The Association Football AFL Thread 4.0

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From Mitch Cleary

Breaking - Sanctions for GWS players:

Josh Fahey - Four matches

Jake Riccardi, Joe Fonti, Toby McMullin, Harvey Thomas, Cooper Hamilton - All two matches

Lachie Whitfield

6

Lachie Whitfield

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.3

5star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

411.8

5star

D

21.4

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

3star

MG

350.6

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

, Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

, Connor Idun

39

Connor Idun

Age

24

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

74.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

74.0

1star

, Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

, Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

, Lachie Keeffe - All $5k

New Magpie Harry Perryman

36

Harry Perryman

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

- $5k

Interesting that best 22 players only got fines.

 

[RPCB]

From Mitch Cleary

Breaking - Sanctions for GWS players:

Josh Fahey - Four matches

Jake Riccardi, Joe Fonti, Toby McMullin, Harvey Thomas, Cooper Hamilton - All two matches

Lachie Whitfield, Toby Greene, Connor Idun, Tom Green, Sam Taylor, Lachie Keeffe - All $5k

New Magpie Harry Perryman - $5k

Interesting that best 22 players only got fines.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Interesting that best 22 players only got fines.

Jake Riccardi? Harvey Thomas? Both played more than a majority of games..

The fines werent for involvement, was for lack of leadership

 

[Art Vandelay_]

What's your actual point though.

Teams win and lose Premierships, yes many different rules and ways to win over the 100+ years of the sport.

Even in all those changes and rules, some clubs are traditionally successful and others arent. That's all I was telling the Freo fans but they get upset about it.

I would too if someone who follows the game on a superficial level was revelling in the contrasting successes of both Perth clubs.

Success is a fine margins thing. St.Kilda were a poster in '09 and the bounce of the ball in '10 from being B2B premiers and one of the more successful teams in the AFL era.

Collingwood probably win a couple more flags without the 10 year rule, and if Harmes/Sheldon is correctly called OOB. But have less if there was no GF challenge during their 4-peat.

Your first two flags were gifted by the generous concessions on entry. Only won in '06 narrowly. Sheed could have shanked that shot and you're sitting here flagless.

In essence you have little idea about this game, so to lecture others on success is a little hard to take

 

[RPCB]

I would too if someone who follows the game on a superficial level was revelling in the contrasting successes of both Perth clubs.

Success is a fine margins thing. St.Kilda were a poster in '09 and the bounce of the ball in '10 from being B2B premiers and one of the more successful teams in the AFL era.

Collingwood probably win a couple more flags without the 10 year rule, and if Harmes/Sheldon is correctly called OOB. But have less if there was no GF challenge during their 4-peat.

Your first two flags were gifted by the generous concessions on entry. Only won in '06 narrowly. Sheed could have shanked that shot and you're sitting here flagless.

In essence you have little idea about this game, so to lecture others on success is a little hard to take

Yeah, but it’s funny.

 

[Jatz]

Everyone knows that Harmes ball was in...

 

[Jatz]

On a slightly crazy note, the umpire that called that ball in actually died this morning...

Umpire at centre of controversial football moment passes away

A goal umpire who was at the centre of one of football’s most controversial moments passed away last week. Bob Barker, who made the call that Wayne Harmes kept the ball in play on the boundary line during the 1979 VFL Grand Final, died on October 7 aged 93. 3AW Breakfast was alerted to the […]

www.3aw.com.au

 

[Jatz]

Also really good article here on it. Was actually in. I like to pretend it was in the 25th row though.

I told you so - Barker says video vindicates him on Harmes call

With new footage released of the controversial call in the 1979 grand final, umpire Bob Barker maintains his decision.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[RPCB]

Everyone knows that Harmes ball was in...

I want it to be out. Just makes it all the more hilarious.

 

[Jatz]

As for more recent news.

Where's the AFLPA on this GWS scandal? Haven't heard boo from you know who.

The suspensions seem way over the top. No doubting the ideas were severely lacking in class/taste but missing 4 games for that seems excessive to me.

Also curious as to how you give Cooper Hamilton a 2 game suspension when he's not currently a listed player.

 

[SM]

As for more recent news.

Where's the AFLPA on this GWS scandal? Haven't heard boo from you know who.

The suspensions seem way over the top. No doubting the ideas were severely lacking in class/taste but missing 4 games for that seems excessive to me.

Also curious as to how you give Cooper Hamilton a 2 game suspension when he's not currently a listed player.

I guess because there's a chance he gets re-listed and they can't punish him later.

I tend to agree that I think it should be GWS facing sanctions/punishments from the AFL for either OK-ing the theme or not knowing about it, and it should be for GWS to then punish the players as they see fit.

Similar with the Tom Morris stuff from a while back, I find it a bit weird that the world's in a place now where things said privately or in a context that you don't think will be made public can now be something you get punished for, but I do accept the other perspective that people should always be accountable for what they say/do, so I guess I see both sides, but lean in your camp that these punishments seem excessive for what was a private function where no illegal activity occurred. While it's distasteful making a joke about violence against women by simulating rape on a sex doll, for example, I think the reaction to it is over the top.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Cooper Hamilton is AFL listed until Oct 31

 

[Jatz]

I guess because there's a chance he gets re-listed and they can't punish him later.

I tend to agree that I think it should be GWS facing sanctions/punishments from the AFL for either OK-ing the theme or not knowing about it, and it should be for GWS to then punish the players as they see fit.

Similar with the Tom Morris stuff from a while back, I find it a bit weird that the world's in a place now where things said privately or in a context that you don't think will be made public can now be something you get punished for, but I do accept the other perspective that people should always be accountable for what they say/do, so I guess I see both sides, but lean in your camp that these punishments seem excessive for what was a private function where no illegal activity occurred. While it's distasteful making a joke about violence against women by simulating rape on a sex doll, for example, I think the reaction to it is over the top.

Yeah probably right. Wonder if this makes it less likely for him to be picked up now.

I touched on it last year but I think it's long past time that clubs hold these events on club property. While it was a private function, it was still a public workplace for those that were working on the day.

Not sure who came up with the theme but they were asking for trouble with it.

 

[Jatz]

Cooper Hamilton is AFL listed until Oct 31

Going to miss a few games in that time...

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Going to miss a few games in that time...

But that's why he is sanctioned though. He did something while on an AFL list

 

[SM]

Yeah probably right. Wonder if this makes it less likely for him to be picked up now.

I touched on it last year but I think it's long past time that clubs hold these events on club property. While it was a private function, it was still a public workplace for those that were working on the day.

Not sure who came up with the theme but they were asking for trouble with it.

Yeah dunno how the club's brass escape punishment when surely they had to OK the theme.

 

[Jatz]

But that's why he is sanctioned though. He did something while on an AFL list

I don't disagree with him being punished, it should clearly be financial though given his circumstances.

Out of interest, would he need to serve the suspension if he signed up to a VFL team? Or in a local comp?

 

[Jatz]

Yeah dunno how the club's brass escape punishment when surely they had to OK the theme.

Think they're claiming they knew nothing about it. Even a couple of the senior players weren't there.

I'm torn on that as well. Seems stupid not to have HR/upper management ok the plan for what they know will be a big day.

On the other hand, you shouldn't have to babysit a group of men for an afternoon of drinking.

Think this kind of thing will always happen though. We had it with the booze cruise, the Saints setting the guy on fire etc etc. Footballers just don't seem to be the brightest bunch.

 

[Jatz]

FWIW, I think it's a hilarious idea for a theme. There are just some topics that should clearly be off limits.

 

[SM]

Think they're claiming they knew nothing about it. Even a couple of the senior players weren't there.

I'm torn on that as well. Seems stupid not to have HR/upper management ok the plan for what they know will be a big day.

On the other hand, you shouldn't have to babysit a group of men for an afternoon of drinking.

Think this kind of thing will always happen though. We had it with the booze cruise, the Saints setting the guy on fire etc etc. Footballers just don't seem to be the brightest bunch.

Personally as long as nothing illegal is being done and the intention isn't for things to be made public then I don't really have an issue with what they get up to. It's like the guy filming Ginnivan or whoever it was in the bathroom stall, dunno how that's ok.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Personally as long as nothing illegal is being done and the intention isn't for things to be made public then I don't really have an issue with what they get up to. It's like the guy filming Ginnivan or whoever it was in the bathroom stall, dunno how that's ok.

Think it was Ginnivan filming McStay and his missus

 

[Magma]

i mean in this day and age what do you expect? if you're gonna have a 'private' event, it has to be done privately. as soon as you take a phone out or go to a place that isnt the club or someone's house, it's not really private anymore. plus it's not like its a couple of jokes or remarks, obviously a lot of planning and effort went into this. no idea why anyone thought going to the lengths it sounds like they went to was a good idea.

 

[Loonerty]

Essendon are losers through inactivity, missed finals, have no R1 pick and sat on their hands and did nothing. Not confident their list has enough organic growth to take the next step without offseason trading. Who replaced Stringer's goals..

what?
We have no R1 pick because it was going to be eaten by a Kako bid, so we've put ourselves in a position to either take two first rounders next year and get a top end prospect this year, or trade back into the first round after that bid comes.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

what?
We have no R1 pick because it was going to be eaten by a Kako bid, so we've put ourselves in a position to either take two first rounders next year and get a top end prospect this year, or trade back into the first round after that bid comes.

I think you're quietly doing a mini reset and that's fine but you've have lost 42 goals also off the list, and imo won't be better in 2025 than 2024. Rosa's language is even conditioning bombers fan for this eventuality and softening them fanbase up for a middling 2025.

It's a loss on the basis that Essendon have been building a list for a while now, haven't played much finals lately and clubs around them have all improved their lists. Most finalists have improved their lists as well. So can't see 2025 being better than 2024.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Just on the GWS issue, it’s not totally private as there was bar staff present. Club was supposedly alerted by anonymous source and club’s investigation found nothing illegal but they didn’t take it any further. So AFL came in over the top. NSW gaming authority now also investigating

Even though it was not illegal it was very poor from the players. They undergo training for what’s right and acceptable yet feel it’s ok to make fun of rape, sexual assault and mass murder?

Cats have a dress up every year and they don’t seem to resort to same level of stupidity. No wonder GWS women’s team weren’t too impressed.