind the machine of 27-30 and still couldn't pull off a flag. The only 3 games we lost including the GF was against the premier.

I'd also argue WC in 2018, they weren't exactly head and shoulders above everyone else, but was our bogey team, we just happened to run into em in the GF.

There's also been years where Collingwood was the favourite throughout the season to win the whole box and dice, and couldn't pull it off, 77 (and 11) comes to mind, certainly 70. My first memory as a 7 yo in 77 is miserable and then the years that followed was just tragic (79-81).

Yeah we can commiserate with Swans fans about their poor GF record, but the Pies isn't much better either.

2018 was the one that got away for sure
But all clubs have those

2011 Pies had an excellent season but lost 3 times to the premier which on any indication suggests they weren't the best team that season

Re Swans it's the manner of those recent GF losses that would rankle the most. Pies to their credit always seem to put up a fight, but not sure can say the same thing about Sydney

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Might be good but not extremely so

I think we’re splitting hairs. We’ve made five grand finals in twelve years. That suggests we’re pretty good in finals.

 

[peetoo]

I think we’re splitting hairs. We’ve made five grand finals in twelve years. That suggests we’re pretty good in finals.

Your standards are lower. Better than freo I suppose

 

[Lingsface]

Luke Parker was probably their best player as well in the last one.
They have made similar amount of Grand Finals to the 90's cats the difference is they won one.

 

[WillHayward]

Soz for the late reply, but you're right, 43 GF's (excluding draws) says the Pies win flags by weight of numbers and backs up your point. Same with Swans but with less weight of numbers, but the failure rate is similar.

No one can confidently say that 16 wins and 27 losses is something to write home about.

'At least we get there' for both Swan and Pie fans is a weak argument, like yourself I know the pain of should've won flags.

Is it better to follow a Saints or Fremantle and avoid the pain? Or is better to have hope dashed in a seemingly false dawn?

Up for debate.

02 and 03 come to mind and probably 80, however 11 it's hard to argue, the Pies had one of the most dominant seasons in the history of the comp, 20-2 with a percentage of 167, second highest ever behind the machine of 27-30 and still couldn't pull off a flag. The only 3 games we lost including the GF was against the premier.

I'd also argue WC in 2018, they weren't exactly head and shoulders above everyone else, but was our bogey team, we just happened to run into em in the GF.

There's also been years where Collingwood was the favourite throughout the season to win the whole box and dice, and couldn't pull it off, 77 (and 11) comes to mind, certainly 70. My first memory as a 7 yo in 77 is miserable and then the years that followed was just tragic (79-81).

Yeah we can commiserate with Swans fans about their poor GF record, but the Pies isn't much better either.

But everyone agrees making GFs is a positive.

At least the. pies put in a fight and nearly won .

The issue is the Swans getting absolutely obliterated and lying down and avoiding body contact

At least Scotty Burns put himself In harms way. He put his body on the line.

Swans players jump out the way.

That's the problem . So win loss data is just not relevant

 

[Freomaniac]

Those Geelong teams at least had the excuse of being massive underdogs.

Sydney would have started strong favourites in at least three of their four losses.

Yeah geelongs grand final sides of 1989, 1992, 1994 and 1995 had excuses of being underdogs.

But in the general view, the one grand final of those 4 the cats should of won in that period was 1992.

 

[Catsnlakers]

Yeah geelongs grand final sides of 1989, 1992, 1994 and 1995 had excuses of being underdogs.

But in the general view, the one grand final of those 4 the cats should of won in that period was 1992.

Wouldn’t say “should of” the Eagles had already beaten us in that finals series and in the 91 finals series also, but out of the 4 it was definitely the best chance, I’d say we were slight underdogs, but with how the match started it certainly gave cause for optimism. On topic I think this Swans team has one key ingredient missing, that’s proper resilience, yes they can score quickly and look amazing, but I just don’t see a team with grit, especially when you compare it to previous Swans premiership teams, who from a neutral supporter’s perspective had that in spades. As silly as it sounds I believe they need to have a start to the year where they’re down a few soldiers to injury, learn to rely on others and fight abit more. Both Richmond in 2019 and Geelong in 2009 had much worse runs with injury during the season than the previous year, and therefore played more close matches and relied on the “squad” more, and it held them in great stead come the finals.

 

[peetoo]

Conversation should have been is 2022. 2024 is just surplus