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Because mental health was absolutely flying pre-2002 or so.
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Funny how during covid when school became screen based, all the ‘won’t someone think of the children’ stories got parked for a while
There are issues, but what is to be gained by just delaying when someone gets exposed to them?
There are issues, but what is to be gained by just delaying when someone gets exposed to them?
Do you have kids?
Yes. VPNs are awesome in accessing geo restricted content. Love National Theatre at Home.
Not remotely close to the vanity, anxiety riddled, self absorbed clown show we call society now. Every second person is on some depression medication or claims to suffer MHI. It's way worse now, how could you suggest otherwise and the common denominator is SM...
Or, it's coincidental that SM is around while people are recognising neurodiversity as part of the human condition.
Read any personal familial histories and you'll see a litany of likely mental health issues. Kings who don't want to leave the court, recluses, fainting spells (panic attacks). And that's just the upper classes. Can you imagine what was going on in the countryside completely un-recorded?
It's only that it's described now, and in some cases maybe indulged a little too much. Maybe the current situation is just that recluses (people with high anxiety) don't actually have to leave their house any more to interact with people as much as they had to in the past.
As if further proof that you guys just argue with people for the sake of it was needed, trying to deflect SM affect on mental health issues the last 20 years is... something.
Easily the biggest factor in it bar none
Easily the biggest factor in it bar none
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There is no doubt that this is true for many people - but also they might have been the same people to have taken up drinking, drugs, reckless behaviour, and the like in the past.
They need help, of course.
But teeing off on everything and everyone in a rant about everything you don't like about people today is worthy of a bit of ridicule.
My children and their friends (same for nieces and nephews) are much more understanding and accepting than we were. They still have their flaws but they are streets ahead of the 80's and 90's.
No they haven't. That's the whole point behind this. Their brains aren't fully developed and they are nowhere near mature enough to handle it (I'm talking 11, 12, 13-year olds in particular). Jonathan Haidt has been calling attention to the rise of depression and anxiety in children and teenagers for years - since his article (and then book co-authored with Greg Lukianoff) The Coddling of the American Mind came out. That was around 2018. They were cautious about the effect of social media then; they aren't now as they have tons more data (They've also factored in Covid, basically the effect was underway already).
It all comes back to when Facebook/Twitter and iPhones became available - around 2008-2010. That generation then started attending universities around 2014. Which is exactly when the hysterical calls for deplatforming, safe spaces and so on escalated. Also factor in an entire generation that has been far more protected and insulated from things older generations considered normal - free play outside, no adults supervising etc. - and the effect is multiplied.
I'm far from convinced a government ruling is the way to solve it; it rarely is. But having seen it first hand with multiple friends and family members, I don't want kids under 15-16 anywhere near social media. It's bad for boys, but it is absolutely devastating for girls. Far more susceptible to gossip, missing out on social events, and teenage girls are every bit as nasty as teenage boys, but it's all reputational. Absolutely perfect to be exploited for social media.
I'm with you on the government not doing it; but if you let kids loose on social media, especially girls, you can almost predict more anxiety, more depression, worse attention, worse concentration, and everything else. Ultimately it comes down to parenting.
My daughter's is stricter. There aren't even warnings. Between school hours phones aren't permitted full stop. It's great.
Not coincidentally, we've noticed the behaviour of the kids compared with their latter years of primary school. Infinitely better in all ways.
No, because kids need exposure to the real world, and 1000s of little incidents to learn how to negotiate it.
Should they play sport because they might get injured? Yes. Builds character and a billion other positive benefits.
Should they walk to school? Yes. The risk of kidnapping is so miniscule it's like being hit by lightning.
School they engage with kids who can and might bully them? Yes, so they can learn how to resolve conflicts. If it does resort to genuine bullying - you address it then.
The alternative, keeping kids in cotton wool under they're 18 or 19 is the worst idea imaginable. You end up with grown up babies who've never learned to do anything by themselves.
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There are a couple of books out about it that seem to be based on some limited data and research that doesn't seem to say what Haidt says it does:
www.nature.com
3quarksdaily.com
The great rewiring: is social media really behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?
The evidence is equivocal on whether screen time is to blame for rising levels of teen depression and anxiety — and rising hysteria could distract us from tackling the real causes.
www.nature.com
Why academics are annoyed with Jonathan Haidt, again - 3 Quarks Daily
by Jeroen van Baar
3quarksdaily.com
I see side by side examples of the same age kids going to our school and another one close by with shall we say, more lenient philosophies. The differences in respect, behaviour, and manners is stark to put it mildly.
I read it described well, think of a device (plus social media) as experience blockers. Because that's what they do. And kids need all sorts of experience to mature.
Twitter is more trying to be like instagram, watch one video then up comes another.
From a political point of view, you actually get a lot more information than you do out of mainstream media.
Take this topic for example and you have fitzy and wippa saying on radio how good removing social media off kids until 16 is.
It's all about who you follow.
Essendon VFL twitter has good match updates and highlights from matches, hard to get anywhere else.
I don't really like the "for you"
prefer just to see who you follow.
but it probably is a bit of a echo chamber.
say i follow Kaine Baldwin and then he follows Essendonfc, Essendon VFl & Jordan Peterson, so I decide to follow them all too.
From a political point of view, you actually get a lot more information than you do out of mainstream media.
Take this topic for example and you have fitzy and wippa saying on radio how good removing social media off kids until 16 is.
It's all about who you follow.
Essendon VFL twitter has good match updates and highlights from matches, hard to get anywhere else.
I don't really like the "for you"
prefer just to see who you follow.
but it probably is a bit of a echo chamber.
say i follow Kaine Baldwin and then he follows Essendonfc, Essendon VFl & Jordan Peterson, so I decide to follow them all too.
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One of these things isn't like the others
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A lot?
It's not a new thing that younger people aren't fully emotionally or mentally developed, and therefore are less equipped to deal with the negatives of social media.
Prohibition isn't the solution though, it's never really worked for anything it's been tried on, and it won't work here.
Parents being engaged with kids regarding their use of technology and social media is a pretty key aspect, and many parents today probably didn't grow up with social media access through their formative years to really understand just how problematic and all-consuming it can be.
20 years ago, if you were being bullied at school you could escape from it. Now it follows you home. And saying 'oh just get off social media' is about as helpful as telling an alcoholic 'oh just stop drinking' or a gambling addict 'oh just stop gambling'. SM apps are designed to be addictive and all-consuming.
These are devices worth hundreds of dollars which require an internet connection too. Parents are in complete control of kids' access to this stuff up until they're 16.
No 15yo is going to buy a device and internet connection for themselves if their parents don't let them use SM.
I have a time restriction on my own use of Twitter so I don't disappear for too long, I'll sure as hell be starting my kids that way too. It won't be zero access and then 100% access on their 16th birthday.
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Bullies will find a way. Lots of homework etc is posted online
