Tasmanian Football Thread

[Kingpin]

Anyone else catch the ABC News?
They reported on the Statewide league:
[*]It does not have the support of clubs in Tasmania(spoke to North Launceston and Clarence Presidents)
[*]AFL Tas has not consulted with the Clubs, rather told them what they say will be happening.

The clubs from the South that I have heard they are targeting are Clarence, Glenorchy, North Hobart and................. Kingborough
I've heard around the big graprevine likewise that clubs are not supportive of it because it will send them broke.
Things like bus fees would theoretically eat up most of the funding they'll each receive - around $50,000 each is the word around town.
Your second point is validated by comments made by Scott Wade when interviewed on ABC television during half time in the Devils game at Bellerive a couple of weeks back when asked by Andy Bennett as to how the reception from clubs was to the proposal, Wade stated "We haven't spoken to the clubs yet, they'll be the last ones we'll be speaking to about it."
I also heard that clubs would be more warming to the idea of a reformation of the TANFL, and playing a State Grand Final each year against the Northern premiers.
But as we all can work out, it aint about the clubs, it's all about the Devils - Again!

[*]Proposed League is one club representing each area such as Clarence on the Eastern Shore but not using the name Clarence and made up of best players from the Eastern Shore Clubs.

Here we go again LOL.
It'll be just like 1997-2000 in the TSFL/SWL with Micheal Kent's rediculous ideas at renaming clubs and changing council boundaries to suit themselves.
It failed miserably then, and we haven't got the base of fans to work with now, I can't see it becoming a success.
North Hobart is renamed 'Hobart Demons' and out walks 75% of its membership, New Norfolk is renamed 'Derwent Eagles' and crowds and membership plummet.
Devonport is pushed to jump on the Port Adelaide bandwagon and starts calling itself 'Port Power' - later forced to drop then name because they are using it illegally and end up being an even worse team than what Hobart descended into before they were excluded.
North Launceston changes its name to Northern Bombers and upsets its fans by doing so.
Southern Districts Cats is formed after the demise of Sandy Bay, technically it's a new club but most people can tell it's just Sandy Bay with a different jumper, emblem and slightly different set of colours.
Has the same supporters mostly, same players, many ex SBFC people running it - then the supporters finally cotton on that it's really not the same as the old Sandy Bay and start dropping off - it falls over within 18 months.
Seriously, can anyone really see a Clarence supporter (that hasn't switched allegiance to the higher profile Devils) or a Lauderdale supporter dropping their club allegiance and going to support the Eastern Shore Possums or whatever they'll call themselves?

Commenting on the "luke warm" reception from the clubs Wade commented he is not concerned with how they receive it.

Oh, of course he isn't interested in how the actual guinea pigs are feeling about it, because it isn't about them - it's about the Devils.
It's like asking the rooster in the barnyard if he feels like being eaten by a wild dog and accentuating the positives of it, when there's a wild dog standing behind you licking its lips waiting to devour the rooster.
It will happen, and there isn't anything the clubs can do about it - their mind's made up.
Hobart and New Norfolk are not interested and given that they were both axed from the original statewide league, they probably wouldn't be asked to join anyhow.
In Hobart's case they are in even worse shape than they were in 1997 (and it was very bad then), not so much in player numbers or debt (although they still have a fair bit) but with no people to help run it or support it.
The thing is, they can't get people to go and watch clubs that they have followed for generations previously now, how do they think they are going to get people to follow a whole bunch of newly concocted teams?
It seems lessons from history are never learnt.

Devils(now for the good news)
[*]Unless the Devils receive a further $350,000 from the AFL the Devils will go into recession next year(yay) This is on top of the $700,000 extra they have already been promised.

An overly expensive waste of time, money and resources for very little productive result.
Maybe they should start tightening their own belts rather pissing money away everywhere.
Also begs the question, if the game's governing body can't run ONE team which receives blanket media coverage, is able to hog sponsorships and resources for themselves at the expense of the rest of the sport in this state, used to produced decent crowds and is funded by the AFL - how the hell is a statewide league with traditionless teams going to work?

 

[sportstalk07]

The clubs from the South that I have heard they are targeting are Clarence, Glenorchy, North Hobart and................. Kingborough
I've heard around the big graprevine likewise that clubs are not supportive of it because it will send them broke.
Things like bus fees would theoretically eat up most of the funding they'll each receive - around $50,000 each is the word around town.
Your second point is validated by comments made by Scott Wade when interviewed on ABC television during half time in the Devils game at Bellerive a couple of weeks back when asked by Andy Bennett as to how the reception from clubs was to the proposal, Wade stated "We haven't spoken to the clubs yet, they'll be the last ones we'll be speaking to about it."
I also heard that clubs would be more warming to the idea of a reformation of the TANFL, and playing a State Grand Final each year against the Northern premiers.
But as we all can work out, it aint about the clubs, it's all about the Devils - Again!

Here we go again!
It'll be just like 1998-99 with Micheal Kent's rediculous ideas at renaming clubs and changing boundaries to suit themselves.
It failed miserably then, and we haven't got the base of fans to work with now, I can't see it becoming a success.
North Hobart is renamed 'Hobart Demons' and out walks 75% of its membership, New Norfolk is renamed 'Derwent Eagles' and crowds and membership plummet.
Devonport is pushed to jump on the Port Adelaide and bandwagon and starts calling itself 'Port Power' - later forced to drop then name because they are using it illegally.
North Launceston changes its name to Northern Bombers and upsets its fans by doing so.
Seriously, can anyone really see a Clarence supporter (that hasn't switched allegiance to the higher profile Devils) or a Lauderdale supporter dropping their club allegiance and going to support the Eastern Shore Possums or whatever they'll call themselves?


Oh, of course he isn't interested in how the actual guinea pigs are feeling about it, because it isn't about them - it's about the Devils.
It's like asking the rooster in the barnyard if he feels like being eaten by a wild dog and accentuating the positives of it, when there's a wild dog standing behind you licking its lips waiting to devour the rooster.
It will happen, and there isn't anything the clubs can do about it - their mind's made up.
Hobart and New Norfolk are not interested and given that they were both axed from the original statewide league, they probably wouldn't be asked to join anyhow.
In Hobart's case they are in even worse shape than they were in 1997 (and it was very bad then), not so much in player numbers or debt (although they still have a fair bit) but with no people to help run it or support it.
The thing is, they can't get people to go and watch clubs that they have followed for generations previously now, how do they think they are going to get people to follow a whole bunch of newly concocted teams?
It seems lessons from history are never learnt.


An overly expensive waste of time, money and resources for very little productive result.
Maybe they should start tightening their own belts rather pissing money away everywhere.
Also begs the question, if the game's governing body can't run ONE team which receives blanket media coverage, is able to hog sponsorships and resources for themselves at the expense of the rest of the sport in this state, used to produced decent crowds and is funded by the AFL - how the hell is a statewide league with traditionless teams going to work?

The bottom line is this, I believe that we are dipping the feet in about 10 years too early. Other than Aurora Stadium and Bellerive, name me one ground that's had a major upgrade in the last 5-7 years? I can't think of one...

Also, seven day trading and business demands aren't going to change any time soon, which was one of the many factors (along with a total lack of cash) that killed the Statewide League in 2000.

While yes, you would keep your Clarence's, Glenorchy's, North Launceston's and Devonport's and the like in their current competitions if Mr Wade's structure is implemented, you wouldn't get the average person to follow a side overnight (esp if it's say 8-10 new unknown teams)

Sure, you might have the star players from Devonport and Burnie in the NW side and North L'ton/South L'ton in the Northern Side, but seriously this isn't a quick fix to the solution IMO.

Get the current structure at a level that is strong, then we'll talk about growing the nest!

 

[Kingpin]

The bottom line is this, I believe that we are dipping the feet in about 10 years too early. Other than Aurora Stadium and Bellerive, name me one ground that's had a major upgrade in the last 5-7 years? I can't think of one...

In the South, North Hobart had the Doug Plaister Stand built back in 1987/88 and Boyer had new changerooms built in 1998.
Other than that, proper works havent been carried out at grounds for decades.
KGV was reconfigured in 1982, Kingston Beach had its clubrooms built in the 90's and has had extensions on it since, the TCA was renovated by a Slave For The Dole Crew - but other than those things, major works haven't taken place since the 60's.

Also, seven day trading and business demands aren't going to change any time soon, which was one of the many factors (along with a total lack of cash) that killed the Statewide League in 2000.

That's exactly it.
Ironically, the biggest pusher for Seven Day Trading was the boss of the TFL (Micheal Kent) who was the owner of the Purity Supermarket chain (now Woolworths) in those days.
Used to make everyone laugh how he'd blast fans for not turning up to TFL matches, bemoaning the shortage of younger players at underage level - but they couldn't turn up because most of them were working on weekends under the new Seven Day Trading laws that he actively pursued and cajoled the government for several years into implementing to expand his business empire and make more money for himself.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too!
The biggest thing that killed the TFL, and continues to hurt the game here is pathetic administration and an acute failure to learn from history.

Get the current structure at a level that is strong, then we'll talk about growing the nest!

Start growing the game locally again before hatching massive expansion plans.
Need to get the local teams playing in front of decent crowds again, matches being broadcast on radio etc.
If the competition is weak and unstable locally with abysmal crowds in a climate of financial downturn, one would think expanding and creating greater expenditure would be quite risky in the current climate....

 

[Wilbur35]

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While yes, you would keep your Clarence's, Glenorchy's, North Launceston's and Devonport's and the like in their current competitions if Mr Wade's structure is implemented, you wouldn't get the average person to follow a side overnight (esp if it's say 8-10 new unknown teams)

Sure, you might have the star players from Devonport and Burnie in the NW side and North L'ton/South L'ton in the Northern Side, but seriously this isn't a quick fix to the solution IMO.

Get the current structure at a level that is strong, then we'll talk about growing the nest!

Never mind the supporters, where are they players going to come from? Most clubs struggle to field teams now. It simply will not happen. Won't even get off the ground.

 

[SDog]

Need to get the local teams playing in front of decent crowds again, matches being broadcast on radio etc.
If the competition is weak and unstable locally with abysmal crowds in a climate of financial downturn, one would think expanding and creating greater expenditure would be quite risky in the current climate....

seriously tho how are you going to get decent crowds again? it isnt going to happen. the only teams that get good crowds now are regional league clubs such as huonville, kermandie, central hawks etc. no one cares about the premier league and with the afl on all weekend ppl would rather stay at home and watch it.

 

[footy55]

tips for this weekends games??

 

[Menza]

Any results from the Regional League games?

 

[crows26]

The only interesting score that I have heard is that FINGAL in the NTFA div 2 lost their first match of the year today in the 2nd Semi! Uni Mowbray into another GF, Have Fingal choked yet again! How often do you see it that a side goes through undefeated and then struggles in finals?

 

[travisbickle67]

Claremont won with a goal after siren. Kermandie ran away from Huonville in last quarter to win by about 5 goals.

 

[Menza]

Cheers.
The 'Mont only one more game away from a GF appearance. I don't think anyone would of imagined that would happen after their efforts last year.

Well Done to the boys from Abbotsfield Park!

Does that make it two finals wins, from pretty much the last kick of the day?

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Big upset there, Central Hawks ROLLED!

 

[Kingpin]

From memory what I saw briefly tonight in the Premier League it was Clarence 15.13 (103) over North Hobart 13.13 (91) in front of a healthy crowd at North Hobart in the Qualifying Final.
In the Elimination Final up at Boyer, New Norfolk 19.15 (129) defeated the Hobart Lions 10.10 (70).
Hobart Lions won the reserves over New Norfolk and Glenorchy beat Hobart Lions in the colts in coach John Edge's last game with the club.
Claremont beat the Central Hawks by 4 points - how shattered would they be? - Out in straight sets by 4-points both times, kicking themselves out of last week's and losing with a kick after the siren this week - that's as cruel a finals run as a couple of Hobart's in the early 00's under Gillbee.
Kermandie won easily over Huonville Lions by 30-odd points.

 

[Benny_]

Anyone here know who umpired the Sorell Lauderdale under 14s Grand Final today.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

I was emergency actually - Brayden White and Sean McDonell

 

[Benny_]

I was emergency actually - Brayden White and Sean McDonell

It was the worst umpiring i have ever seen in a game of football. How can a 13 year old umpire a grand final when he didn't even know which way to signal the free kicks. It was a disgrace.

By the way did you hear the siren.

 

[Barge]

Cheers.
The 'Mont only one more game away from a GF appearance. I don't think anyone would of imagined that would happen after their efforts last year.

Well Done to the boys from Abbotsfield Park!

Does that make it two finals wins, from pretty much the last kick of the day?

2006 wasn't as bad as '04 or '05.

More so I don't think anyone, Lindisfarne especially, would have thought Claremont would make it this far after how insipid they were in Round 1 - 107 point hiding from the Blues!

It's amazing how important close wins are - lose either their 8 point win over Lindisfarne in Round 10 or their 3 point win over Dodges in Round 16 after coming from 39 points down and they would have missed the finals.

Former Norfick mate of yours Blackaby was good yesterday, Menz!

Poor old Chop was a shattered man after the game. Would have been a pretty sombre B&F count wouldn't Oz?

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

It was the worst umpiring i have ever seen in a game of football. How can a 13 year old umpire a grand final when he didn't even know which way to signal the free kicks. It was a disgrace.

By the way did you hear the siren.

No complaints on my behalf, thought he did a good job, apart from signalling the wrong way once or twice, and when he did, he rectified it immediately.

And yes, I heard the siren.

 

[Ozguy]

Chopper was shattered. As was pretty much everyone involved with the club.

An unbelievable season though. Far exceeded what was hoped for at the beginning of the year. I know there is a fire burning in the bellies of a lot of people that is going to drive them for next year.

Vote count was a good night though. More a celebration of the season than a reflection on the disappointment.

 

[Benny_]

No complaints on my behalf, thought he did a good job, apart from signalling the wrong way once or twice, and when he did, he rectified it immediately.

And yes, I heard the siren.

watch the tape, it was terrible.

 

[Barge]

How true is the rumour I hear that the Hawks are planning to base themselves at Kempton in the future to alleviate any tension between Oatlands and Bothwell parties?

Have also heard the Hawks are looking at some gun New Norfolk players and also heard yesterday that a couple of Hawks may be Claremont-bound in 2008?

What kept Benny Lang from playing yesterday? Wasn't disappointed when I couldn't see his name in Friday's paper.

What would you say the crowd figure was yesterday, Oz?

 

[Orange Meanie]

It was the worst umpiring i have ever seen in a game of football. How can a 13 year old umpire a grand final when he didn't even know which way to signal the free kicks. It was a disgrace.

By the way did you hear the siren.

So enlighten us Benny which team were you supporting ? ? Correct me if I am wrong but if we go by your theory does that mean that only umpires that are over 40 can umpire mens football if 13 year olds cant up 13 year olds ? ? ? ?

The games I have seen this year havent been influenced by umpiring, I must get a look at the scoreboard from this game. Bet it was prob a flogging and one team was looking for someone to blame. Anywonder we see those stupid ads at the start of each year trying to get umpires with moronic people like yourself on here.

Geez I love nothing more than umpire bashing but 13 year olds ??? Get a life.

P.S TFLUA Tiger if your an umpire do you think you should be adding fuel
to fire by naming umpires when its obvious idiots on here having nothing better to do than run others down ?

P.S.S Get on my boys The Bunna for the flag next year, already some big recruits on the horizon.

 

[Cadoras]

P.S.S Get on my boys The Bunna for the flag next year, already some big recruits on the horizon.

Well....well...If I remember correctly, on the eve of Triabunna's debut season, there was a nice picture and article in the Mercury of a "Gun" Triabunna player Damien Hodgson - He predicted that Triabunna would be a force with their "recruits" and make the finals in their first year....little did he know that it would backfire in his face and he eventually retired at the end of the season without a win to his name!............Will this be different this time? Time will tell.

 

[sportstalk07]

tips for this weekends games??

While I have begun a new job, I've found time rather difficult to get my tips across...so yes, that's the reason.

 

[sportstalk07]

From memory what I saw briefly tonight in the Premier League it was Clarence 15.13 (103) over North Hobart 13.13 (91) in front of a healthy crowd at North Hobart in the Qualifying Final.
In the Elimination Final up at Boyer, New Norfolk 19.15 (129) defeated the Hobart Lions 10.10 (70).
Hobart Lions won the reserves over New Norfolk and Glenorchy beat Hobart Lions in the colts in coach John Edge's last game with the club.
Claremont beat the Central Hawks by 4 points - how shattered would they be? - Out in straight sets by 4-points both times, kicking themselves out of last week's and losing with a kick after the siren this week - that's as cruel a finals run as a couple of Hobart's in the early 00's under Gillbee.
Kermandie won easily over Huonville Lions by 30-odd points.

SFL schedule for next weekend...
SFL Premier League Elimination Semi Final (venue TBA, maybe Boyer)
Seniors - New Norfolk v North Hobart; Reserves - Hobart v Clarence; Under 19 - Hobart v Kingborough

Qualifying Semi Final (venue likely to be KGV)
Seniors - Glenorchy v Clarence; Reserves and Under 19's - North Hobart v Glenorchy

SFL Regional League Final Eliminatior (venue North Hobart)
Seniors - Huonville v Claremont; Reserves - Sorell v Dodges Ferry; Under 17 - Sorell v Huonville

Have seen a NTFL schedule somewhere, can't recall it precisely, but I know that on Saturday, Launceston v Ulverstone at Windsor Park and Sunday at Youngtown is North L'ton v Latrobe.

There are two matches at Devonport, which are on the Sunday, as Smithton's reserves are in the finals and aren't required to travel as east as Latrobe, under NTFL rules.

NTFA are not known at this stage, Qualifying Final is Longford and Bracknell and Elimination final is Deloraine and Bridgenorth

Locations likely to be Youngtown for the QF Saturday and maybe Deloraine on the Sunday??

 

[Benny_]

The games I have seen this year havent been influenced by umpiring, I must get a look at the scoreboard from this game. Bet it was prob a flogging and one team was looking for someone to blame. Anywonder we see those stupid ads at the start of each year trying to get umpires with moronic people like yourself on here

I was going for Sorell and they lost by 3 points but the game should be overturned as Lauderdale kicked a goal 10 seconds after the siren went. So it wasnt a flogging. It doesnt matter how old the umpire is to cop a verbal bashing, if he is umpiring a grand final then you expect better than that. You think an umpire umpiring in a Grand Final would know which way to signal.