"Tackling might go from IR"

[premier]

More advantages for the Irish, perhaps?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport...ish-Rules-games/2006/11/22/1163871477092.html

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Speaking as an Irish guy, i wouldn't really be in favour of this.

It is true that tackling is indeed foreign to us and thats probably causing a lot of the problems re violence etc. But its also true to say that NOT tackling is completely foreign to the Aussies.

People have underestimated the important of the tackling before, coupled with the mark it makes Gaelic Football tactics/gameplay impossible to play in IR. But we do have our advantages too, the round ball being the biggest.

A comparison might be having a compromise game between soccer and rugby and having the round ball. The soccer players regardless of who they were, how skillfull etc would get destroyed. Its not as extreme as the compromise between Gaelic Football and AR because we both handle the ball etc but it gives an idea.

Actually i'd pay good good money to see David Beckham getting flattened by a rugby player.

If you take the tackle out the game would be far far too much in favour of the Irish guys.

So i'm not sure what the solution is.

 

[premier]

Whats the point in playing IR then. It would basically be Gaelic football with point posts.

Although i don't agree with taking away the tackle, at least completely. That comment is incorrect.

 

[premier]

i would prefer we just f*cking beat them at there own game, make them look like f*cking idiots. i think we can master the one arm sling(thats what they use in gaelic) its just no marking that would have a bit of an effect on us.

one arm sling ?

 

[premier]

I like IR, but not to the point where we get rid of the one thing that actually differentiates the actual play from Gaelic football. Certainly not merely to satisfy that pack of whinging sooks. Mind you, when we beat them at Gaelic football as well they'll have no damn excuse for their utterly pathetic carry-on. Hey Boylan, did Geraghty break a nail this time round? Diddums.

In all fairness what have u got against Geraghty ? He had no complaints at all.

 

[D Mitchell]

Why not just take on the American at girdiron? Or the Canadians at Ice Hockey?

Because what happens to the GAA players now would happen to the AFL players. The clubs wouldn't stand for it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the rules, its the lack of will to enforce them. The rule was changed for this series to expressly forbid the sling tackle and to require release from a tackle once the ball came free. I don't recall one sling tackle penalised and players continued to ride the tacklee into the ground after the ball came free without penalty. It doesn't matter what rules are introduced if they are not enforced.

 

[MightyFighting]

How are you supposed to get the ball off someone if you can't tackle them?

 

[clobba]

lol slapsies apparently from what I heard....like a schoolyard cat fight lmao

 

[Toots Hibbert]

You are still able to apply physical pressure in the Gaelic game. You cannot wrap your arms around the ball carrier however you can jostle them and extend your arms to prevent them getting around you and this is quite easy after they have just taken possession. While doing this you attempt to slap the ball away when they bounce the ball or kick it back to themselves which they are obliged to do much more frequently than in Aussie Rules. There are tradeoffs.

When a player is in full flight, soloing, then tackling becomes much more difficult and defending teams need several players in the path of the ball carrier to stop his run. This is where the major difficulty comes in for the Aussies because the ability to stop a player with a tackle from behind is taken away.

 

[Beckers]

How are you supposed to get the ball off someone if you can't tackle them?

LMFAO.... Could you imagine Chris Judd or Aaron Davey running around with nobody allowed to tackle them


....end to end stuff

 

[Beckers]

You are still able to apply physical pressure in the Gaelic game. You cannot wrap your arms around the ball carrier however you can jostle them and extend your arms to prevent them getting around you and this is quite easy after they have just taken possession. While doing this you attempt to slap the ball away when they bounce the ball or kick it back to themselves which they are obliged to do much more frequently than in Aussie Rules. There are tradeoffs.

When a player is in full flight, soloing, then tackling becomes much more difficult and defending teams need several players in the path of the ball carrier to stop his run. This is where the major difficulty comes in for the Aussies because the ability to stop a player with a tackle from behind is taken away.

That passage sounds so girly it makes netball look tough

 

[sydney eagle]

That passage sounds so girly it makes netball look tough

Maybe that's it ! We'll send a team of netballers to contest the next I R series ! Brilliant.

 

[catters05]

Maybe that's it ! We'll send a team of netballers to contest the next I R series ! Brilliant.

Um, soon that is what our players will be as the AFL rule committee keeps wanting to change all the rules, so we play Netball........................

 

[Toots Hibbert]

That passage sounds so girly it makes netball look tough

Well you can call it that. It's similar in some ways to the tackle in soccer but involving the hands. There's no doubting that the physical element is less in Gaelic football. Meh. There's less physical contact in Aussie Rules than in Rugby League but I don't think most of us regard League as superior to our game.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You are still able to apply physical pressure in the Gaelic game. You cannot wrap your arms around the ball carrier however you can jostle them and extend your arms to prevent them getting around you and this is quite easy after they have just taken possession. While doing this you attempt to slap the ball away when they bounce the ball or kick it back to themselves which they are obliged to do much more frequently than in Aussie Rules. There are tradeoffs.

When a player is in full flight, soloing, then tackling becomes much more difficult and defending teams need several players in the path of the ball carrier to stop his run. This is where the major difficulty comes in for the Aussies because the ability to stop a player with a tackle from behind is taken away.

Wow, rules about when you can slap the ball away, not being able to wrap the arms around, travelling rules and zone defences. I say we go in with half a team of AFL footballers and the Boomers lineup. This is truly a game played on a football field with basketball rules.

AFL might be construed as having basketball type rules as well with the 'tip off' ruck contests and the 'travelling' run too far rules but the tackling changes it into a rugged football sport.

If they take out tackling, it just becomes a matter of foot speed and while we have our quick players, they are generally built for power rather than sheer speed. Muscle weighs a lot and our blokes would be found wanting in agility and sheer speed without the physical deterioration tackling brings. Tackling also causes the opposition to be in two minds about their option taking. If they are only sprinting up and down the court they know the first thing that can happen is they lose possession if the ball is slapped away.

This is a poor change IMO and if it happens they want to give a decided advantage to Australia in other areas. Bloody hell, what AFL players would even want to play such a non-contact sport? That's probably why it is treated like a drunken junket, because players wouldn't want to go otherwise.

 

[Beckers]

Well you can call it that. It's similar in some ways to the tackle in soccer but involving the hands. There's no doubting that the physical element is less in Gaelic football. Meh. There's less physical contact in Aussie Rules than in Rugby League but I don't think most of us regard League as superior to our game.

How do you measure that?? There is different contact in Aussie Rules as opposed to Rugby League but i am not sure that a shirt front from Plugger Locket in his Prime would be much less than that of Willie Mason?

Yes RL hit harder more often but AFL have a larger variety of hits from different angles (or used to until 2005/2006 anyway when the game started turning soft ). We all saw what a surprise shoulder charge from a big guy can do when big Mason went down against the Kiwi's.

 

[fishmonger]

Forget about International Rules.

If tackling goes it is not international rules. Like Gaelic players Andy D is soft.

Either our Aussies enter an international Gaelic Football tournament or scrap the series completely.

Bring State of Origin back and increase funding for Aussie Rules internationally.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

How do you measure that?? There is different contact in Aussie Rules as opposed to Rugby League but i am not sure that a shirt front from Plugger Locket in his Prime would be much less than that of Willie Mason?

Yes RL hit harder more often but AFL have a larger variety of hits from different angles (or used to until 2005/2006 anyway when the game started turning soft ). We all saw what a surprise shoulder charge from a big guy can do when big Mason went down against the Kiwi's.

Well I don't want to get into the specifics of that, I'm just trying to make the point that a game is not necessarily better or worse because of the amount of contact allowed.

I've played both Aussie Rules, Gaelic football and Rugby Union and enjoyed them all. I also enjoy watching them. I don't mind watching tennis either although there's no contact at all.

 

[Blues_Man]

We already have to play with a round ball ..take out tackling and the game becomes softer than netball ...nobody wants to watch grown men play a girls game ..scrap the series ..the Aussies are far too tough an oponent for the soft Irish it appears .

 

[Horsebox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxUh5xsyz1E&mode=related&search=

I don't know how to embed stuff so don't annoy me about the link. It's kind of a condensed clip of how you dispossess someone in gaelic. Funnily enough there should be around 10 free's during the first part of the clip but thats where interpretation comes in. It's from a terrible game of football by the way.

This clip is from this years all-ireland semi and is a bit more free-flowing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ejfLyg2KHo&mode=related&search=

 

[Toots Hibbert]

We already have to play with a round ball ..take out tackling and the game becomes softer than netball ...nobody wants to watch grown men play a girls game ..scrap the series ..the Aussies are far too tough an oponent for the soft Irish it appears .

I think if you haven't done so you should watch Gaelic football being played. It's a matter of personal taste of course but many people think it's a terrific game. In past times matters used to get pretty physical and the Irish coach in the IR series built teams with quite a thuggish reputation.

 

[Beckers]

We already have to play with a round ball ..take out tackling and the game becomes softer than netball ...nobody wants to watch grown men play a girls game ..scrap the series ..the Aussies are far too tough an oponent for the soft Irish it appears .

........................What Blues_Man said................................

 

[Hap Hapablap]

remove the tackiling and ill like the majority of aussies will never watch the game again. Whats next players cant run more than 2 m like netball. FFS!

 

[Blues_Man]

I think if you haven't done so you should watch Gaelic football being played. It's a matter of personal taste of course but many people think it's a terrific game. In past times matters used to get pretty physical and the Irish coach in the IR series built teams with quite a thuggish reputation.

I guess it comes down to personal taste in the end ...I can't watch Soccer as it bores me to tears ..and millions love that game . I enjoy the IR series and would like it to continue ...but to have to play the game without tackling would detract from it as a spectacle for me .

 

[Beckers]

remove the tackiling and ill like the majority of aussies will never watch the game again. Whats next players cant run more than 2 m like netball. FFS!

Surely the AFL realize that AFL fans would drop it like a hot potato if they removed the tackling

 

[sydney eagle]

I think if you haven't done so you should watch Gaelic football being played. It's a matter of personal taste of course but many people think it's a terrific game. In past times matters used to get pretty physical and the Irish coach in the IR series built teams with quite a thuggish reputation.

And didn't various people say before the I R series began that this was a "tough" Irish side that would take it up to the Aussies ? Look what happened ! The Irish team lost and , surprise, surprise, they want to change the rules again in their favour ! The International Rules are ALREADY very much in favour of the Gaelic footballers,and seem to generate nothing but controversy every time Australia wins. We should just give up, reintroduce State Of Origin to Australian Rules ,and let the Irish continue to play with themselves at their own game !