The BigFooty Liverpool Army

[Cooldude]

It will always be, my perception of money in transfers will never change, considering when you consider what some of the really good signings are valued at. It's still highly possible to be smart in the market

Bournemouth can surely buy an established winger that's much better than Ibe for 15 mil, but no one tell them that

 

[LFC2010]

Newcastle asking 35mil for Sissoko.

ROFL.

 

[ADL9798]

It will always be, my perception of money in transfers will never change, considering when you consider what some of the really good signings are valued at. It's still highly possible to be smart in the market

Bournemouth can surely buy an established winger that's much better than Ibe for 15 mil, but no one tell them that

I think it's pretty clear that with Ibe you're paying for potential, and what he can do in the next 2-3 years rather than what he's done in the last 2-3 years. Bournemouth obviously see a player in there even if he didn't quite progress as expected last season, and I'd be surprised if they were the only club offering that much. Ibe certainly thinks they won't be.

Inflation of transfer fees and wages has accelerated over the last 5 years without a shadow of a doubt. For me, these days any half decent player that a Premier League club aren't actively looking to sell will set you back around £15m as a starting price. If you're getting them for less than that then the player is either old, close to being out of contract, the selling club are desperate to sell, the player has serious deficiencies or a combination of all of the above.

For anyone else, you can basically add £10m to whatever the fee would have been in 2010.
£5-10m in 2010 = £15-20m in 2016
£10-15m in 2010 = £20-25m in 2016
£15-20m in 2010 = £25-30m in 2016
£20-25m in 2010 = £30-35m in 2016

 

[ADL9798]

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/news/newsid=2389933.html

The team (4-2-3-1): Rui Patrício (Portugal); Joshua Kimmich (Germany), Jérôme Boateng (Germany), Pepe (Portugal), Raphaël Guerreiro (Portugal); Toni Kroos (Germany), Joe Allen (Wales); Antoine Griezmann (France), Aaron Ramsey (Wales), Dmitri Payet (France); Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal).

 

[Cooldude]

Paying for potential is the biggest ripoff, you are buying them at the price that you think they'd one day be worth rather than closer to what they're worth now, which is insane. That strategy has not worked too well for us either

Even if a part of the market is clearly inflated plenty of clubs have shown that they can succeed without following the crazy trend

 

[Dylan8]

Paying for potential is the biggest ripoff, you are buying them at the price that you think they'd one day be worth rather than closer to what they're worth now, which is insane. That strategy has not worked too well for us either

Even if a part of the market is clearly inflated plenty of clubs have shown that they can succeed without following the crazy trend

If Ibe kicks on like we thought he would he'll be worth much more than 15m. It's risky because he's worth, on current output, uh, like 4m. But if he kicks on to be the Sterling tier player we thought he would be, then who knows what he could be worth on the market, let alone to a team looking to stay up.

 

[Cooldude]

That's the same logic as when we signed Markovic, that has not worked too well thus far.

Too many ifs involved in such a big inflated fee, it's something we've done a lot of in recent years and it has not served us well. Just don't think it's ever smart to spend like that, but hey it's us getting the money this time so I ain't complaining

 

[Indie_]

Wee Joe>>>>>>>>

 

[aFiimOnz]

Talisca rumours are getting stronger.

this is a free kick he scored in the champs league against Bayern.



Wouldn't be a bad signing as we need someone who can score from dead balls.

I like him, can play as a striker, rotate in the midfield and can also filter in through the wings. Being able to take dead balls is a major plus.

 

[jod23]

How has Ronaldo made that team of the tournament? Classic FIFA.

 

[Cooldude]

Skrtel heading to Istanbul tomorrow for his medical, 5.5 mil

 

[jod23]

Skrtel heading to Istanbul tomorrow for his medical, 5.5 mil

I thank him for his service but definitely time for him to move on.

 

[RossFC]

Newcastle asking 35mil for Sissoko.

ROFL.

Lots of eyes on the Euro final means a club would pay this haha.

 

[RossFC]

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/news/newsid=2389933.html

The team (4-2-3-1): Rui Patrício (Portugal); Joshua Kimmich (Germany), Jérôme Boateng (Germany), Pepe (Portugal), Raphaël Guerreiro (Portugal); Toni Kroos (Germany), Joe Allen (Wales); Antoine Griezmann (France), Aaron Ramsey (Wales), Dmitri Payet (France); Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal).

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Allen has been so good since Klopp has come in. I think we may regret selling him. We have been lacking quality CDMs, I think if he stays he'll get a lot of game time.

 

[jod23]

Allen has been so good since Klopp has come in. I think we may regret selling him. We have been lacking quality CDMs, I think if he stays he'll get a lot of game time.

Joe Allen has gotten better and was good at the Euro's but what really is his position and how can he influence a match?

Joe Allen is pretty useless in the final third. He is not a goal scorer and never will be. He rarely nabs assists either so he wont contribute in the final third.

We look to play a midfield two. A holding, destroyer type and a box to box. Allen is too slight to be a destroyer, too small and weak in the challenge. He has good positional sense and workrate but no pace. So if he caught out of position you dont expect him to charge back and make a crunching tackle like Can can.

He could play the box to box role but Henderson has better quality on the ball, is quicker, a better tackler and can score goals.

Just what is Joe Allen? I feel we already have that box to box in Hendo, we have the tank, deep lying playmaker but also a bit of a jack of all trades in Can. What we need is that pass master with class, a Xabi Alonso type player. Klopp is looking at Dahoud. Allen for all his strengths isnt that guy either.

Allen I think is an excellent combative midfield playmaker. He retains possession, uses the ball very well, is intelligent with his movement and passes, excellent recycler but I just dont see a first team role for him unless we started playing with three midfielders.

He's a victim of the system if anything.

Can he play a role? Sure. He can fill in in that box to box role but you wont be able to rely on him for goals. He can also pinch hit in that deep lying playmaker role but he wont be as physically imposing as Emre.

He's really good backup but I hear he wants first team football and I just dont think he is good enough to get it at Liverpool. I'd be super happy if he wanted to stay on and to be used as squad depth but pretty sure he doesnt want that.

 

[RossFC]

5 year deal + loan to Huddersfield.

 

[RossFC]

I wonder if we are looking at Manninger to be a goalkeeping coach. Surely he won't play any games.

 

[simba_]

AC Milan might be in with a gross 18mil for Zeilinski, poor kid.. nobody wants to go there anymore..

 

[Zidane98]

AC Milan might be in with a gross 18mil for Zeilinski, poor kid.. nobody wants to go there anymore..

Balo wants to go to AC Milan

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Joe Allen has gotten better and was good at the Euro's but what really is his position and how can he influence a match?

Joe Allen is pretty useless in the final third. He is not a goal scorer and never will be. He rarely nabs assists either so he wont contribute in the final third.

We look to play a midfield two. A holding, destroyer type and a box to box. Allen is too slight to be a destroyer, too small and weak in the challenge. He has good positional sense and workrate but no pace. So if he caught out of position you dont expect him to charge back and make a crunching tackle like Can can.

He could play the box to box role but Henderson has better quality on the ball, is quicker, a better tackler and can score goals.

Just what is Joe Allen? I feel we already have that box to box in Hendo, we have the tank, deep lying playmaker but also a bit of a jack of all trades in Can. What we need is that pass master with class, a Xabi Alonso type player. Klopp is looking at Dahoud. Allen for all his strengths isnt that guy either.

Allen I think is an excellent combative midfield playmaker. He retains possession, uses the ball very well, is intelligent with his movement and passes, excellent recycler but I just dont see a first team role for him unless we started playing with three midfielders.

He's a victim of the system if anything.

Can he play a role? Sure. He can fill in in that box to box role but you wont be able to rely on him for goals. He can also pinch hit in that deep lying playmaker role but he wont be as physically imposing as Emre.

He's really good backup but I hear he wants first team football and I just dont think he is good enough to get it at Liverpool. I'd be super happy if he wanted to stay on and to be used as squad depth but pretty sure he doesnt want that.

Joe when he's on does seem to try and make things happen in the final third by breaking lines and trying difficult balls or getting on the end of assists. The problem is he misses way, way, way too much with those shots on goal and as you say his assists-record isn't great either.

What Joe is, like Lucas, is the sort of player that gets away with fouls. Diminutive players clipping people's heels, or pulling them back, and not getting cards as much as a, say, a Can or a Wanyama who slide in or bring people down with their tackles. Lucas also is a great header of the ball, while Allen is better than him in the final third. I think it comes down to having both of them means neither is playing 90mins week in, week out. Both of them want that. Allen looks like being the one sold because we can get more cash for him.

 

[simba_]

i read someone put it like this recently: joe allen is a good tidy possession-based footballer, as we've all seen, but klopp plays counter-pressing, you have to be excellent WITHOUT the ball, this is not really joe allen. it sounds simple enough like that, you first need a good system in place and quality that can execute your plan and second have the quality to warrant being out there, not the other way around. we don't pick the skills first and make them fit a system.

i feel we might have to take a hit on the Benteke figure but it'll be made up for with Allen's figure, Euro 2016 team of the tournament, he could go for 20 mil.

 

[Dylan8]

i read someone put it like this recently: joe allen is a good tidy possession-based footballer, as we've all seen, but klopp plays counter-pressing, you have to be excellent WITHOUT the ball, this is not really joe allen. it sounds simple enough like that, you first need a good system in place and quality that can execute your plan and second have the quality to warrant being out there, not the other way around. we don't pick the skills first and make them fit a system.

i feel we might have to take a hit on the Benteke figure but it'll be made up for with Allen's figure, Euro 2016 team of the tournament, he could go for 20 mil.

Not entirely true, we've been playing a somewhat possession based game under Klopp, to the point where our average share of possession has significantly improved from what it was under Rodgers. In fact, because we like to press and win the ball back, that means we like to have the ball and control the game. The tempo is higher but we're still a possession heavy team. Allen is arguably better off the ball than on it, too.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Allen has good anticipation and his most widely acknowledged skill is game intelligence. He actually isn't quick enough to always act on it well, though, which is why he instead fouls as often as he intercepts. I think Lucas is better on the intercepts, but similarly has better judgement off the ball than on it. Weirdly both Joe and Lucas have been played quite high up the pitch by Rodgers and Klopp, presumably to apply the press close to the opposition goal, since goal-scoring is something they tend to reserve for special occasions.

 

[Dylan8]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-treated-Mamadou-Sakho-s-career-contempt.html

Something that isn't dross from the DM.

Between April 22, when Liverpool were told Sakho had failed a drugs test in a Europa League tie with Manchester United, and July 10, as his country played Portugal in the Stade de France, Sakho missed the time of his life.

The European Championship final, on home soil, a historic French win over Germany in Marseille, Liverpool’s Europa League final with Sevilla, the semi-final games with Villarreal that took them there: all void in a horrid travesty of justice. UEFA suspended Sakho and then, more than two months later, decided he wasn’t a drugs cheat after all. Too late.

Too cold. Too careless. Too irreversibly harmful. Sakho did not commit a doping violation but has suffered more extensively than many cheats. There are absolute scoundrels who have been banned but not missed an Olympic Games, yet Sakho has been excluded from possibly the high point of his career, having done nothing wrong.

 

[Dylan8]

When Sakho was banned I felt completely let down and just cold about my feelings towards him. I felt partially betrayed.

Those feelings have been completely erased. I'm torn up for him and his humility during his ban has earned him even more respect from me than he had before.