News Taylor Adams coming to Pies? Hine: "Yeah, I think so"

[Lefthanded]

He is ours if we can come up with a trade IMO.

Richmond have nothing to trade, GWS want tall defenders and they are in short supply at Punt Rd and what's another pick worth to them?

Carlton, its Mick, he will offer them Hampson or some other dud and then complain they won't deal.

Essendon, cant see anyone wanting to go there when half the team might be ruled out.

Cats, no currency, that they will be prepared to part with.

Agree on Richmond, plus if signed Martin & Conca will have less to satisfy Adams too
Disagree most on Cats - they've shown willingness to get the deal done when they want someone (Caddy, McIntosh last year)

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Draft is the best option. Best way of finding a star. Hoping Bucks doesn't give homes to players like White Karnezis. Rather see a few years of us not challenging for the flag and building a new list and being a power again.

White is 25
Adams is 20 and a known gun

Not sure picking up those 2 while still having at LEAST 1 top 10 pick (potentially Pick 2) is such a drama. We get a super high pick for a young gun, pick up a KNOWN young gun and also attain a forward/ruck who at the very least APPEARS to be approaching his prime.

How is that not a great short, medium AND long term plan that keeps us up there without having to bottom out?

Come on dude, I know you're all Mr.Negativity at the moment, but even I was a little more open minded when we were under Malthouse for all those years.

 

[morgoth]

Agree, with Grundy, Kennedy and Broomhead last year, plus maybe Adams and another first rounders, we will have had 5 first rounders in 2 years. Only critism would be nothing in the top 5.

 

[DaVe86]

We wont.

We **** this shit up every time. We'll end up with just Karnezis. LOL.

I disagree, we have pretty much got our man over the last few years. Not all have been successful, but if we have targetted them we have got them.

Young and Lynch are examples last year. May not have paid off, but we were able to pry them from their clubs.

Then there is Ball and Jolly, and Tarrant and Krakouer (who we convinced to come to us).

We have been one of the better performed teams on the trade table of recent times.

We also did well last year to secure 2 first round picks for Dawes and Wellingham

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

Agree on Richmond, plus if signed Martin & Conca will have less to satisfy Adams too
Disagree most on Cats - they've shown willingness to get the deal done when they want someone (Caddy, McIntosh last year)

I'd also be worried about Geelong but I'm pondering how hard they'll push to get Adams over us. Who are their existing inside mids? Selwood, Caddy, Kelly, Bartel ... The latter 2 are getting on I guess. Adams seems a very similar type to Selwood in style and physique. I wonder if they'll be attracted by this or feel they need other types of players. At least it's good to seem like we are in front at his stage.

 

[mattys123]

Agree, with Grundy, Kennedy and Broomhead last year, plus maybe Adams and another first rounders, we will have had 5 first rounders in 2 years. Only critism would be nothing in the top 5.

GRUNDY WAS TOP 3.

No really, he should have gone top 3, so we have a top 5 talent pick right there.

 

[year of the cat]

I'd also be worried about Geelong but I'm pondering how hard they'll push to get Adams over us. Who are their existing inside mids? Selwood, Caddy, Kelly, Bartel ... The latter 2 are getting on I guess. Adams seems a very similar type to Selwood in style and physique. I wonder if they'll be attracted by this or feel they need other types of players at this stage. At least it's good to seem like we are in front at his stage

With regard to us, we have J.Corey retiring this year and it appears that Kelly and Bartel probably only have 1 and 2 years left in them respectively. He would be close to be guaranteed a game from next year even with those champions still on our list. I think that Scott has shown he is prepared to make the hard decisions on the older players - if the kids are equally as deserving in getting game then they will be given preference. With Corey, J.Hunt, Pods and probably Chappy on the way out we have a fair bit of room in our cap to play with.

Aside from that Adams obviously hails from Geelong and did barrack for us as a kid for what that's worth.

I'd say that it would be unlikely he will go to anyone other than one of our 2 teams.

 

[Pies12]

Would do anything to get a hold of pick 1 or 2.

Package up Shaw and Blair plus first pick, etc etc.

We need to be pro-active and take some risks IMO

 

[morgoth]

I'd also be worried about Geelong but I'm pondering how hard they'll push to get Adams over us. Who are their existing inside mids? Selwood, Caddy, Kelly, Bartel ... The latter 2 are getting on I guess. Adams seems a very similar type to Selwood in style and physique. I wonder if they'll be attracted by this or feel they need other types of players. At least it's good to seem like we are in front at his stage.

With Pods near the end and Hawkins having a bad back you would have to think they would be more interested in a tall forward than another mid.

Watched there two's and seemed to be plenty of mid types but no true KPF.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

With regard to us, we have J.Corey retiring this year and it appears that Kelly and Bartel probably only have 1 and 2 years left in them respectively. He would be close to be guaranteed a game from next year even with those champions still on our list. I think that Scott has shown he is prepared to make the hard decisions on the older players - if the kids are equally as deserving in getting game then they will be given preference. With Corey, J.Hunt, Pods and probably Chappy on the way out we have a fair bit of room in our cap to play with.

Aside from that Adams obviously hails from Geelong and did barrack for us as a kid for what that's worth.

I'd say that it would be unlikely he will go to anyone other than one of our 2 teams.

Thanks for the input. Although I hope we can outfox you on this one (for a change!)

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Sounds like Adams is doing a Juddy when it comes to nominating a preferred club...

"I'll announce a preferred club in due course "

"Pssst, only Carltank have the picks to trade for you, Juddy, and they'll give you a cushy job at VISY for a stack of money and no responsibility. No-one else is prepared to trade for you".

"****, you mean there's really only one club to choose from?" "Ahem, I'd like to announce that I wish to be traded to Carltank, they've really impressed me with their presentation and I like where their, uh... list is headed."

 

[Obese Arachnid]

With regard to us, we have J.Corey retiring this year and it appears that Kelly and Bartel probably only have 1 and 2 years left in them respectively. He would be close to be guaranteed a game from next year even with those champions still on our list. I think that Scott has shown he is prepared to make the hard decisions on the older players - if the kids are equally as deserving in getting game then they will be given preference. With Corey, J.Hunt, Pods and probably Chappy on the way out we have a fair bit of room in our cap to play with.

Aside from that Adams obviously hails from Geelong and did barrack for us as a kid for what that's worth.

I'd say that it would be unlikely he will go to anyone other than one of our 2 teams.

Not after Selwood anymore?

 

[TradeDraft]

GRUNDY WAS TOP 3.

No really, he should have gone top 3, so we have a top 5 talent pick right there.

Spot on Matty. I still can get over that Grundy fell that far

 

[year of the cat]

Not after Selwood anymore?

Sounds like that may be one of those spurious trading rumours....

 

[Collingwood pro]

Why don't we get
Shaw for Adams to replace ball
Trade out some other players and possibly get white but I reckon we should get adams
Then in the draft use pick 10 to get the next best Tall Forward and since we have one of the best recruiting teams going around, we could get a brilliant player.
(If we get compo for Thomas for if he leaves then we could use that to trade or draft another midfielder).
Just a thought

 

[HFF]

I'd be satisfied with a deal of Shaw for Adams, however, I would firstly explore all opportunities of snaring Boyd first if it can be done.

If that can be done, we should be all over it.

 

[Enforcer]

Channel10 reporting that Carlton has offered Taylor Adams a "lucrative" contract....cough,cough,cough....

 

[sr36]

I want two young inside mids this trade/draft period. I hope that Adams is one of them.

 

[loki04]

I want two young inside mids this trade/draft period. I hope that Adams is one of them.

Seriously even if we miss out on him we have a high chance of getting a better player with pick 10 and 11 anyway.

Crouch is rated higher as an inside mid for example.

 

[September Action]

I imagine it would be a number of factors and you identified a number of those factors I'm also thinking of.

Our veterans aren't as outwardly enthusiastic about winning as those Geelong/Sydney veterans who have lasted into their 30s and still remained productive. You look at those veterans at Geelong and they collectively hate losing. You look at those Sydney veterans and they all play with the joy of first year players. I don't see that rare passion with Collingwood's veterans. So there may be something to that arguement.
Perhaps they don't look after themselves as well over the offseasons, I suggest so as Sydney and Geelong have the most professional programs in the competition at the moment but you can never quite say for certain if you're not inside the club.

It also and mostly I'd say comes down to the training and managing of the veterans.

You need to manage their load better. Get their training levels right and perhaps limit the quantity of games they play. Give them a couple of games rest during the year to ensure they're cherry ripe. Ben Hudson as one example I wouldn't play more than four weeks in a row before giving him a rest. After playing two weeks in a row he struggles for those next games and doesn't play with that same energy.
Perhaps we need to start resting and managing players from a younger age to keep them going for a couple more years. It's up to those sports science people to find the solution.

This is an interesting post.

I've long held the theory that Collingwood players are happy with less on field success than some others given they are deified no matter what. Huge club, massive off field opportunities, adoring (and massive) fan base, finals like games every week, the best of training facilities, etc. etc. I think this potentially leads to less discipline/professionalism, off firld indiscretions and Premiership hangovers.

I'm sure this is the culture Buckley is seeking to change. Changing Collingwood to a place where you're not a hero unless you've left no stone unturned in trying for the ultimate success.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Seriously even if we miss out on him we have a high chance of getting a better player with pick 10 and 11 anyway.

Crouch is rated higher as an inside mid for example.

Rated higher by who, as an example?

 

[mattys123]

Channel10 reporting that Carlton has offered Taylor Adams a "lucrative" contract....cough,cough,cough....

Carlton or Carltonwood?

 

[MagpieJoel]

Carlton or Carltonwood?

Collingwood reserves.

 

[loki04]

Rated higher by who, as an example?

People who watch under 18s, Colin Wisbey is one, KM also from our board and a few others.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

This is an interesting post.

I've long held the theory that Collingwood players are happy with less on field success than some others given they are deified no matter what. Huge club, massive off field opportunities, adoring (and massive) fan base, finals like games every week, the best of training facilities, etc. etc. I think this potentially leads to less discipline/professionalism, off firld indiscretions and Premiership hangovers.

I'm sure this is the culture Buckley is seeking to change. Changing Collingwood to a place where you're not a hero unless you've left no stone unturned in trying for the ultimate success.

This is an extremely insightful post and what I've been thinking for years now. Older Pies fans will be able to see the patterns you describe going back to the 80s. It's funny I can remember Tony Shaw post 1990 and then taking over as coach having a lot of bravado about how we were not a successful club and needed to change our thinking. He was right of course but I think he was wrong the way he went about trying to change the club. Looking back Matthews and Malthouse were successful at Collingwood because they were such large figures in the game that they demanded respect from some of our rock stars and celebs and they convinced them for short periods about the need to humble and subjugate yourself toward the team goal. I totally agree that Sydney, Geelong and hawthorn have been able to create this effect on a more sustained basis which is why they are more successful than us. I am sick of collingwood players who lack desire and professionalism. I would rather they go than continue pissing about at our expense. In principle I support bucks stance. I just hope he doesn't screw it'd up like tony shaw who was too heavy handed and abusive toward players. I trust him to have more deftness and consideration and the ability to see the bigger picture. Club culture does matter and there is a reason why uncontracted players gravitate to hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney. We need to make ourselves that first choice. We were close after 2010 but somehow we've lost the plot again.