Take your hand off my kids ipads

[Richard Pryor]

How many parents in general spend time on their socials while they should be cultivating a relationship with their children? The only 'social media" I have is BigFooty and trying to keep to a minimum. It's a scrouge. The more government do to regulate platforms the better for society.

Socialization in person also holds some of the same negative potential as social media, especially for radicalization. Therefore I propose the government go a step further and ban everyone under 16 from socializing while unaccompanied by an adult or teacher. Of course, to enforce we will need everyone over 16 to have papers at all times to present to the authorities while outside of their home with other people. The more the government does to regulate our interactions the better for society.

 

[zumahawk]

Socialization in person also holds some of the same negative potential as social media, especially for radicalization. Therefore I propose the government go a step further and ban everyone under 16 from socializing while unaccompanied by an adult or teacher. Of course, to enforce we will need everyone over 16 to have papers at all times to present to the authorities while outside of their home with other people. The more the government does to regulate our interactions the better for society.

Do you realise the harm that social media does to teenagers? It's not a commie thing to want to keep under 16s safe.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Gambling and drinking don't require the person submit their personal details to a new central government ID database. Doesn't place a control on people's ability to communicate. Doesn't block vulnerable kids from reaching out via a popular communication channel. All that stuff.

They're not the same.

I agree social media is not good for many kids, but this solution has so many holes and unintended consequences it can't get through.

Similar to the vape ban, it is a policy which will have massive unintended consquences while likely not addressing the issue, yet so many are just playing the emotive argument and refuse to engage with actual concerns instead hammering away on "But vaping/social media is BAD!, how can I strawman to paint this person raising concerns as promoting kids on social media/vapes".

Will be interesting to see if Labor opts for the Mark Butler technique of employing the wagging finger to distract people from flimsy reasoning.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Do you realise the harm that social media does to teenagers? It's not a commie thing to want to keep under 16s safe.

It's excacerbates the harm that bullying does to teenagers. Therefore being able to regulate all socialization and therefore all bullying would keep under 16s even safer. Why do YOU not care enough about under 16's to support my proposed policy?

 

[zumahawk]

Similar to the vape ban, it is a policy which will have massive unintended consquences while likely not addressing the issue, yet so many are just playing the emotive argument and refuse to engage with actual concerns instead hammering away on "But vaping/social media is BAD!, how can I strawman to mock this person promoting kids on social media/vapes".

Will be interesting to see if Labor opts for the Mark Butler technique of employing the wagging finger to distract people from flimsy reasoning.

I agree there are unintended consequences but that's happen with government policy since time immoral. Nothing is perfect but most agree that vaping being illegal is a positive and keeping social media regulated the same especially for the kids. Adults won't be affected.

 

[Richard Pryor]

I agree there are unintended consequences but that's happen with government policy since time immoral. Nothing is perfect but most agree that vaping being illegal is a positive and keeping social media regulated the same especially for the kids. Adults won't be affected.

Have you even read what enforcement is being proposed? How exactly is requiring verifying ID to access any website that facilitates user content and communication between end users (seriously, this is the definition the government is proposing to use to define social media) not going to affect adults? Labor has even mentioned the possibility of using biometric face scanning as a potential method of identity verification.

Also vaping being illegal is absolutely not a positive specifically in the case of preventing teens from vaping. The government cracked down on dedicated vape stores which actually took government regulations seriously surrounding ID and nicotine levels. Teens purchase disposable vapes (which were already illegal) with completely unregulated nicotine content from milk bars that don't check ID and since they were already breaking the law the new regulations didn't impact this at all and if anything drove the illegal vape industry into overdrive by pushing all of the adult vapers into the illegal market.

Since unintended consequences don't matter as long as something is being done I question why exactly you have an issue my regulate socialization bill.

 

[zumahawk]

Have you even read what enforcement is being proposed? How exactly is requiring verifying ID to access any website that facilitates user content and communication between end users (seriously, this is the definition the government is proposing to use to define social media) not going to affect adults? Labor has even mentioned the possibility of using biometric face scanning as a potential method of identity verification.

Also vaping being illegal is absolutely not a positive specifically in the case of preventing teens from vaping. The government cracked down on dedicated vape stores which actually took government regulations seriously surrounding ID and nicotine levels. Teens purchase disposable vapes (which were already illegal) with completely unregulated nicotine content from milk bars that don't check ID and since they were already breaking the law the new regulations didn't impact this at all and if anything drove the illegal vape industry into overdrive by pushing all of the adult vapers into the illegal market.

Since unintended consequences don't matter as long as something is being done I question why exactly you have an issue my regulate socialization bill.

Have a good day Richard Pryor

 

[Gough]

Growing up a gay kid in the 80s I would have killed for the sort of platform to meet and talk to other kids like me which now exists online. Everyone seems to be big on talking about the harm social media does kids while almost completely the positive outcomes like that that a digital world can provide.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Have you even read what enforcement is being proposed? How exactly is requiring verifying ID to access any website that facilitates user content and communication between end users (seriously, this is the definition the government is proposing to use to define social media) not going to affect adults? Labor has even mentioned the possibility of using biometric face scanning as a potential method of identity verification.

It'll be interesting to see how Australian law will apply to overseas hosted platforms.

 

[Gough]

Given that Australians have come away from religion in droves over the last half century kids are probably safer than they've ever been simply by not attending church.

 

[Richard Pryor]

It'll be interesting to see how Australian law will apply to oversees hosted platforms.

Albanese has mentioned fining social media companies, but that won't do anything. They'll just block Australia from accessing their sites if the government is able to actually get teeth stuck into them since we're such an insignificant market.

Will also be interesting to see how they actually end up defining social media. So far the definition they have provided would include snapchat which they're now saying will be exempt, but they've also confirmed they will be banning youtube, which I think in most people's minds is far less of a social media platform than snapchat. I don't see how they craft a social media definition which somehow includes youtube but doesn't include snapchat.

 

[Cmarsh]

Like it’s just fathers on SM

Where did I say ot was?

 

[Seeds]

Do you realise the harm that social media does to teenagers? It's not a commie thing to want to keep under 16s safe.

Do you realise the good social media does for teenagers?

Bullying is a problem. But its both a real life problem and a social media problem. Stop bullying.