Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Lyn]

We're told that Jane had a 'boyfriend' at the beach just prior to that fateful day, anyone who's met someone at the beach would know the topic of when you'll be back again would come up which is the perfect cover for a 'ring' or accomplice to have prior knowledge of an opportunity.

Honestly, what are the odds of a child going to the beach unsupervised?
Now shorten that to a child plus 2 siblings unsupervised.
Now shorten that to an unsupervised child that has a recently aquired 'boyfriend'.
And finally, an unsupervised child, with her siblings, who recently aquired a 'boyfriend' at the beach, whom on a subsequent visit to said beach goes on to be part of the most infamous multiple child/siblings disappearance in not only South Australian, not only Australian, but quite likely the entire world.

I dont think Jane hooked up with an adult Carni operator somehow..

The 'grooming' was highly likely to be by way of the 'Boyfriend', who provided the opportunity via an arranged meet, to an adult accomplice who probably played the rols of 'Dad' much like the Carly Ryan murder 4 decades later and a mere 75km away.

I understand what you are saying, but if you believe what you hear, the Beaumont Children knew the man. They weren't lured by a younger boy and the man turned up, as in the Carly Ryan case. They knew who they were looking for and where to find him.
I believe, if there was a younger person with him on previous occasions, you would think that person would have come forward, sometime in the past 50+ years. There has been too much publicity for him not to know he was connected.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I understand what you are saying, but if you believe what you hear, the Beaumont Children knew the man. They weren't lured by a younger boy and the man turned up, as in the Carly Ryan case. They knew who they were looking for and where to find him.
I believe, if there was a younger person with him on previous occasions, you would think that person would have come forward, sometime in the past 50+ years. There has been too much publicity for him not to know he was connected.

Unless they were in it together.
Teen grooms them, gains trust and introduces them to 'Dad'.
Next time 'Dad' shows up, hey kids the boy cant make it today as he's home sick but grab some lunch, I'll give you a lift home and we'll call past and see him on the way.
That bloke who murdered Carly rocked up at her birthday party instead of his 'Son'.

You need to remember, Summer holidays were drawing to a close so time with her new 'boyfriend' was running out, young love will make you do things out of the ordinary.

John and Olivia sang it..
Summer lovin' had me a blast.
Summer lovin' happened so fast.
Met a girl, crazy for me.
Met a boy, cute as can be.

Minus the Summer nights obviously, but you know what I mean.

 

[Poppy Penny]

You need to remember, Summer holidays were drawing to a close so time with her new 'boyfriend' was running out, young love will make you do things out of the ordinary.

Jane was only 9 when she disappeared, so I think ‘boyfriend’ might be a stretch.
As for grooming, a teacher is still a possibility. IMO

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Jane was only 9 when she disappeared, so I think ‘boyfriend’ might be a stretch.
As for grooming, a teacher is still a possibility. IMO

She won't have had adult feelings of course. Attraction exists even in children and with young girls often with older teens or young adult males because young girls mature faster. A crush.

There was only one identakit man. Was that who Jane had a crush on? We don't know because it was never elaborated
upon. No other teen came into the picture so who it was is a question mark.

I remain interested in his failure to go into Wenzels. Let's look at it. He had zero concern being seen with kids in public yet he avoided going onto Wenzels..Was that because maternal instincts may kick in with staff? Perhaps. But they did say..." and a pie for the man" without further questioning. It was also extremely busy that day so staff were focused on serving. Something spooked him that didn't in general public..was it that they would have known he wasn't family? Again perhaps. But he could have been extended family...

Was it concern at the size of the order? That suspicion may arise that his plan was to take the kids by car to home? Also perhaps.

But it is possible he was concerned at being seen by someone who knew he was worker there in some capacity. That would certainly make him avoid that situation.

It's different behaviour and because it is it's a clue

 

[Lyn]

She won't have had adult feelings of course. Attraction exists even in children and with young girls often with older teens or young adult males because young girls mature faster. A crush.

There was only one identakit man. Was that who Jane had a crush on? We don't know because it was never elaborated
upon. No other teen came into the picture so who it was is a question mark.

I remain interested in his failure to go into Wenzels. Let's look at it. He had zero concern being seen with kids in public yet he avoided going onto Wenzels..Was that because maternal instincts may kick in with staff? Perhaps. But they did say..." and a pie for the man" without further questioning. It was also extremely busy that day so staff were focused on serving. Something spooked him that didn't in general public..was it that they would have known he wasn't family? Again perhaps. But he could have been extended family...

Was it concern at the size of the order? That suspicion may arise that his plan was to take the kids by car to home? Also perhaps.

But it is possible he was concerned at being seen by someone who knew he was worker there in some capacity. That would certainly make him avoid that situation.

It's different behaviour and because it is it's a clue

Yes, let's discuss this.

He flaunted himself to the public, but not at Wenzels.

He had to be a regular to the beach, or a person they already knew.
They were comfortable with him, jumped on him, let him dress them, waited for him outside the toilets - if you believe information put to us.

It could be, that the BC told him, their Mum had given them lunch money. They had to buy lunch. The BC were definately known by Wenzels staff.
He may also have been known to the staff, or wanted to avoid bringing attention to himself. He didn't want the connection being made. There has to be a connection to Wenzels, either a regular local, or someone who worked nearby. He may have been friends with a Wenzels worker

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Yes, let's discuss this.

He flaunted himself to the public, but not at Wenzels.

He had to be a regular to the beach, or a person they already knew.
They were comfortable with him, jumped on him, let him dress them, waited for him outside the toilets - if you believe information put to us.

It could be, that the BC told him, their Mum had given them lunch money. They had to buy lunch. The BC were definately known by Wenzels staff.
He may also have been known to the staff, or wanted to avoid bringing attention to himself. He didn't want the connection being made. There has to be a connection to Wenzels, either a regular local, or someone who worked nearby. He may have been friends with a Wenzels worker

He was grooming them, I suspect at least 2-3 times together perhaps more. Pedophiles most always take jobs that allow them to engage with children..Eg scouts, teachers etc. but this is random occasions on a beach. How can he possibly when they'd come and catch up on busy holiday? Probably because they'd come to him eg carnival ride employee or like.

I think he knew their pattern..Go home to lunch via bus. To know that as pattern he must have done it at least 3 times. Likely. So he stole bus money imo to then offer lunches for whole family and for them to accept his lift.

Then he could divert to his home to collect something but he would need help. 3 kids is impossible to control on your own. Did he drug them?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Jane was only 9 when she disappeared, so I think ‘boyfriend’ might be a stretch.
As for grooming, a teacher is still a possibility. IMO

It was reported that Jane had a 'boyfriend' she met at the beach on a previous occasion and as ARB said, more than likely a simple 'crush' on an older boy.
Either way, thats how it had been portrayed by her siblings to Mum.

The point is, having met someone at the beach, chances are the topic of 'when will you be here next' would have come up and would provide an opportunity.

My Nephew and I(same age) used to frequent Glenelg beach during Summer holidays in the late 80's/early 90's as kids all the way from the most northern fringes of metropolitan Adelaide and met lots of others either in transit on the train, in the city, on the tram or at Glenelg and would often arrange subsequent get togethers at Glenelg.

Its quite common in those days before mobiles and social media where once holidays ended you may never see them again.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

He was grooming them, I suspect at least 2-3 times together perhaps more. Pedophiles most always take jobs that allow them to engage with children..Eg scouts, teachers etc. but this is random occasions on a beach. How can he possibly when they'd come and catch up on busy holiday? Probably because they'd come to him eg carnival ride employee or like.

I think he knew their pattern..Go home to lunch via bus. To know that as pattern he must have done it at least 3 times. Likely. So he stole bus money imo to then offer lunches for whole family and for them to accept his lift.

Then he could divert to his home to collect something but he would need help. 3 kids is impossible to control on your own. Did he drug them?

You wouldnt need to control them if they were happy to accept a ride and detour via his residence to see someone they knew from previous trips to the beach.

It could be that, being of that mindset, going to the beach is a perfect opportunity to watch children to fulfill a fantasy and was a regular at Wenzels for lunch which is why when faced with that opportunity he was happy to be seen with them by strangers, but distanced himself from staff who could identify him.

I agree regarding Scouts...any scout leaders in amongst the numerous POI over the years?
Any that frequented the area with a sunbleached teen that could attract a mature, albeit 9yo, girl?

 

[Lyn]

Unless they were in it together.
Teen grooms them, gains trust and introduces them to 'Dad'.
Next time 'Dad' shows up, hey kids the boy cant make it today as he's home sick but grab some lunch, I'll give you a lift home and we'll call past and see him on the way.
That bloke who murdered Carly rocked up at her birthday party instead of his 'Son'.

You need to remember, Summer holidays were drawing to a close so time with her new 'boyfriend' was running out, young love will make you do things out of the ordinary.

John and Olivia sang it..
Summer lovin' had me a blast.
Summer lovin' happened so fast.
Met a girl, crazy for me.
Met a boy, cute as can be.

Minus the Summer nights obviously, but you know what I mean.

Of course, anything is possible.
Jane was only 9 yo. At that age, children are looking for others to have fun with, not actual love interests. More impressionable.
I must add, my childhood was far left field of normal.

 

[johnymac1]

Jane was only 9 when she disappeared, so I think ‘boyfriend’ might be a stretch.
As for grooming, a teacher is still a possibility. IMO

I believe it was a teacher, I don't think a mainstream teacher! Iam thinking PE or student teacher or even a TRT.
Obviously he wasn't there when police went to speak to the students or teachers Jan 66.

On the ED dept. They have a long history of hushing things up, moving on any dodgy teachers to another posting.
They tend to only act when the incident makes the media.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I believe it was a teacher, I don't think a mainstream teacher! Iam thinking PE or student teacher or even a TRT.
Obviously he wasn't there when police went to speak to the students or teachers Jan 66.

On the ED dept. They have a long history of hushing things up, moving on any dodgy teachers to another posting.
They tend to only act when the incident makes the media.

A teacher already has trust of kids so very possible. I'm thinking though that teachers were probably looked at for possible perps. That makes me think something itinerant and seasonal like the carnival ride employee paid cash for a short term stay no employee record perhaps. That also makes it easier to accommodate perps with criminal past like Errol Radan who need cash type jobs easy work

 

[Poppy Penny]

Were there seperate PE and student teachers back in 1966? At my school there wasn’t. A mainstream teacher makes sense to me.

As for Scouts, kids were too young, plus Brownies and Cubs and Scouts were run very separately back then, based on gender. It was the 90’s when things started to change.

Re grooming, Jane would be only one that would ‘need’ grooming as such. Arna and Grant would trust and follow her lead.

How many times did BC spend at beach -on their own unsupervised or with a parent? A teacher would have greater access for grooming purposes than perhaps random and unpredictable visits to beach.

All MOO

 

[jason_recliner]

Unlikely to be a teacher or any authority figure IMO as the name may have slipped out after previous visits to the beach when he was there - Mum, Mr so-and-so was at Glenelg and we're going back next week. Boyfriend comment is possibly the key. Likely to be older teen or even young looking man in his 20s. Unknown to parents so doesn't have to worry about being ID'd. Probably not local so even less likely to be ID'd.

Not going in to bakery, if true, could be lots of things. Bakery was too crowded, having a smoke, taking a leak, didn't want to wait in line, knew staff member, knew a customer, getting his car to pick them up... Could it even be a false sighting in there?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Unlikely to be a teacher or any authority figure IMO as the name may have slipped out after previous visits to the beach when he was there - Mum, Mr so-and-so was at Glenelg and we're going back next week. Boyfriend comment is possibly the key. Likely to be older teen or even young looking man in his 20s. Unknown to parents so doesn't have to worry about being ID'd. Probably not local so even less likely to be ID'd.

Not going in to bakery, if true, could be lots of things. Bakery was too crowded, having a smoke, taking a leak, didn't want to wait in line, knew staff member, knew a customer, getting his car to pick them up... Could it even be a false sighting in there?

Yes the grooming happened when the kids went there. So he was there constantly to coincide with their random visits. Worked there somewhere and dealt with kids too to offer that initial meet

 

[Lyn]

Were there seperate PE and student teachers back in 1966? At my school there wasn’t. A mainstream teacher makes sense to me.

As for Scouts, kids were too young, plus Brownies and Cubs and Scouts were run very separately back then, based on gender. It was the 90’s when things started to change.

Re grooming, Jane would be only one that would ‘need’ grooming as such. Arna and Grant would trust and follow her lead.

How many times did BC spend at beach -on their own unsupervised or with a parent? A teacher would have greater access for grooming purposes than perhaps random and unpredictable visits to beach.

All MOO

I think we had specific teachers for PE, but they were also classroom teachers.
A teacher doesn't really fit with the 'boyfriend' comment. One of the children would have blabbed, that they had met a teacher at the beach.
If evidence is correct, they were flicking him with a towel and jumping on him. Back in the 60s, students had a respect relationship.
The BC went to the beach by themselves a few times. Their father worked away and their Mother didn't like the beach. I read that.

 

[Lyn]

Unlikely to be a teacher or any authority figure IMO as the name may have slipped out after previous visits to the beach when he was there - Mum, Mr so-and-so was at Glenelg and we're going back next week. Boyfriend comment is possibly the key. Likely to be older teen or even young looking man in his 20s. Unknown to parents so doesn't have to worry about being ID'd. Probably not local so even less likely to be ID'd.

Not going in to bakery, if true, could be lots of things. Bakery was too crowded, having a smoke, taking a leak, didn't want to wait in line, knew staff member, knew a customer, getting his car to pick them up... Could it even be a false sighting in there?

Agree, one of the BC would have talked about him to their parents.
I haven't read anywhere about the boyfriend comment. Where did that come from?
Bakery. The BC were well known to the staff at Wenzels, so I doubt it was a false sighting. Your other ideas are feasible.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Agree, one of the BC would have talked about him to their parents.
I haven't read anywhere about the boyfriend comment. Where did that come from?
Bakery. The BC were well known to the staff at Wenzels, so I doubt it was a false sighting. Your other ideas are feasible.

You haven't read about Arna telling Nancy that Jane had met a 'boyfriend' at the beach during that Summer?
Its features in pretty much every online discussion ever had, in this thread and on the Wiki page.
Google Jane Beaumont boyfriend.

AM was a youthful looking sun bleached 24yo regular to Glenelg beach at that time and went on to be a....Scout leader.

 

[Lyn]

You haven't read about Arna telling Nancy that Jane had met a 'boyfriend' at the beach during that Summer?
Its features in pretty much every online discussion ever had, in this thread and on the Wiki page.
Google Jane Beaumont boyfriend.

AM was a youthful looking sun bleached 24yo regular to Glenelg beach at that time and went on to be a....Scout leader.

I have heard about the boyfriend comment, but have never read it, or heard it from a reputable source.
I will look it up though

Wiki is not always a factual site to gain information. That's why Universities, don't allow referencing from this site. Not to say it isn't true.

The sun bleached hair, has also been reputed.

Being a Scout Leader, doesn't automatically mean they abduct children.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Being a Scout Leader, doesn't automatically mean they abduct children.

I think the inference is its not unusual for someone like that to navigate to the Scout movement?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I have heard about the boyfriend comment, but have never read it, or heard it from a reputable source.
I will look it up though

Wiki is not always a factual site to gain information. That's why Universities, don't allow referencing from this site. Not to say it isn't true.

The sun bleached hair, has also been reputed.

Being a Scout Leader, doesn't automatically mean they abduct children.

AM was allegedly assaulting children since '62, some 4 years prior to the Beaumont abduction, and has been convicted of crimes of that nature so whilst not every Scout associate is a peadophile, this guy has form.

Does that make him a lock for this crime, no, but he's got form, frequented the area at the time and associated with others, any of which could be the accomplice I put in my hypothetical.
Then you have the stories told by the Mcintyres that are so far out there they are either fabricated or so real that the average punter would struggle to comprehend the depravity.

I sit on the fence there, they tick quite a few boxes but also hard to believe all thats been suggested.

 

[Lyn]

AM was allegedly assaulting children since '62, some 4 years prior to the Beaumont abduction, and has been convicted of crimes of that nature so whilst not every Scout associate is a peadophile, this guy has form.

Does that make him a lock for this crime, no, but he's got form, frequented the area at the time and associated with others, any of which could be the accomplice I put in my hypothetical.
Then you have the stories told by the Mcintyres that are so far out there they are either fabricated or so real that the average punter would struggle to comprehend the depravity.

I sit on the fence there, they tick quite a few boxes but also hard to believe all thats been suggested.

Sorry, who is AM. If he has been convicted you can name him. What jail time did he get? All of these names should be investigated.
Yes, the McIntyres. I'm with you on that one.
But terrible crimes do happen in Adelaide. A lot, people would not believe, other than the fact police have found the culprits.
The family murders - what some of those lads had done to them was unimaginable, bodies in the barrels - straight out of book, the Truro murders, there are lots of bizarre serial murders.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Sorry, who is AM. If he has been convicted you can name him. What jail time did he get? All of these names should be investigated.
Yes, the McIntyres. I'm with you on that one.
But terrible crimes do happen in Adelaide. A lot, people would not believe, other than the fact police have found the culprits.
The family murders - what some of those lads had done to them was unimaginable, bodies in the barrels - straight out of book, the Truro murders, there are lots of bizarre serial murders.

Free settlement.
I blame the Poms, never sent us outlaws, that commit cool crimes like in the Underbelly episodes, we got Jack the Rippers masquerading as educated folk preying on the weak.
Its been a haven of depravity ever since.

 

[CD Xbow]

Sorry, who is AM. If he has been convicted you can name him. What jail time did he get? All of these names should be investigated.
Yes, the McIntyres. I'm with you on that one.
But terrible crimes do happen in Adelaide. A lot, people would not believe, other than the fact police have found the culprits.
The family murders - what some of those lads had done to them was unimaginable, bodies in the barrels - straight out of book, the Truro murders, there are lots of bizarre serial murders.

Anthony/Tony Munro I think, not Andrew McIntyre. Munro became an important suspect after the alleged child's diary was published - see here. As Penfoldsfan has pointed out earlier, in some ways he's one of the best fits to the whole scenario.

If the dairy claim is true then it puts him, a known paedophile on the beach, on the same day. Odds of him being the perpetrator increase a lot. However, it is also claimed he has been investigated by police and cleared. What this actually entails I don't know. I have never seen documented. It could be some dodgy witness, a paedophile mate saying they spent the day drinking Coopers down at the Havey. If anyone knows I'd like to hear it.

 

[Kurve]

Anthony/Tony Munro I think, not Andrew McIntyre. Munro became an important suspect after the alleged child's diary was published - see here. As Penfoldsfan has pointed out earlier, in some ways he's one of the best fits to the whole scenario.

If the dairy claim is true then it puts him, a known paedophile on the beach, on the same day. Odds of him being the perpetrator increase a lot. However, it is also claimed he has been investigated by police and cleared. What this actually entails I don't know. I have never seen documented. It could be some dodgy witness, a paedophile mate saying they spent the day drinking Coopers down at the Havey. If anyone knows I'd like to hear it.

While some paedophiles have no preference between male and female, Munro appears to have been attracted to younger boys approaching adolescence and I think Grant may have been too young, he also had to get past Grant's two sisters. Far as I'm aware, there's nothing to indicate he was attracted to girls of any age.

Munro came back to Australia and faced the music, pleading guilty to offences against more than one boy, cooperating with the police and the courts.

I don't know how he was cleared but I'm told he had a day job, maybe it was that.

 

[Deni]

About the oval girls, Suzie said recently, that the girls weren't the only ones being followed by this man, that there were other girls followed too..
It was the first time i'd ever heard her say that, I think it might have been on her reunion video on the anniversary they were taken!!
Sorry, not about the Beaumonts but it doesn't sound credible to me!!