Oh ok, kinda like the illuminati.It was collective. But I suspect you know that.
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Oh ok, kinda like the illuminati.It was collective. But I suspect you know that.
Goddard telling the fans on 360 that if it continues there will be ramifications very interesting making threats to the fans
Very well said.
Unfortunately in the 100+ pages that have been posted contributions like this that really should be read are going to be missed in amongst the tons of "Nah it's just cause he's a dickhead" posts.
My issue with people saying he's a shit human being is because some (might not be you by the way) don't like the way he has taken a stance on race. This thread is littered with examples of how people don't like the way he went about it. I don't think this is a legitimate reason to boo him.the booing of goodes is because he is just a shit bloke, a whinging diving campaigner on the football field. they do not boo him for his heritage they boo him for just being a shit campaigner of a human bean
in other words be a compliant black man who doesn't offend your view of the world
and what on-field tactics are you referring to?
Does anyone honestly believe in this day and age that Goodes is being booed for his skin color?
Seriously?!?
He is being booed as he has used his position as Australian of the year to foster an us against them mentality and in effect saying all non indigenous Australians should be ashamed of our past and what this country has achieved.
How else did Adam Goodes expect this to play out? And booing him for disagreeing with his views is not racist.
Imagine if Tony Abbott pulled on a footy jumper. Imagine the boos that would reign down from people who disagreed with him.
Goodes is booed for his divisive words, not his skin color
Race totally has nothing to do with it you guys!!!
Oh ok, kinda like the illuminati.
Andrew doesnt conduct himself in the same manner as Adam. As we have said before, this isnt about Adams race, its about being a knob. Macca doesnt go on about evil white men. I have spoken to him about racism in the AFL, including the Matt Rendell issue.what would Andrew McLeod say about it do you think?
Big difference between Goodes and Jetta, Franklin, etc. They've never taken a political stance publicly and confronted the plight of their race. Do you reckon there might be something in that?no his diving & antics to the umpires.
making a stand against racism yeah thats fine, i've got nothing against that for singling out the girl. but now using the race card because he is booed!
so basically if they were attacking him for his culture, why wouldn't people be booing every other indigenous player?
you know like franklin, Jetta etc? hell why not add in every other indigenous player!
lets brand brand every one racists for booing one aboriginal but not the rest of the other players!
FFS
Nope, the next part of the conversation would go something along the lines of the following ... See that son, where Rockliff just came in from the side to tackle Goodes and he threw himself forward trying to con the umpires into giving him an extremely soft free kick. When you play on Saturday, if you do that you will get booed as well. Dont stoop to those levels son, it's just not worth it. And see that son, Goodes dropping his knees and ducking his head, you are better than that as well. Jono Brown never stooped to those levels.
It was an excellent post, thank you.Was a bit long winded but the whole issue really does make my blood boil a bit. The whole thing really upsets me. Guess I'm a bit of a softy like that.
Does anyone honestly believe in this day and age that Goodes is being booed for his skin color?
Seriously?!?
He is being booed as he has used his position as Australian of the year to foster an us against them mentality and in effect saying all non indigenous Australians should be ashamed of our past and what this country has achieved.
How else did Adam Goodes expect this to play out? And booing him for disagreeing with his views is not racist.
Imagine if Tony Abbott pulled on a footy jumper. Imagine the boos that would reign down from people who disagreed with him.
Goodes is booed for his divisive words, not his skin color
People have this moronic idea that racism is about wearing the Australian flag as a cape and screaming "**** the abos!" It's a lot more subtle than that, it's systemic, it's ingrained in our culture. No one, including Goodes, is saying that any individual or collective needs to feel 'guilt' or 'shame' for past atrocities perpetuated against aboriginal Australians. What Goodes and others are doing is trying to get people to recognise is that most people living in this country indirectly benefit from the theft, rape and massacre of an entire group of people. This has lasting impacts and the wounds are still fresh. Aboriginals were still classified as fauna less than 50 years ago. I still find it hard to wrap my head around that. Indigenous heads were sent back on ships to England. Tasmanian aboriginal people were wiped off the face of the planet.
None of this implies any sort of culpability for any one white Australian, including myself. It's not my fault that I benefit from the past slaughtering of indigenous people and I'm not going to apologise to anyone for it. But I DO. And that's the important thing. That's the conversation Goodes was trying to have. Realising that maybe young Travis being in jail or having too much drink isn't just a result of loose morals or poor character, but at least partly because of systemic injustices past and present that put him in a position that you couldn't possibly pretend to fully empathise with.
Unfortunately a large proportion of the Australian population wasn't mature or intelligent enough to have this conversation. They heard terms like 'genocide', 'theft', 'invasion' and 'race problems' and quickly jumped on the defensive. They couldn't spurt out 'but I don't hate aboriginals' quick enough. And unfortunately, this is how real racism is perpetuated. Not because your old fashioned uncle (believe me, I have several) openly said 'you can't trust them' but through the failure of everyday Australians to recognise and own the role they inadvertently play in systemic injustice. So then Goodes is a 'flog', a 'grandstander', 'divisive' and other such nonsense.
This is the reason Goodes was initially booed. Maybe a tiny percentage of Hawthorn supporters (and now seemingly every other club's supporters) that booed him are openly distrusting and resentful towards aboriginal Australians. But mainly because they couldn't handle or understand a conversation that while uncomfortable for them, is a tragic and real necessity for someone like Goodes. Then tribalism kicked in people started booing him because everyone else was and retrospectively performed mental gymnastics to come up with reasons why they did join in.
Like other people have said, the booing stemmed from racial elements, still has a dark racial undertone and is deeply upsetting for the indigenous AFL community as well as Goodes and his family. Initially I'm willing to give many a free pass for getting caught up in the tribalism. That's a lot of what footy is about. But at this point, if you join in, you're overtly racist, subtly racist, or just not very bright. The latter contingent probably constitutes the majority, but why would you even want to be associated with it at this point?
I did say before there is a racial element to the booing, and I understand you would have genuine issues with his advocacy that's not racially based, and I certainly don't think all the booers are racist, only a small minority.
But there are definitely racists in there - as seen by what happened on the weekend - and why would you want to associate with racists anyway by booing with them?
Goddard telling the fans on 360 that if it continues there will be ramifications very interesting making threats to the fans
You mean what was just being said on AFL 360 and the players association stuff.You don't follow much footy media do you?
To which he could just retort with his original comment, because if you don't throw the same vitriol at Lewis, Johnson and Thomas from the opening bounce, you're engaging in a double-standard and it's worth taking a moment to consider why.
no his diving & antics to the umpires.
so basically if they were attacking him for his culture, why wouldn't people be booing every other indigenous player?
Andrew doesnt conduct himself in the same manner as Adam. As we have said before, this isnt about Adams race, its about being a knob. Macca doesnt go on about evil white men. I have spoken to him about racism in the AFL, including the Matt Rendell issue.
Maybe you should talk to him about it.
Even if what this poster said is right re him being AOTYTop post
Some people boo Goodes because they're racists, some people boo him because they don't like him as a person, some boo him because they think he's a dirty player, some people are sheep following the crowd and others are just morons. The reason they boo him doesn't really matter, and here's why:
The booing has gotten to the point where it is being interpreted by the aboriginal community as being racially driven. Now knowing that fact, and still choosing to boo him makes you a what:
Option A: racist
Option B: moron
Option C: troll
Option D: all of the above