Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[ManWithNoName]

Ive booed Goodes the majority of his career, and when i fly up to Sydney for the Swans Pies game, i wont be booing him for that exact reason. I think its important to be respectful to anybody that feels so pressured and discredited to the extent that they feel they are unable to undertake their profession and the thing they love, it really needs to stop for that reason. I dont disagree with you at all in that sense.

I think its a step though to decide that anyone who boos Goodes is racist (as alot of people choose to say) and that the booing is a are racial attacks on a minority. Ive booed Goodes just as a booed Judd and just as I've booed Jobe, great players who end up in controversial situations tend to be booed (Milne, Harry O, Fev, the list goes on). I don't think Goodes should get special treatment because he is aboriginal, i boo him as i boo any other footballer and i can full empathize with people who refuse to be told that the way they are barracking is wrong. In saying that it needs to stop, im also saying Goodes needs to harden up, and it comes with the territory of being a controversial figure

It's not deciding everyone booing him is a racist. It's that if someone does it knowing it's perceived as such, then they can't complain being labelled as such.

 

[peppy la pew]

Sorry for you seeing that I'm shoving down your throat ....I'm not trying to

Just trying to get people to understand the issue .....racism cuts really deep into someone's psychology

Sorry for,offending

All I'm saying a small bit if education for people in cultural issue can go a long way to healing wounds for people ....

Education is alive and well in the education curriculum

No need to preach on a footy forum about politics

 

[ManWithNoName]

we are playing the "i don't think you're racist, but don't get upset if i call you one" game.

we all know the 'racist' accusation is a shaming tactic to get people to stop a certain behaviour that they find uncomfortable to watch. and which most people, even here it seems, agree is mostly not racist. you'd be better of saying: "if you continue to boo don't be upset if we label you an insensitive prick". but 'racist' has that punch that you think will enable you to shame people into stopping.

So you go tell the Indigenous players they're wrong to think of it as racist. Off you go.

 

[Mat Mann]

I felt at the start of the week, there was alot of defenders of the booing of Adam Goodes with reason why its not just but something else.

But by the end of the week the defenders were in the minority and backed into a corner with alot of public & high profile people backing Goodes and labeling the booing as bad/disgrace and racist.

or maybe just people who objected to being called racists, have given all fight because its easy to use the racist card and have no need to back it up.

me, I've moved onto that poor surfer who wasn't attacked by the mean mean shark and then had a poor me moment on 60minutes.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

we are playing the "i don't think you're racist, but don't get upset if i call you one" game.

we all know the 'racist' accusation is a shaming tactic to get people to stop a certain behaviour that they find uncomfortable to watch. and which most people, even here it seems, agree is mostly not racist. you'd be better off saying: "if you continue to boo don't be upset if we label you an insensitive prick". but 'racist' has that punch that you think will enable you to shame people into stopping.

Interesting point about the "racist-shaming" tactic. Especially when it is largely reversed with "****-shaming" where the "shamers" get called out for "****-shaming".

 

[ColdWarWarrior]

Goodes is an extremely divisive charachter thats why people boo him, Goodes can do a war dance and pretend to throw a spear at opposition supporters but he can't handle the reaction that causes. Goodes needs to pull his head in and realise the game is not all about him.

 

[tacopavlich]

It's not deciding everyone booing him is a racist. It's that if someone does it knowing it's perceived as such, then they can't complain being labelled as such.

It doesn't matter what Goodes perceives it to be, because he is wrong. Adam Goodes isn't talking about equal treatment here, he wants special treatment. If he wants booing against all players stopped, then it's a different matter. He just likes playing the race card because it's easier.

 

[Inspector Malceski]

Goodes is an extremely divisive charachter thats why people boo him, Goodes can do a war dance and pretend to throw a spear at opposition supporters but he can't handle the reaction that causes. Goodes needs to pull his head in and realise the game is not all about him.

a racist always has excuses to why.

 

[ManWithNoName]

It doesn't matter what Goodes perceives it to be, because he is wrong. Adam Goodes isn't talking about equal treatment here, he wants special treatment. If he wants booing against all players stopped, then it's a different matter. He just likes playing the race card because it's easier.

So every Indigenous player is wrong?

If a large group of Indigenous people tell you they see X as racist and you continue to do X, exactly what is it that doesn't make that action, or you in that moment, racist?

 

[tacopavlich]

So you go tell the Indigenous players they're wrong to think of it as racist. Off you go.

You like to play the majority argument when ever it fits you but disregard it when it isn't convenient. Have you noticed this?

 

[Footy Is The Win]

So what's Adam Goodes going to do now? Is he going to be strong, shrug this off and just get on with doing the only thing he is good at, at a time when his team/company/employer need him, and stick it up everyone by playing champion football?

Will he come out and say 'this isn't racially motivated, I have personal issues, please excuse the time away I've had but now I'm back and let's get on with the game'?

 

[HoopsAhoy]

It's not deciding everyone booing him is a racist. It's that if someone does it knowing it's perceived as such, then they can't complain being labelled as such.

So now you advocate the very behaviour of judgement by blanket perception and generalisation by which many others, and no doubt yourself, would vigorously decry as being the very basis for racial discrimination against Aboriginals.

 

[hardon]

Interesting point about the "racist-shaming" tactic. Especially when it is largely reversed with "****-shaming" where the "shamers" get called out for "****-shaming".

i've seen mostly in american debate they use the "race-baiter" accusation to counter the initial accusations of racism. i've waited for it to be used here but it pro'lly wouldn't carry the same weight.

 

[ManWithNoName]

You like to play the majority argument when ever it fits you but disregard it when it isn't convenient. Have you noticed this?

Probably because the opinion of the group that feels targeted is relevant. The opinion of Andrew Bolt and Shane Warne is not.

 

[ManWithNoName]

So now you advocate the very behaviour of judgement by blanket perception and generalisation by which many others, and no doubt yourself, would vigorously decry as being the very basis for racial discrimination against Aboriginals.

Yep. It's not a black and white issue sadly. It ain't that easy.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

i've seen mostly in american debate they use the "race-baiter" accusation to counter the initial accusations of racism. i've waited for it to be used here but it pro'lly wouldn't carry the same weight.

Yes I've seen that too. There doesn't seem to be an established race-baiting career path out here along the lines of people like "Reverend" Al Sharpton, Louius Farrakan etc.

 

[tacopavlich]

So every Indigenous player is wrong?

If a large group of Indigenous people tell you they see X as racist and you continue to do X, exactly what is it that doesn't make that action, or you in that moment, racist?

Yes they are wrong. Racism is about treating another race lesser than another. Racism is not determined by what a race thinks is offensive or not. Even if the act of booing is seen as culturally insensitive to aboriginals for some reason or another, that doesn't make it racist.

I don't think you have a good grasp of what racism actually is.

 

[Mr Lizard]

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Yes they are wrong. Racism is about treating another race lesser than another. Racism is not determined by what a race thinks is offensive or not. Even if the act of booing is seen as culturally insensitive to aboriginals for some reason or another, that doesn't make it racist.

I don't think you have a good grasp of what racism actually is.

Exactly. Everyday actions we perform somewhere somehow could offend anybody really.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yes they are wrong. Racism is about treating another race lesser than another. Racism is not determined by what a race thinks is offensive or not. Even if the act of booing is seen as culturally insensitive to aboriginals for some reason or another, that doesn't make it racist.

I don't think you have a good grasp of what racism actually is.

So why is Goodes booed so much when the things he's "done" are so much less than what other players have done? Coincidence?

 

[peppy la pew]

There could be recorded footage of a white guy in a car running down an aboriginal, getting out of the car and saying, "Got'cha, you filthy ****in' coon." and there'd still be apologists who'd try to spin it. "He didn't run him over on purpose, he didn't see him. It was an accident."

And there it is

 

[Wargreymon90]

Goodes is an extremely divisive charachter thats why people boo him, Goodes can do a war dance and pretend to throw a spear at opposition supporters but he can't handle the reaction that causes. Goodes needs to pull his head in and realise the game is not all about him.

WHy cant we accept the fact that hes proud of his heritage and wanted to express it during INDIGENOUS ROUND.

 

[DrEvil_]

Jack Watts up from 1.4% to 1.6% today

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I boo him cause of jack watts.

 

[DrEvil_]

I boo him cause of jack watts.

You know you can change you vote, I did.