Current Synagogue Firebombing - Melbourne * Investigated as a terrorist attack

[Kurve]

Here comes the crackdown.

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

Twenty-one AFP police and analysts, who are an experienced squad of counter terrorism investigators, will deploy nationally to incidents to investigate:

• Urging violence against members of groups;
• Advocating Terrorism;
• Advocating Genocide;
• Using a carriage service to make a threat; and
• Using a carriage service to menace or harass.

AFP to lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate anti-Semitism | Australian Federal Police

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

www.afp.gov.au

 

[jason_recliner]

But I do doubt your assertion that it's only "right wing peanuts" who are also pissed off with the events of October 7

Except I didn't say that.

 

[FIGJAM]

Except I didn't say that.

You didn't exactly, because you just put in a heap of emotive language that is designed to obfuscate an exceedingly complicated issue, so that you can label people.

I just cut to the chase.

 

[jason_recliner]

You didn't exactly, because you just put in a heap of emotive language that is designed to obfuscate an exceedingly complicated issue, so that you can label people.

I just cut to the chase.

No, I claimed (quite clearly, I thought) that only right wing peanuts are not angry about Israel's response to October 7 and consider it acceptable and proportionate.

 

[FIGJAM]

No, I claimed (quite clearly, I thought) that only right wing peanuts are not angry about Israel's response to October 7 and consider it acceptable and proportionate.

Israel's response is more than 'just' to October 7 and the war crime of continuing to hold hostages.

I have said before that Israel's best approach would have been to do exactly nothing and embarrass Hamas into submission.

But Hamas / Iran knew full well that that wouldn't happen with a right wing Israeli government and they have gotten the response that they were literally seeking. That's not to excuse Israel's part in it, but to include both of the responsible entities in our consideration of events.

 

[faible]

Israel's response is more than 'just' to October 7 and the war crime of continuing to hold hostages.

I have said before that Israel's best approach would have been to do exactly nothing and embarrass Hamas into submission.

But Hamas / Iran knew full well that that wouldn't happen with a right wing Israeli government and they have gotten the response that they were literally seeking. That's not to excuse Israel's part in it, but to include both of the responsible entities in our consideration of events.

And Hamas’ response is to more than just one incident.

I don’t believe anyone has denied there’s a lot of history leading up to where we’re currently at.

 

[BFew]

That it was a Synagogue firebombed suggests it was a politically or religiously motivated attack.

There's no group behind this pushing a political or religious ideology, so it's not terrorism.

Here's the VIC Police presser yesterday on the matter

"likely to be a politically motivated attack"

AFP establishes antisemitism taskforce after Melbourne synagogue attack

Police have announced the Adass Israel Synagogue firebombing is now being investigated as a terrorist incident.

www.sbs.com.au

'AFP deputy commissioner for national security, Krissy Barrett, confirmed it is now being treated as a terrorist incident, describing it as a "politically motivated attack".'

 

[FIGJAM]

And Hamas’ response is to more than just one incident.

I don’t believe anyone has denied there’s a lot of history leading up to where we’re currently at.

It you list the Jews perspective of all of the wrongdoings to them on one side of the ledger and only read them out and they are an inexplicably persecuted native people to the area.

Do the same for the Palestinians on the other side of the ledger, then they an inexplicably persecuted native people to the area.

The cycle never stops if people can't get away from the opposing extremes. It's why my point against jason_recliner in this instance is that his "30,000 > 700 dead innocents" isn't helpful generally to any resolution and only adds fuel to the fire (so to speak) for burnings to synagogues and setting fire of Islamic school buses ( in Melbourne and Radelaide FFS!).

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It you list the Jews perspective of all of the wrongdoings to them on one side of the ledger and only read them out and they are an inexplicably persecuted native people to the area.

Do the same for the Palestinians on the other side of the ledger, then they an inexplicably persecuted native people to the area.

The cycle never stops if people can't get away from the opposing extremes. It's why my point against jason_recliner in this instance is that his "30,000 > 700 dead innocents" isn't helpful generally to any resolution and only adds fuel to the fire (so to speak) for burnings to synagogues and setting fire of Islamic school buses ( in Melbourne and Radelaide FFS!).

The fire in the school bus is being treated as opportunistic and not premeditated, at this stage.

Update - Investigation into school bus fire

Investigations into a suspicious school bus fire in Reynella overnight have so far not identified any evidence to indicate it was racially or politically motivated.

www.police.sa.gov.au

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Does anybody know if it's true that activists are allowed to gather outside places of worship such as synagogues, to protest against Israel?

I'm confident you can't in NSW but can in anything goes Victoria.

 

[Kurve]

I'm confident you can't in NSW but can in anything goes Victoria.

There are safe access zone laws around clinics, I don't know why those laws can't quickly be applied to places of worship.

It shouldn't be that complicated.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

There are safe access zone laws around clinics, I don't know why those laws can't quickly be applied to places of worship.

It shouldn't be that complicated.

I've heard discussions about the NSW permit system and they reckon a group would never get a permit to protest outside a place of worship as it would be purely inflammatory.

 

[FIGJAM]

The fire in the school bus is being treated as opportunistic and not premeditated, at this stage.

Update - Investigation into school bus fire

Investigations into a suspicious school bus fire in Reynella overnight have so far not identified any evidence to indicate it was racially or politically motivated.

www.police.sa.gov.au

Fair enough and thanks.

Having grown up in Adelaide as a teenager, wanton destruction is high up on the Tripadvisor's list of 'Things To Do'.

 

[Teagueeee15]

I'm confident you can't in NSW but can in anything goes Victoria.

I’m pretty sure there was a pro Palestine protest in Sydney just last week (outside the Great Synagogue) where worshippers had to be locked inside for 3 hours to protect them. As a result Mimms said he wants to implement laws to make protesting outside places of worship illegal.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I’m pretty sure there was a pro Palestine protest in Sydney just last week (outside the Great Synagogue) where worshippers had to be locked inside for 3 hours to protect them. As a result Mimms said he wants to implement laws to make protesting outside places of worship illegal.

Yes, there was, and Jewish people on the other side of the road were accused of trying to incite them and moved on by the police

The overriding fear seems to be that if protesters are limited or controlled in any way the situation will “escalate” - well we saw that outside the weapons exhibition in Melbourne. What gives these “peaceful” protesters the right to “escalate” if they are thwarted in any way? It’s this thinking that has got us to where we are today.

 

[faible]

Yes, there was, and Jewish people on the other side of the road were accused of trying to incite them and moved on by the police

The overriding fear seems to be that if protesters are limited or controlled in any way the situation will “escalate” - well we saw that outside the weapons exhibition in Melbourne. What gives these “peaceful” protesters the right to “escalate” if they are thwarted in any way? It’s this thinking that has got us to where we are today.

Common charges associated with protests – Fitzroy Legal Service

Community driven justice since 1972. Contact us for help and guidance on your legal matters.

fls.org.au

No one has a right to escalate. There's criminal charges associated with it.

The Police acting to limit the risks of escalation during high risk situations seems sensible.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Here comes the crackdown.

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

Twenty-one AFP police and analysts, who are an experienced squad of counter terrorism investigators, will deploy nationally to incidents to investigate:

• Urging violence against members of groups;
• Advocating Terrorism;
• Advocating Genocide;
• Using a carriage service to make a threat; and
• Using a carriage service to menace or harass.

AFP to lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate anti-Semitism | Australian Federal Police

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

www.afp.gov.au

The attorney general intervened in an ‘advocating genocide’ case yesterday and threw it out of court.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Common charges associated with protests – Fitzroy Legal Service

Community driven justice since 1972. Contact us for help and guidance on your legal matters.

fls.org.au

No one has a right to escalate. There's criminal charges associated with it.

The Police acting to limit the risks of escalation during high risk situations seems sensible.

The language, the signage and the symbols should be controlled as per the law. Also enforcement (in Victoria) of the law against wearing masks and legislated in other states.

 

[Kurve]

The attorney general intervened in an ‘advocating genocide’ case yesterday and threw it out of court.

It's the testing phase.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It's the testing phase.

Prosecuting whistle blowers, while protecting dog whistlers.

 

[faible]

Here comes the crackdown.

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

Twenty-one AFP police and analysts, who are an experienced squad of counter terrorism investigators, will deploy nationally to incidents to investigate:

• Urging violence against members of groups;
• Advocating Terrorism;
• Advocating Genocide;
• Using a carriage service to make a threat; and
• Using a carriage service to menace or harass.

AFP to lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate anti-Semitism | Australian Federal Police

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

www.afp.gov.au

All of those directed at anyone should be unacceptable.

 

[FIGJAM]

The attorney general intervened in an ‘advocating genocide’ case yesterday and threw it out of court.

How about we keep the war that is happening 14,000 kilometres away the **** out of our courts, synagogues, mosques and streets?

Please and thank you!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How about we keep the war that is happening 14,000 kilometres away the **** out of our courts, synagogues, mosques and streets?

Please and thank you!

How about you keep the genocide spokesmen like Mark Regev off our televisions then?

Otherwise, how you going to stop him from breaking the laws regarding advocating genocide?

 

[Jazny]

A car burning in Sydney last night with antisemitic graffiti that really sums up the intelligence of people with this mindset

 

[FIGJAM]

How about you keep the genocide spokesmen like Mark Regev off our televisions then?

Otherwise, how you going to stop him from breaking the laws regarding advocating genocide?

Word to the wise; there are ****en idiots in every government and in diplomatic positions all around the world.

There are 195 countries in the world, so are all of the diplomats going to be neutral on the political spectrum?

To paraphrase Will Smith, keep your distant war out of my ****ing country!