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Bunk Moreland said:
Everybody is walking around with a camera in their pocket. You’re not going to stop that now. Ever.

If you want to get them out of classrooms specifically then sure, go for it.

Not sure what it has to do with this.
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This entire thread is due to Seeds taking issue with children being banned from social media, and others jumping on board. While I empathise with what you're saying - if the Pirate party were more of a thing, I'd vote for them - I'm saying that there are real life consequences for allowing children - immature minds - access to this transcendental means of communication beyond anything a previous generation had access to, and those consequences affect more than just themselves.

There's also not a terrible amount of study done on the affect social media has on maturing brains, alongside the fact that those who own social media sites - not Musk because he doesn't have a supermassive amount to do with his children - but those in charge of Meta and Mark Zuckerberg actively keep their children away from social media and the internet. One takes leave to wonder, when those studies come out, what those studies will say.
 
Gethelred said:
This entire thread is due to Seeds taking issue with children being banned from social media, and others jumping on board. While I empathise with what you're saying - if the Pirate party were more of a thing, I'd vote for them - I'm saying that there are real life consequences for allowing children - immature minds - access to this transcendental means of communication beyond anything a previous generation had access to, and those consequences affect more than just themselves.

There's also not a terrible amount of study done on the affect social media has on maturing brains, alongside the fact that those who own social media sites - not Musk because he doesn't have a supermassive amount to do with his children - but those in charge of Meta and Mark Zuckerberg actively keep their children away from social media and the internet. One takes leave to wonder, when those studies come out, what those studies will say.
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What is a social media site/app?

Because I could easily make an argument that it is not just FB, Insta, TikTok, Snapchat.

Online gaming, Discord, YT.
Might as well block them from the Internet completely.
 

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Saint Shags said:
What is a social media site/app?

Because I could easily make an argument that it is not just FB, Insta, TikTok, Snapchat.

Online gaming, Discord, YT.
Might as well block them from the Internet completely.
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That's the issue. It won't be just them, it'll be all of us, the over 16s, as well. Unless you have DigID/Drivers License. And we know how very insecure those details are, given the last few years of data breaches.

And because of parents being derelict in their duties of policing/protecting/guarding children from the online world and because of the typical and expected Govt overreach/creep/ slippery slope, this will spell the end of internet in Aus.
 
Saint Shags said:
What is a social media site/app?

Because I could easily make an argument that it is not just FB, Insta, TikTok, Snapchat.

Online gaming, Discord, YT.
Might as well block them from the Internet completely.
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First things first.

I know for a fact that FB, Discord, Tiktok, Insta, Snapchat are all banned at the school I work at: if a student is using school internet and unless they're using a VPN, they're going to get vaught doing an awful lot of things. Unfortunately, I know for a fact the head IT officer at my school isn't qualified and has had their position over a long period of time; they don't have a degree, but they've been IT officer since the mid nineties.

... all this is to say that the current efforts at limiting social media are half arsed, because they have people who simply aren't qualified to be in their positions seeking to stop, quite literally, every single other person online.
 
Gethelred said:
First things first.

I know for a fact that FB, Discord, Tiktok, Insta, Snapchat are all banned at the school I work at: if a student is using school internet and unless they're using a VPN, they're going to get vaught doing an awful lot of things. Unfortunately, I know for a fact the head IT officer at my school isn't qualified and has had their position over a long period of time; they don't have a degree, but they've been IT officer since the mid nineties.

... all this is to say that the current efforts at limiting social media are half arsed, because they have people who simply aren't qualified to be in their positions seeking to stop, quite literally, every single other person online.
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However when dealing with govt legislation what will be the line?

Even this forum would be considered social media. So where do we draw the line?
As an educator I'm extremely strong on educating how to use and navigate the internet. I'm not sure that blocking it will be effective or worthwhile in the end.
 
Gethelred said:
First things first.

I know for a fact that FB, Discord, Tiktok, Insta, Snapchat are all banned at the school I work at: if a student is using school internet and unless they're using a VPN, they're going to get vaught doing an awful lot of things. Unfortunately, I know for a fact the head IT officer at my school isn't qualified and has had their position over a long period of time; they don't have a degree, but they've been IT officer since the mid nineties.

... all this is to say that the current efforts at limiting social media are half arsed, because they have people who simply aren't qualified to be in their positions seeking to stop, quite literally, every single other person online.
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So all the social media sites are banned, despite the non-degree status of the IT officer, and all the mobile phones are also banned as well. I'm not quite sure what you're expecting them to do?

Some of the worst authoritarian shitholes in the world can't keep their citizens away from VPN's etc.
 
tandino said:
So all the social media sites are banned, despite the non-degree status of the IT officer, and all the mobile phones are also banned as well. I'm not quite sure what you're expecting them to do?

Some of the worst authoritarian shitholes in the world can't keep their citizens away from VPN's etc.
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I mean... precisely?

We treat government net security as though they're essentially the guards trying to keep Hogan's Heroes from escaping. At some point, the government is going to figure out/negotiate any given population's attitude towards the internet, and they're going to do it over these - ie, justifiable - grounds.

They'll sort it out eventually.
 
MarcMaverick said:
I get what you saying, however, it'll feel like 20 kids being held back after school due to a couple of troublemakers because the teacher felt like being extra vindictive. Every one gets punished because of a few.
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Yes.
 
Gethelred said:
A teacher of my acquaintance in a public school had the following happen to them:
  • a child had their phone on them in class, which is against the law in public schools.
  • they had just been admonished for having their phone on them, and proceeded to text their father.
  • their father used the 'track my children' app installed on his child's phone to go to that classroom and berate her personally, in front of her class.
  • several other children used their devices to film this, and placed that footage on social media.

She has had to leave multiple schools and the area to escape that video, and she still has it come up from time to time in her classroom. A student who knows someone will find it; a student who's seen a lot of high school footage will recognise her, etc.

Tell me how you intend to solve this issue by stopping criminals and bullies, Seeds.
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The same as how you minimise most crimes. Make what the parent did a crime with sufficient punishment to discourage others for doing the same. Probably also increase the penalties around posting videos/photos of people on social media without their consent

You dont control and punish the potential victims. The equivalent govt policy approach in your example to social media bans for kids would be some sort of control on the teachers freedom. Not the father nor the students. Note the government isnt banning kids from social media because they think they are excessive perpetrators of criminal behaviour on social media as in your example (if so adults would face the same social media bans). They are doing it because they are seen by the govt as potential victims of bullying/crime.


As another example of govts choosing to control potential victims rather then punish perpetrators. If there was an increase in sexual abuse crimes in nightclub areas against women after 9pm would you ban women from going to these areas after 9pm? Or would you increase the police presence in the area and maybe increase the penalty for the crime to disincentivise it?
 
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Kram said:
It's bad parenting letting kids on social media.
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How? Is it bad parenting letting kids play sport where they can get injured? Is it bad parenting letting kids walk to school where they could potentially be kidnapped? Is it bad parenting letting kids engage with other kids who can bully them?
 

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Saint Shags said:
What is a social media site/app?

Because I could easily make an argument that it is not just FB, Insta, TikTok, Snapchat.

Online gaming, Discord, YT.
Might as well block them from the Internet completely.
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Here is the definition the government is using, which includes 99.999% of the internet:

The code defines social media as electronic services that meet the following conditions:

  1. The sole or primary purpose of the service is to enable online social interaction between two or more end users
  2. The service allows end users to link to, or interact with, some or all other end users
  3. The service allows end users to post material on the service
  4. Such other conditions (if any) as are set out in the legislative rules.
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  1. - https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news...politics/2024/11/07/social-media-ban-albanese
 
Lady who sits near me at work barely let's her 12 year old go to the shops on his bike as thats "too dangerous, there are weirdos out there" but hes on tiktok etc. Truly bizarre mindset imo

Great call from whoever posted about gambling ads. Government are so incredibly out of touch but yeah it's not about safety, it's to hammer home some new digital ID for everyone...

Still, if it kills Meta and the like, bring it on imo
 
I’ll make a totally obvious prediction:

I’m not sure exactly at what step it will fail, but this will never, ever be implemented effectively.

It’ll be killed long before that.

They’ll produce some sort of garbage government-issued “net nanny” style software instead to save some small level of face, and say they’ve done their job.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I’ll make a totally obvious prediction:

I’m not sure exactly at what step it will fail, but this will never, ever be implemented effectively.

It’ll be killed long before that.

They’ll produce some sort of garbage government-issued “net nanny” style software instead to save some small level of face, and say they’ve done their job.
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They are forcing social media providers to do this. The government isnt implementing any software. Just legal requirements.
 

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