The 1975 ladder after round 16

[Dan26]

HAW 15-1........ 149.7
CARL 14-2....... 140.0
RICH 9-7......... 113.8
N.M 9-7.......... 106.7
COLL 9-7......... 92.1
ST.K 8-8......... 104.5
FOOT 8-8........ 97.8
ESS 7-9.......... 90.7
MELB 6-10....... 87.7
FITZ 5-11.........95.4
GEEL 5-11.........77.3
S.M 1-15......... 71.8

Worth noting that after round 16 in 1975 there was am amazing 5 win gap between 2nd and 3rd on the ladder. The top two teams were miles clear and certain Grand Final opponents. Bit like this year.

Only one of them played in the Grand Final, and the one that did, lost it by nearly 10 goals.

 

[RUNVS]

S.M 1-15......... 71.8

The Swans were in brilliant form that year.

 

[TassieSaint]

Had look on wikipedia, and it says Brent Croswell was traded to the Roos after the season started, having already played for the Blues? I didn't know mid-season trades were ever legal, pretty bloody dodgy.

 

[Andrew Mc]

The Swans were in brilliant form that year.

They were brilliant form against Geelong at any rate - beat them both times they played...

 

[Hawkk]

HAW 15-1........ 149.7
CARL 14-2....... 140.0
RICH 9-7......... 113.8
N.M 9-7.......... 106.7
COLL 9-7......... 92.1
ST.K 8-8......... 104.5
FOOT 8-8........ 97.8
ESS 7-9.......... 90.7
MELB 6-10....... 87.7
FITZ 5-11.........95.4
GEEL 5-11.........77.3
S.M 1-15......... 71.8

Worth noting that after round 16 in 1975 there was am amazing 5 win gap between 2nd and 3rd on the ladder. The top two teams were miles clear and certain Grand Final opponents. Bit like this year.

Only one of them played in the Grand Final, and the one that did, lost it by nearly 10 goals.

Look at those percentages compared to the rest of the competition

 

[The Stifmeister]

Had look on wikipedia, and it says Brent Croswell was traded to the Roos after the season started, having already played for the Blues? I didn't know mid-season trades were ever legal, pretty bloody dodgy.

I think they introduced a ten year rule or some thing like that. I would not know because I was not around.

 

[pazza]

Had look on wikipedia, and it says Brent Croswell was traded to the Roos after the season started, having already played for the Blues? I didn't know mid-season trades were ever legal, pretty bloody dodgy.

Happened regularly before and after this.

Nice get by North...on top of everyone else they grabbed in the 70's. How they only won 2 flags....

 

[Dan26]

Happened regularly before and after this.

Nice get by North...on top of everyone else they grabbed in the 70's. How they only won 2 flags....

What do you mean only????

One premiership is hard to win. And you're implying that it should have been 3 or more, and that two wasn't enough?????????

Two is a lot. Premierships are hard to win, they don't fall off trees. In any given year, there are usually 3-4 contenders and all of those contenders, bar one will always miss out.

If anything North was lucky to win even one. Their two flags both came from 3rd, and in both premiership years they lost a previous final before the Grand Final.

 

[Zvim]

Happened regularly before and after this.

Nice get by North...on top of everyone else they grabbed in the 70's. How they only won 2 flags....

Given Essendon pushed the 10 year rule through to try and poach some good players to try and win a flag I think we showed how much of a crock free agency is, we went from a nothing side to a force in the mid to late 70s.

 

[Catsace]

What do you mean only????

One premiership is hard to win. And you're implying that it should have been 3 or more, and that two wasn't enough?????????

Two is a lot. Premierships are hard to win, they don't fall off trees. In any given year, there are usually 3-4 contenders and all of those contenders, bar one will always miss out.

If anything North was lucky to win even one. Their two flags both came from 3rd, and in both premiership years they lost a previous final before the Grand Final.

North became the only and remain the only club to participate in 27 games in 1977, with the drawn Grand Final adding that extra match to their schedule. Amazingly the Kangaroos who had the double chance from 1974 through to 1979, lost all six 2nd semi's they played in that time, and also lost the same game in 1983. The Kangaroos played seven 2nd semis in the final five era (1972-1990) and lost them all.

 

[Spluff]

It feels odd to see Richmond up the top of the ladder.

 

[Zvim]

North became the only and remain the only club to participate in 27 games in 1977, with the drawn Grand Final adding that extra match to their schedule. Amazingly the Kangaroos who had the double chance from 1974 through to 1979, lost all six 2nd semi's they played in that time, and also lost the same game in 1983. The Kangaroos played seven 2nd semis in the final five era (1972-1990) and lost them all.

There were some very good sides going around that time. Hawthorn, Carlton, Richmond and Collingwood were all packing good sides.

 

[True Bluebagger]

Had look on wikipedia, and it says Brent Croswell was traded to the Roos after the season started, having already played for the Blues? I didn't know mid-season trades were ever legal, pretty bloody dodgy.

IIRC Crosswell had a fall out with the Carlton administration and walked out of the club after playing Rd. 1 of 1975.

I am not sure whether any player trade went on between the two clubs and in those days you could move between clubs without any PSD or Trade Week restrictions. The only provisos were that your original club agreed to let you go and the clearance papers had to be lodged and processed before the 30th of June of each season.

I do remember it shocked me at the time that he went to North, as Barassi was the coach there and Crosswell and him had a number of well documented and public fall outs at Blueland and in my naivety I thought that the 'Roos would be the last place he would end up. How wrong I was and ironically Croswell finished his career at Melb. with Ronald Dale in charge there too.

 

[Paul Kersey]

John Kennedy Snr recently said he often wonders why Hawthorn didn't win more flags in the 70s. 1975 must of been one of those years. If memory serves me correct, 74 might have been another.

 

[Dan26]

John Kennedy Snr recently said he often wonders why Hawthorn didn't win more flags in the 70s. 1975 must of been one of those years. If memory serves me correct, 74 might have be
en another.

Geez, you won three in the 1970's. Isn't that enough to be satisfied? Surely three is over-achieving if anything.

Richmond finished top in 1974 and were clearly the best team.

 

[Bort]

HAW 15-1........ 149.7
CARL 14-2....... 140.0
RICH 9-7......... 113.8
N.M 9-7.......... 106.7

Worth noting that after round 16 in 1975 there was am amazing 5 win gap between 2nd and 3rd on the ladder. The top two teams were miles clear and certain Grand Final opponents. Bit like this year.

Only one of them played in the Grand Final, and the one that did, lost it by nearly 10 goals.

From that point both Hawthorn and Carlton lost form, each losing 4 of the remaining 6 H&A games.

North, on the other hand, entered the finals as the form team. Winning 5 of the remaining 6 H&A games. 1975 is the season that North lost the first 4 games.

 

[Dan26]

From that point both Hawthorn and Carlton lost form, each losing 4 of the remaining 6 H&A games.

North, on the other hand, entered the finals as the form team. Winning 5 of the remaining 6 H&A games. 1975 is the season that North lost the first 4 games.

The end of that season was unusual.

Carlton met Hawthorn in round 17. Hawthorn won, and went two games clear, which essentially wrapped up top spot.

Now, in retrpsoect it was unfortunate for both Hawthorn and Carlton that the result didn't go the other way. I'll explain that below.

With Hawthorn being 16-1 and two games clear, they were safe on top, and essentially playing meaningless games from that point on. Carlton, thinking that they couldn't quite overtake Hawthorn, were also playing meaningless games. Being 2 games plus percentage behind a team who had lost only one game, they would think they couldn't catch them.

Carlton would not have expected Hawthorn to lose their last three H&A games which is what happened.

If the result of the Carlton-Hawthorn round 17 game went the other way, both clubs would have been 15-2, and playing vital games in the last 5 weeks to get top spot. Top spot would have been "alive" still.

North, on the other hand were playing vital games every week, to secure 3rd spot, and were far more battle hardened entering September.

North strted the season winning 2 out of 7. Hawthorn finished it winning 2 out of 7.

Carlton went out in straight sets.

Will Geelong and St.Kilda be battle hardened come September?

 

[JoondalupJ]

HAW 15-1........ 149.7
CARL 14-2....... 140.0
RICH 9-7......... 113.8
N.M 9-7.......... 106.7
COLL 9-7......... 92.1
ST.K 8-8......... 104.5
FOOT 8-8........ 97.8
ESS 7-9.......... 90.7
MELB 6-10....... 87.7
FITZ 5-11.........95.4
GEEL 5-11.........77.3
S.M 1-15......... 71.8

Worth noting that after round 16 in 1975 there was am amazing 5 win gap between 2nd and 3rd on the ladder. The top two teams were miles clear and certain Grand Final opponents. Bit like this year.

Only one of them played in the Grand Final, and the one that did, lost it by nearly 10 goals.

I was at the game and it was devastating. North's first Flag though, Ricmond had kicked them the year before. We had our revenge in 76 and 78. But yep that year we got belted.
But at round 16 you wouldn't have guessed hey?

 

[JoondalupJ]

The end of that season was unusual.

Carlton met Hawthorn in round 17. Hawthorn won, and went two games clear, which essentially wrapped up top spot.

Now, in retrpsoect it was unfortunate for both Hawthorn and Carlton that the result didn't go the other way. I'll explain that below.

With Hawthorn being 16-1 and two games clear, they were safe on top, and essentially playing meaningless games from that point on. Carlton, thinking that they couldn't quite overtake Hawthorn, were also playing meaningless games. Being 2 games plus percentage behind a team who had lost only one game, they would think they couldn't catch them.

Carlton would not have expected Hawthorn to lose their last three H&A games which is what happened.

If the result of the Carlton-Hawthorn round 17 game went the other way, both clubs would have been 15-2, and playing vital games in the last 5 weeks to get top spot. Top spot would have been "alive" still.

North, on the other hand were playing vital games every week, to secure 3rd spot, and were far more battle hardened entering September.

North strted the season winning 2 out of 7. Hawthorn finished it winning 2 out of 7.

Carlton went out in straight sets.

Will Geelong and St.Kilda be battle hardened come September?

The Hawks will.

 

[Adrian Shelton]

They were brilliant form against Geelong at any rate - beat them both times they played...

Ah shit that made my night!! Not that i was a Cat till 86!!(i was 1 in 75!!)

 

[JoondalupJ]

Happened regularly before and after this.

Nice get by North...on top of everyone else they grabbed in the 70's. How they only won 2 flags....

Yes they only won the two but they played off in 74-75-76-77-(played the replay GF77 after a draw with Magpies )-78. So they appeared in 5 grand finals in a row and actually played in 6, Drew one lost three won two not a bad effort, with good old Ronald Dale Barrassi.

 

[Adrian Shelton]

IIRC Crosswell had a fall out with the Carlton administration and walked out of the club after playing Rd. 1 of 1975.

I am not sure whether any player trade went on between the two clubs and in those days you could move between clubs without any PSD or Trade Week restrictions. The only provisos were that your original club agreed to let you go and the clearance papers had to be lodged and processed before the 30th of June of each season.

I do remember it shocked me at the time that he went to North, as Barassi was the coach there and Crosswell and him had a number of well documented and public fall outs at Blueland and in my naivety I thought that the 'Roos would be the last place he would end up. How wrong I was and ironically Croswell finished his career at Melb. with Ronald Dale in charge there too.

I thought he wound up in the early 80's at Melbourne, under Ron of course!!! whoops badly read!! I guess peace reignied in the end

 

[Hawkk]

Geez, you won three in the 1970's. Isn't that enough to be satisfied? Surely three is over-achieving if anything.

Richmond finished top in 1974 and were clearly the best team.

I've heard him say that as well

1977 was the year that was probably the missed opportunity, we smashed North Melbourne (the eventual premier) in the Qualifying Final, lost by less then a kick to Collingwood (who went from 12th to 1st) but was seemingly annilhated by North in the Preliminary Final

If Hudson didn't go down in 1972 its perfectly plausable that we could have had more success in the '70's then we did in the '80's

The Hawks sides of the '70's are always unfairly overshadowed by the '80s/early '90s sides

 

[krusden]

HAW 15-1........ 149.7
CARL 14-2....... 140.0
RICH 9-7......... 113.8
N.M 9-7.......... 106.7
COLL 9-7......... 92.1
ST.K 8-8......... 104.5
FOOT 8-8........ 97.8
ESS 7-9.......... 90.7
MELB 6-10....... 87.7
FITZ 5-11.........95.4
GEEL 5-11.........77.3
S.M 1-15......... 71.8

Worth noting that after round 16 in 1975 there was am amazing 5 win gap between 2nd and 3rd on the ladder. The top two teams were miles clear and certain Grand Final opponents. Bit like this year.

Only one of them played in the Grand Final, and the one that did, lost it by nearly 10 goals.

sour grapes that the bombers lost eh? ( why else would you dredge up a ladder from 1975?)

 

[Dan26]

sour grapes that the bombers lost eh? ( why else would you dredge up a ladder from 1975?)

What the hell are you on about?