The Association Football AFL Thread 3.0

[UnitedWarrior93]

I can't be the only one that has watched the last 3 minutes of Saturday's prelim 10+ times?

Yes yes, Geelong lost and it made your year we get it.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Umpires: S, Wonder. R, Charles, A, Bocelli.

Hasn't polled in just 5 games so far. Same with Daicos.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Yes yes, Geelong lost and it made your year we get it.

PFs or better under Scott: 8
Finals qualifications at Fremantle: 8

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Cripps is a deserving winner, but 45 votes is insanity. Even N. Daicos polling more than any previous winner shows how inflated the votes have become.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Cripps is a deserving winner, but 45 votes is insanity. Even N. Daicos polling more than any previous winner shows how inflated the votes have become.

Well there is 1 more game than there used to be so that helps.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

lol 45 votes, he’s a great player but come on.

 

[Magma]

cripps scored more than the rest of carlton players put together. same as daicos. the numbers are just ridiculous.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Cripps is a deserving winner, but 45 votes is insanity. Even N. Daicos polling more than any previous winner shows how inflated the votes have become.

Ablett 2010:




Franklin 2008:



Neither won the count in their year. One went at 90s levels 4.5 goals a game. The other 31 and 2 goals a game.

And the umpires are telling us this season from Cripps isn't just better than both but miles better. **** off now.

 

[largebus]

Remember when Ben Cousins won with 20 votes?

Deserved to win if you look at the coaches award votes but it's obvious the votes are concentrated in a lot fewer players now due to name recognition.

Daicos and Cripps in both awards had no teammates that could take votes off them. Heeney (even if he was eligible) had Gulden and Warner, Serong had Brayshaw, Butters had JHF polling 20+. No one else at Carlton or Collingwood got close.

 

[Magma]

i think sam berry getting 3 votes vs the dogs for 14 touches should be reason enough to take the voting off the umps.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

1993 Wanganeen played in defence and won with 18 votes. In a count where key forwards and rucks also polled well.
Tonight the AFLPA Champion player Bontempelli polled enough to win that year, yet was 26 votes behind the winner.

Marcus Bontempelli

4

Marcus Bontempelli

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

10.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

18.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.8

4star

26 votes a lesser player than the winner.

 

[largebus]

 

[Magma]

hell cripps outperformed afl.com's own predictor by 12 votes.

 

[Loonerty]

I think there's an interesting trend which has developed. In the last decade we've had three players win multiple Brownlows, and the votes have become even more concentrated at the top end (leading to inflated winning votes) despite only one extra game being added per team per season (or there abouts).

And of course there's a bigger push to the midfieldification of the medal - Hogan got 15 votes winning the Coleman in a top 4 side. He's nowhere near the top but maybe 15 votes is about the standard for a Coleman winner and it just means less now because it takes much more to win.

So do we have a problem where the profile of the midfield players is so high that the umpires are subconsciously voting for them and feeding into a feedback loop where we go "well such and such got this many brownlow votes therefore he good at football" and then he gets more votes the next year and so on.

It's an interesting dilemma.

 

[Bradesmaen]

i think sam berry getting 3 votes vs the dogs for 14 touches should be reason enough to take the voting off the umps.

Harrison Petty got 3 for 1 goal and 14.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I think they should just give a vote each to the best defender, best mid and best forward for the day. Most importantly also take it out of the umps hands. Too hard a job as it is let alone having to remember best players

 

[99 Problems]

Cripps is a super player and no issue with him winning it, but the overall count was a joke. The concentration of votes at the top end is unreal. Wouldn’t be surprised if part of the blowback means Cripps polls much worse no matter how he plays next year.

Given it’s a midfielders medal does Bont spend 95% of the game abusing the umps. Not sure how else to explain how he ends up so far behind the others.

 

[SM]

Cripps is a super player and no issue with him winning it, but the overall count was a joke. The concentration of votes at the top end is unreal. Wouldn’t be surprised if part of the blowback means Cripps polls much worse no matter how he plays next year.

Given it’s a midfielders medal does Bont spend 95% of the game abusing the umps. Not sure how else to explain how he ends up so far behind the others.

Bont had some exceptional games but was average in a lot. Those exceptional games still only get 3 votes.

 

[gaskin]

So do we have a problem where the profile of the midfield players is so high that the umpires are subconsciously voting for them and feeding into a feedback loop where we go "well such and such got this many brownlow votes therefore he good at football" and then he gets more votes the next year and so on.

I reckon part of the issue is having the umps vote without seeing any footage of the game or looking at stats. Obviously stats don't tell the whole story but if you think a bloke is worth 2 votes but he only had 19 touches at 14% efficiency then you need to be informed that your opinion is just plain wrong.

Personally I think they should do an initial 3-2-1 then be made to sit there and watch a replay of the game before doing a second 3-2-1 and seeing if it matches up.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I reckon part of the issue is having the umps vote without seeing any footage of the game or looking at stats. Obviously stats don't tell the whole story but if you think a bloke is worth 2 votes but he only had 19 touches at 14% efficiency then you need to be informed that your opinion is just plain wrong.

Personally I think they should do an initial 3-2-1 then be made to sit there and watch a replay of the game before doing a second 3-2-1 and seeing if it matches up.

Umpires when they watch it back and complain about the umpiring:

 

[RPCB]

The award has always been rubbish, I don't even bother watching it most years.

Yep, I haven’t watched it in years, including in the two years Patrick Cripps was favourite to win it. It seems that last night was a result of one group of umpires not wanting Nick Daicos to win it and another group of umpires not wanting Patrick Cripps to win it. As a result we got one player polling 45 votes and the player polling 38 votes. Cripps and Daicos both had good enough campaigns to finish in the top 2 without the need to get them to 45 and 38 votes.

 

[RPCB]

They can talk? Surely occupied tending to Patrick...

The umpires do love their Patrick’s. You should know.

Tigers fans still whinge about that nothing incident with Vlastuin in the GF.

Yep. I am sure Richmond supporters are whinging about anything that happened in the 2020 GF.

 

[Jatz]

Mirror everyone else's thoughts.

Happy for Patrick.

45 votes is an absolute joke. He smashed the record by 3 BOG games. That's absurd.

 

[DBAH0]

Would imagine Port's first rounder for him.

 

[Jatz]

Also, for as crazy as Patty's vote tally was, Nick polled in 2 more games than him.

He polled in 18 out of 23 games played.