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If you want to read it that way.
Since I don't know specifically who is talking about so that may very well be the case.
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Since I don't know specifically who is talking about so that may very well be the case.
If this bloke was senrenced in 2001 , then He "fall from grace" would have probably been 1-2 years before that when He was charged.
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And another massive 6 to Gilly!
I haven't read any other articles (yet). And FWIW - WJ has a very fine missus.
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Hey with all the roomours swirling about I want it to be pre 2001
bmwofoz
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This all reminds me of what Eddie once said on the Footy Show that and I'm para phasing " I would go to the boxing and the gangster types would be there)
FWIW there's an interesting (unrelated) article by Phil Cleary on Fred Cook in The Age as well.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/24/1174597951701.html
and an interesting article by Caroline Wilson where she rips into WCE, as well as Richmond for employing Wayne Johnston as a runner .
http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/...-but-allout-war/2007/03/24/1174597953745.html
I think (as we probably already have), if the Fraser article is true, Voss can be dismissed as a 'candidate'.
As the West Coast experience has shown, this is an issue which becomes worse when leaders are the perpetrators. Former Brisbane Lions captain Michael Voss once physically threatened a young player he discovered smoking a joint. That player is no longer there, and strong leadership from senior players prevented it from become a big issue.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/24/1174597951701.html
and an interesting article by Caroline Wilson where she rips into WCE, as well as Richmond for employing Wayne Johnston as a runner .
http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/...-but-allout-war/2007/03/24/1174597953745.html
I think (as we probably already have), if the Fraser article is true, Voss can be dismissed as a 'candidate'.
As the West Coast experience has shown, this is an issue which becomes worse when leaders are the perpetrators. Former Brisbane Lions captain Michael Voss once physically threatened a young player he discovered smoking a joint. That player is no longer there, and strong leadership from senior players prevented it from become a big issue.
Watching this documentary 'Cocaine Cowboys' not long ago.
They were interviewing this huge dealer from Miami, he said two days before the '79 Superbowl, he had the offensive line from the Pittsburg Steelers doing coke on his coffee table.
Only thing was, this dealer was out of jail with a story to tell, much like this lawyer.
They were interviewing this huge dealer from Miami, he said two days before the '79 Superbowl, he had the offensive line from the Pittsburg Steelers doing coke on his coffee table.
Only thing was, this dealer was out of jail with a story to tell, much like this lawyer.
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Andrew Fraser article.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/24/1174597954387.html
Selected quotes:
One night before my spectacular fall from grace I was at a Melbourne hotel favoured by AFL footballers and during the evening I was invited upstairs for a line of cocaine. I stepped into the room to find three star footballers with something in common: they were all premiership players ... and they were all snorting the white powder.
I was not shocked at footballers consuming coke but I was surprised that these high-profile players were having such a red hot go. Especially a Brownlow medallist.
Andrew Fraser was a criminal lawyer before a cocaine habit led him to conspire with a former client to smuggle the drug from Africa in 1999. He was sentenced to a minimum five years' jail in 2001 after pleading guilty to trafficking, possession and importation.
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So let's analyse this:
This happened "one night" before his fall from grace. Could mean the night before or more likely any night before.
"Fall from grace" could either mean the day he was busted or the day he was sentenced. Either way, the latest this could have happened is (Dec) 2001.
All 3 players were premiership players at the time. So that reasonably means Brisbane (2001), Essendon (2000), Kangaroos (1999, 1996), Crows (1997, 1998), Carlton (1995).
The article does suggest that the player was a Brownlow medalist at the time, although not clear. It's possible that the player won the Brownlow after this encounter. So which players have a premiership medallion before 2001 and a Brownlow?:
Narrows the field a bit doesn't it.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/24/1174597954387.html
Selected quotes:
One night before my spectacular fall from grace I was at a Melbourne hotel favoured by AFL footballers and during the evening I was invited upstairs for a line of cocaine. I stepped into the room to find three star footballers with something in common: they were all premiership players ... and they were all snorting the white powder.
I was not shocked at footballers consuming coke but I was surprised that these high-profile players were having such a red hot go. Especially a Brownlow medallist.
Andrew Fraser was a criminal lawyer before a cocaine habit led him to conspire with a former client to smuggle the drug from Africa in 1999. He was sentenced to a minimum five years' jail in 2001 after pleading guilty to trafficking, possession and importation.
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So let's analyse this:
This happened "one night" before his fall from grace. Could mean the night before or more likely any night before.
"Fall from grace" could either mean the day he was busted or the day he was sentenced. Either way, the latest this could have happened is (Dec) 2001.
All 3 players were premiership players at the time. So that reasonably means Brisbane (2001), Essendon (2000), Kangaroos (1999, 1996), Crows (1997, 1998), Carlton (1995).
The article does suggest that the player was a Brownlow medalist at the time, although not clear. It's possible that the player won the Brownlow after this encounter. So which players have a premiership medallion before 2001 and a Brownlow?:
Narrows the field a bit doesn't it.
*Mystique*
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Re: Andrew Fraser article.
Very interesting indeed Bunsen. I have heard heaps of 'rumours' about Brisbane & Adelaide players before
Very interesting indeed Bunsen. I have heard heaps of 'rumours' about Brisbane & Adelaide players before
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Re: Andrew Fraser article.
Seems to have a Western Australian clientel.
Also in the unit was another man - Andrew Fraser, a high-flying lawyer who came crashing to earth due to an addiction to cocaine.
Smart, tough and energetic, his client list ranged from disgraced billionaire Alan Bond, footballer Jimmy Krakouer and killer Dennis Allan. But by the late 1990s he was spending $1000 a day on cocaine and his once-flourishing city legal practice was shrinking.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/prime-suspect/2006/09/11/1157826879940.html
Seems to have a Western Australian clientel.
Also in the unit was another man - Andrew Fraser, a high-flying lawyer who came crashing to earth due to an addiction to cocaine.
Smart, tough and energetic, his client list ranged from disgraced billionaire Alan Bond, footballer Jimmy Krakouer and killer Dennis Allan. But by the late 1990s he was spending $1000 a day on cocaine and his once-flourishing city legal practice was shrinking.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/prime-suspect/2006/09/11/1157826879940.html
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Re: Andrew Fraser article.
Fraser is a Melb lawyer so I'd tend to lean towards a Melb based footballer. But have heard rumours about an Adelaide based footballer who the Age wanted to "out" today as one of the 24 +ve drug tests.
Fraser is a Melb lawyer so I'd tend to lean towards a Melb based footballer. But have heard rumours about an Adelaide based footballer who the Age wanted to "out" today as one of the 24 +ve drug tests.
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Re: Andrew Fraser article.
Mad Dog:
What are you on mate? I'm not naming names at all. If you read the article there's only a handful of names that he can possibly be talking about. I don't see the problem naming them?
Mad Dog:
What are you on mate? I'm not naming names at all. If you read the article there's only a handful of names that he can possibly be talking about. I don't see the problem naming them?
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Re: Andrew Fraser article.
I never said which one of them he's talking about (because I don't know), just named the only people he could possiby be talking about.
I guess we'll just let everyone do their own calculations.
That's what I did.
I never said which one of them he's talking about (because I don't know), just named the only people he could possiby be talking about.
I guess we'll just let everyone do their own calculations.
Re: Andrew Fraser article.
If an individual players name is going to be suppressed to preserve his reputations shouldn’t the same privilege be given to the clubs as well?
To prevent any potential defamation law suit for Big Footy players not caught involved in this drugs scandal cannot be guilty via association and the naming of individual clubs is tarring all 42 players on the list.
Club names should be suppressed just as individuals until some evidence is available.
If an individual players name is going to be suppressed to preserve his reputations shouldn’t the same privilege be given to the clubs as well?
To prevent any potential defamation law suit for Big Footy players not caught involved in this drugs scandal cannot be guilty via association and the naming of individual clubs is tarring all 42 players on the list.
Club names should be suppressed just as individuals until some evidence is available.
Interesting...
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Which players won the brownlow say from about 97 through to 2001 inclusive? Anyone know. My youngster was just asking me out of curiosity.
I thought this article was going to provide earthshattering news that is going to rock the whole football world and is massively going to implicate another club with a massive drug problem.
It definitely is none of that.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308161
It definitely is none of that.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308161
bobby_diggy
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Well, at least it isn't a Collingwood player.
Re: Andrew Fraser article.
I have nothing to worry about from a dogs perspective unless some of the 54 premiership players are using their pension on lines of coke
Except the dude who wrote the story went to jail in 2001, before the Lions won their championship I think. So it's from 2000 and before at least.
RussellEbertHandball
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Re: Andrew Fraser article.
But was the player a Brownlow medallists before or after that evening with Fraser? Fraser may have deliberately written that sentance in a way so that nearly everyone thinks he was a Brownlow medallist at the time.
But was the player a Brownlow medallists before or after that evening with Fraser? Fraser may have deliberately written that sentance in a way so that nearly everyone thinks he was a Brownlow medallist at the time.
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