Star Wars The Acolyte

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bzparkes said:
There's a number of people in the video.

Disney's reputation has only gotten worse for this kind of stuff recently, to the point Bob Iger himself said they need to focus on good scripting and filmmaking instead of spreading the 'message' in films(not Lucasfilm specific).

Me personally, I'm not overly concerned over the 'woke' parts that Star Wars is accused of in recent times. It's just the shitty shows they keep churning out that I'm disappointed in myself.
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And that’s perfectly fine if it’s just not jibing for you. Perhaps I could encourage you try some of the more positive fan channels on occasion. You’ll at least find it deepens your enjoyment of the stuff you already like.
 
Kellythatsit said:
And that’s perfectly fine if it’s just not jibing for you. Perhaps I could encourage you try some of the more positive fan channels on occasion. You’ll at least find it deepens your enjoyment of the stuff you already like.
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Fair comment.

I ended up on a weird tangent because I was responding to why people supposedly are review bombing the series, I guess.

We all ended up going down the rabbit hole.
 
bzparkes said:
Fair comment.

I ended up on a weird tangent because I was responding to why people supposedly are review bombing the series, I guess.

We all ended up going down the rabbit hole.
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Nah just you. Repeatedly.
 

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SM said:
And that caused you to go find deranged YouTube videos?
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They're not 'deranged', you chose not to watch them and decided they were 'deranged'.

If you watch them and still decide they are 'deranged', then fair enough, that's your opinion.

That video with the Execs is all over Twitter by the way, Elon Musk was the one who re-tweeted it.
 
bzparkes said:
They're not 'deranged', you chose not to watch them and decided they were 'deranged'.

If you watch them and still decide they are 'deranged', then fair enough, that's your opinion.

That video with the Execs is all over Twitter by the way, Elon Musk was the one who re-tweeted it.
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And has already been discredited in this thread. Why would I waste my time watching them when the story is always the same?
 
bzparkes said:
Well it's simple: So you can form your own opinion instead of simply using someone else's.

How do you know the 'discrediting' is correct?
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How is watching a video made in bad faith going to let me form my own opinion if your intention is we take the video as fact and let it form our opinion for us?

Use your brain mate ffs
 
SM said:
How is watching a video made in bad faith going to let me form my own opinion if your intention is we take the video as fact and let it form our opinion for us?

Use your brain mate ffs
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You literally refuse to watch/read any information posted because you have already made up your mind on the matter.

That's woeful.

Don't bother quoting me again.
 
bzparkes said:
You literally refuse to watch/read any information posted because you have already made up your mind on the matter.

That's woeful.

Don't bother quoting me again.
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What a strange melt. I'm sorry I don't lick the boots of dude bros like you seem to.
 
bzparkes said:
They're not 'deranged', you chose not to watch them and decided they were 'deranged'.

If you watch them and still decide they are 'deranged', then fair enough, that's your opinion.

That video with the Execs is all over Twitter by the way, Elon Musk was the one who re-tweeted it.
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Grand Wizard Elon isn't a very good sales pitch.
 

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bzparkes said:
I'm not saying his opinion is right or wrong on the matter, I'm saying it wasn't found in the dark corners of the internet.
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He loves a conspiracy theory. He lives in the dark corners of the Web.
 
Kellythatsit said:
There’s enough that actors and creators have dumped their socials, sought counselling, and provoked an official Lucasfilm response to call it out.

With regard to the supposed gaping plot holes: the Jedi identifying and taking children into the order has been established for the last 25 years. As for fires in space: I’d like to introduce you to the entire back catalogue of a little franchise we call Star Wars. (Sorry, I have no idea what you’re even referring to about the burning citadel but I’m assuming it’s as banal and inconsequential as the previous complaints).

My point is, these issues have not been a problem in fandom until now. They’re being raised now, however, to desperately legitimise the truly bizarre hatred and vehemence that’s continually leveled at the show.



Then why do you continue to bring it up as a point of issue with the series. It sounds to me like you’re trying to have it both ways.


Holy shit! What the **** can they do?

They tried to bring back Star Wars by reminding us why we love it and play off the original films beats.
FAN RESPONSE: Bah! That’s just a rip off of A New Hope.

They tried to go the other way and make something that was a bit different and challenge our conceptual understanding of Star Wars.
FAN RESPONSE: That’s too different. ****ing die.

They tried to go middle of of the road with something new but also nostalgic:
FAN RESPONSE: Too safe. Let’s not even bother watching it. Give us something new.

They tried to make a series set in an unexplored time period, showcasing cool fight scenes, featuring the Sith and dark magic
FAN RESPONSE: Bah! Fires in space. Also, the director and lead actor are gay.

Star Wars fans have so many conditions to enjoy Star Wars. They’re IMPOSSIBLE to please.
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As i've said before, this is revisionist history and a laughable attempt to explain away the failure of The Last Jedi.

The Force Awakens was widely enjoyed on release.
 
FlowersByIrene said:
As i've said before, this is revisionist history and a laughable attempt to explain away the failure of The Last Jedi.

The Force Awakens was widely enjoyed on release.
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WTF? That’s exactly what they did.

I’m not arguing The Force Awakens wasn’t successful but to deny there was a swell of dissatisfaction and angry fanbois complaining about a lack of originality is, as you say, “revisionist history”. I can point to threads on this very website filled with people complaining about The Force Awakens when it first released.

Also, see YouTube.

As for The Last Jedi, please show me where I’m wrong. Unless you’re contending Lucasfilm didn’t try anything different? Or that it didn’t contain concepts and themes designed to challenge the audience?
 
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Kellythatsit said:
WTF? That’s exactly what they did.

I’m not arguing The Force Awakens wasn’t successful but to deny there was a swell of dissatisfaction and angry fanbois complaining about a lack of originality is, as you say, “revisionist history”. I can point to threads on this very website filled with people complaining about The Force Awakens when it first released.

Also, see YouTube.

As for The Last Jedi, please show me where I’m wrong. Unless you’re contending Lucasfilm didn’t try anything different? Or that it didn’t contain concepts and themes designed to challenge the audience?
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I'm saying that the position that "The Force Awakens was already flawed" is just a take by TLJ fanbois and Disney-apologists designed to take away criticism from The Last Jedi. As I've covered before, The Force Awakes was a massive success and was largely enjoyed (not everyone would like it of course) but almost universally seen as a good addition to the series - until The Last Jedi came and retroactively ruined it by providing no explanation for Rey's insane powers, no interesting aspects to Snoke, a Luke Skywalker that was inconsistent with everything we know about him and a myriad of other failures.
 
Sarcoidevo said:
Force Awakens was just Stars Wars rehashed .... very disappointing
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Correct, but still better than anything else Disney has made. Same way that a Whopper is just a Whopper with Cheese without the Cheese, at least it's a Whopper and not whatever slop Disney has produced since.
 
bzparkes said:
Surprised they hired any to begin with, considering what's come out in the last day or so.



But anyway, this isn't about the Acolyte, so I'll leave this particular topic of discussion to a more relevant thread.
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I watched this. He's clearly not a former employee spilling the beans because he has an axe to grind. He's a Senior Disney Vice President commenting on their current employment practices.
  • Disney policy is to actively discriminate against white men.
  • The guy was passed over for a position to a less experienced candidate who fitted the right DEI criteria.
  • Does he have a future at Disney? "As a white male, he's not what they are looking for".
  • For one particular back office role someone of mixed race was rejected because they didn't look black enough.
  • "You hear it all the time. I'm looking to hire writers and actors who bring diversity. I'm not looking to being any more clients who are white".
The relevance to The Acolyte is that Disney are hiring based on diversity criteria rather than talent and competence.
 

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