Updated The Bruce Lehrmann Trials Pt2 * Toowoomba Rape Trial

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General

LINK TO FEDERAL COURT DEFAMATION PROCEEDINGS

 

[Kurve]

Justice Lee found otherwise.

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But where did Justice Lee state he found Higgins and Sharaz were drip feeding information to Gallagher and Wong with the aim of destroying her career?

 

[Festerz]

But where did Justice Lee state he found Higgins and Sharaz were drip feeding information to Gallagher and Wong with the aim of destroying her career?

He didn’t of course. Because it was not within his remit to judge in the defamation case brought by Lehrmann. And neither Sharaz, nor Reynolds, nor Wong, nor anyone else who could give evidence to assess such a claim were called as witnesses. It is a new allegation that has never been tested.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way in which certain posters keep referencing and quoting the judgement and opinions of Lee as established fact and on matters way outside their original trial context continues to amuse.

 

[Kurve]

He didn’t of course. Because it was not within his remit to judge in the defamation case brought by Lehrmann. And neither Sharaz, nor Renolds, nor anyone else who could give evidence to assess such a claim were called as witnesses.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way in which certain posters keep referencing and quoting the judgement and opinions of Lee as established fact and on matters way outside their original trial context continues to amuse.

So Reynolds wants to see Wong and Gallagher dragged in to court.

 

[Festerz]

So Reynolds wants to see Wong and Gallagher dragged in to court.

As I understand it the allegation is that Sharaz and Higgins conspired to provide false information to Wong and Gallagher with the intent of damaging Reynolds career.

Proving this allegation will require evidence from all parties named that confirms not just the content, accuracy and timing of the transfer of any information between the named parties but proof that the information was knowingly false and provided for the reasons alleged.

(Note. As I understand it, Reynolds is alleging conduct with malicious intent levelled at Sharaz and Higgins, not an allegation of Wong and Gallagher being a party to that conduct or intent. As such, there is no need to prove that Wong and Gallagher had any knowledge of the conspiratorial intentions of Sharaz and Higgins in receiving the false information nor that they knew the information was false. )

 

[Kurve]

As I understand it the allegation is that Sharaz and Higgins conspired to provide false information to Wong and Gallagher with the intent of damaging Reynolds career.

Proving this allegation will require evidence from all parties named that confirms not just the content, accuracy and timing of the transfer of any information between the named parties but proof that the information was knowingly false and provided for the reasons alleged.

This is what I'd thought was dealt with and squared away in Senate estimates with there being no proof Wong and Gallagher were being drip fed information.

 

[FIGJAM]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way in which certain posters keep referencing and quoting the judgement and opinions of Lee as established fact and on matters way outside their original trial context continues to amuse.

You sound like a broken record because you don't like any mention of anything other than the 'probability of rape' finding from Lee's verdict.

As Lee said: "Of course, with the predictability of an atomic clock, partisans have focused solely on those parts of the judgment that happen to align with preconceived notions.". This statement was directed at Wilkinson and Quill doing a victory lap after the trial, when they had in fact been humiliated.

As Lee also said: "The result is best characterised as the respondents overcoming a misconceived claim in relation to a broadcast because they were able to prove at trial the substantial truth (rape) of what the contemporaneous material demonstrates they considered to be the less substantial allegation (political conspiracy) made in the broadcast."

If you want to pin your hat on "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins." statement as a fact (or 'near fact' on the balance of probability), then it's fair to state that all of Justice Lee's painstakingly derived findings on the other matters, with particular regard to the post-Sharaz unreliability of Higgins, the crafting of a narrative and the obvious intent to politically weaponise said false narrative, need equal respect with the rape finding.

 

[Festerz]

This is what I'd thought was dealt with and squared away in Senate estimates with there being no proof Wong and Gallagher were being drip fed information.

Yes, it's old news.

But it's Reynolds claim - with her allegation given front page and special feature treatment by the Murdoch press, led by The Australian (and guess who ) - that the handful of discovered text messages between Sharaz (edit spelling) and Higgins provide the smoking gun of intent.

 

[Kurve]

If you want to pin your hat on "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins." statement as a fact (or 'near fact' on the balance of probability), then it's fair to state that all of Justice Lee's painstakingly derived findings on the other matters, with particular regard to the post-Sharaz unreliability of Higgins, the crafting of a narrative and the obvious intent to politically weaponise said false narrative, need equal respect with the rape finding.

Could you link to evidence of the bolded please?

 

[Kurve]

Interesting.

An AFP officer is facing charges of perjury, perverting the course of justice and concealing evidence relating to matters which took place between 2019 and 2020.

ACT Policing's Trent Madders has been charged with one count of aggravated perjury, one of concealing evidence and one of perverting the course of justice.

Prosecutors allege the offences occurred between June 2019 and August 2020.

They have also laid one charge over making a false statement in a legal proceeding in August 2020.

A final charge relates to allegedly concealing evidence with the intention of influencing the outcome of a legal proceeding between June 2019 and August 2020.

Mr Madders later worked on the case against Bruce Lehrmann and was one of five officers who lodged a defamation case against the ACT's firner Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, which they ultimately dropped.

AFP officer suspended from duty, charged with perjury and perverting the course of justice

Prosecutors allege Trent Madders, who has worked as a detective for the Australian Federal Police, committed the offences between 2019 and 2020.

www.abc.net.au

 

[FIGJAM]

Could you link to evidence of the bolded please?

Discussion on the development and crafting of the false cover-up narrative in the judgement from para 206 in here.

The political weaponisation of the false cover-up narrative is covered from para 789.

https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2024/2024fca0369

Of course, that is Justice Lee's judgement, but the evidence on which the judgement is located in the hundreds of documents in here:

Lehrmann v Network Ten and Ors: Online File

www.fedcourt.gov.au

 

[Kurve]

Discussion on the development and crafting of the false cover-up narrative in the judgement from para 206 in here.

The political weaponisation of the false cover-up narrative is covered from para 789.

https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2024/2024fca0369

Of course, that is Justice Lee's judgement, but the evidence on which the judgement is located in the hundreds of documents in here:

Lehrmann v Network Ten and Ors: Online File

www.fedcourt.gov.au

Reynolds might go close to getting Sharaz on my reading. Sharaz won't fight it.

 

[Satan]

Interesting.

An AFP officer is facing charges of perjury, perverting the course of justice and concealing evidence relating to matters which took place between 2019 and 2020.

ACT Policing's Trent Madders has been charged with one count of aggravated perjury, one of concealing evidence and one of perverting the course of justice.

Prosecutors allege the offences occurred between June 2019 and August 2020.

They have also laid one charge over making a false statement in a legal proceeding in August 2020.

A final charge relates to allegedly concealing evidence with the intention of influencing the outcome of a legal proceeding between June 2019 and August 2020.

Mr Madders later worked on the case against Bruce Lehrmann and was one of five officers who lodged a defamation case against the ACT's firner Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, which they ultimately dropped.

AFP officer suspended from duty, charged with perjury and perverting the course of justice

Prosecutors allege Trent Madders, who has worked as a detective for the Australian Federal Police, committed the offences between 2019 and 2020.

www.abc.net.au

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/brittany-higgins-rape-case-investigator-suspended-faces-charges/news-story/72e1fe1f3403bf5fd21b1b7dced72d34

 

[Festerz]

‘Senior Constable Madders later worked on the case against Bruce Lehrmann and was one of five officers who lodged a defamation case against the ACT's former Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, which they ultimately dropped.'

Surprise surprise.

The stench of this case will not go away.

WTF would any rape victim put their trust in this sort of 'justice' system. A bloody disgrace.

 

[Kurve]

Surprise surprise.

The stench of this case.

Madders is accused of a cover up over an AFP officer and his electrician brother secretly filming female tenants at a Canberra home in 2019.

 

[Festerz]

Madders is accused of a cover up over an AFP officer and his electrician brother secretly filming female tenants at a Canberra home in 2019.

So I read.

The same Detective Leading Senior Constable Madders who was a member of the ACT Joint Anti-Child Exploitation Team and was a senior leader of the Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Team involved in investigating the Brittany Higgins rape allegations.

Madders was chief interviewer of Ms Higgins in May 2021 in relation to her allegations of the Lehrmann rape.

Surely it's time the ACT Government initiated an independent inquiry to look into the integrity of the ACT criminal justice system given all that has been revealed during the Lehrmann rape investigations and subsequent?

err, hang on....

 

[Festerz]

And a reminder that every page of the AFP interview with Bruce Lehrmann by DI M. Boorman and SC E. Frizzell has an official verification footnote saying that “The transcript was checked for accuracy by DLSC Madders on 05/05/21”.

The same DLSC Madders who is now facing multiple perjury and interfering with evidence charges from two years previously.

 

[FIGJAM]

WTF would any rape victim put their trust in this sort of 'justice' system. A bloody disgrace.

Seems to be working just fine for the Toowoomba complainant, sunshine!

 

[FIGJAM]

Reynolds might go close to getting Sharaz on my reading. Sharaz won't fight it.

A tortious conspiracy is where two or more persons agree to effect an unlawful purpose that has caused damage to another person. Sharaz laying down won't (and shouldn't!) alter that.

https://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/556710/28655534/1719555081173/Reynolds+SOC+WA+Supremes.pdf?token=Gl7fEyK6%2FGgEDqMEzEDRBHDRoN8%3D

"We exude power"?! FMD, if you want one line that sums up the motive to the tortious conspiracy, you have it right there!

I know there are a group of people in here that can't separate Higgins the rape victim and the 'post-Sharaz' Higgins the conspirator and spinner of a false narrative that was used vindictively and targeted, but it's literally in black and white in front of you.

Calling Higgins out for this behaviour does not negate the empathy that you can feel for her as a rape victim.

 

[Lebbo73]

A tortious conspiracy is where two or more persons agree to effect an unlawful purpose that has caused damage to another person. Sharaz laying down won't (and shouldn't!) alter that.

https://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/556710/28655534/1719555081173/Reynolds+SOC+WA+Supremes.pdf?token=Gl7fEyK6%2FGgEDqMEzEDRBHDRoN8%3D

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"We exude power"?! FMD, if you want one line that sums up the motive to the tortious conspiracy, you have it right there!

I know there are a group of people in here that can't separate Higgins the rape victim and the 'post-Sharaz' Higgins the conspirator and spinner of a false narrative that was used vindictively and targeted, but it's literally in black and white in front of you.

Calling Higgins out for this behaviour does not negate the empathy that you can feel for her as a rape victim.

It was deliberately used to bring down a government. That’s why I thought that Bruce was probably innocent for which I was wrong to make that assumption. I’m still convinced that there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him of rape in a criminal court. However, he’s definitely a grub and is probably guilty.

Does this current rape case in Toowoomba involving Bryce refer to one or two hookups between the defendant and complainant? Originally, it was reported as two hookups a few months apart.

 

[Kurve]

"We exude power"?! FMD, if you want one line that sums up the motive to the tortious conspiracy, you have it right there!

I know there are a group of people in here that can't separate Higgins the rape victim and the 'post-Sharaz' Higgins the conspirator and spinner of a false narrative that was used vindictively and targeted, but it's literally in black and white in front of you.

Calling Higgins out for this behaviour does not negate the empathy that you can feel for her as a rape victim.

You've posted something Sharaz said without commentary or a response from Higgins, which makes it relevant only to Sharaz's perceptions.

We've already seen texts where Higgins puts Sharaz back in his place after he told her he contacted someone on her behalf, she told him not to do it again.

What you've proposed is not a motive to a tortious conspiracy between Sharaz and Higgins, it points towards something else that is more personal between them.

 

[Festerz]

A leak provided to the Australian newspaper from the Reynolds camp to suit a one sided narrative.

We've seen this all before of course. And always the (alleged) rape victim is the target.

'The whole sordid story should greatly alarm us. It serves only to undermine any faith we might have in our legal system. It demonstrates the vulnerability of the system to corruption and the power of the News Corp to control much of the narrative surrounding the Lehrmann cases. There is clearly a disturbing willingness in the legal system to collude with the Murdoch media.'

News Corp vultures exploit legal system to control Lehrmann story

The Bruce Lehrmann plot thickens as News Corp journalists claim to have obtained confidential information regarding new accusations against the alleged rapist.

independentaustralia.net

 

[FIGJAM]

You've posted something Sharaz said without commentary or a response from Higgins, which makes it relevant only to Sharaz's perceptions.

We've already seen texts where Higgins puts Sharaz back in his place after he told her he contacted someone on her behalf, she told him not to do it again.

What you've proposed is not a motive to a tortious conspiracy between Sharaz and Higgins, it points towards something else that is more personal between them.

The statement in that list of quotes recommending the leak to Gallagher is from Higgins.

I do hold Sharaz largely responsible for giving Higgins one of the all time biggest bum steers. Justice Lee did too:

“Would you accept that you have to be especially careful that people in a state of vulnerability are not being manipulated?” he asked. Wilkinson agreed. He reminded her that Llewellyn had been using Sharaz as a conduit to communicate with Higgins.

“Speaking of your own view, do you think it was a good idea to use someone like Mr Sharaz as a conduit rather than deal with Ms Higgins directly?”

Wilkinson: “My preference was for Ms Higgins to be the main conduit.”

Lurking in the background, Higgins’ fiance is now in the spotlight

Justice Michael Lee clearly wants to get to the bottom of David Sharaz’s role as a conduit between Brittany Higgins and Network Ten.

www.theage.com.au

But irrespective of Sharaz's no doubt significant influence, Higgins was still complicit in curating the false narrative of a political cover up and she frankly can't blame a bad memory for all of it.

 

[BFew]

One things for sure, the little Higgins-Sharaz definitely won't be called either Bruce or Bryce.

https://www.news.com.au/national/brittany-higgins-and-david-sharaz-announce-pregnancy/news-story/b02b587b2294c0007a79e1e272bdeff8

'Brittany Higgins and David Sharaz announce pregnancy'​

July 14, 2024 - 10:05PM

 

[Ballarat Bob]

If damages are made against Higgins and Sharaz then there is talk of hitting up some trust fund that Higgins set up after her payout. If that trust fund is offshore then what levers does Reynolds have to get paid out? I can't see any foreign government freezing a bank account to settle a civil trial ?
If Higgins has kept the money in Australia then a large chunk of it could get sucked up in damages and legal fees for both parties. I don't think Sharaz would have any assets of note seeing he hasn't worked for a while.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

You sound like a broken record because you don't like any mention of anything other than the 'probability of rape' finding from Lee's verdict.

As Lee said: "Of course, with the predictability of an atomic clock, partisans have focused solely on those parts of the judgment that happen to align with preconceived notions.". This statement was directed at Wilkinson and Quill doing a victory lap after the trial, when they had in fact been humiliated.

As Lee also said: "The result is best characterised as the respondents overcoming a misconceived claim in relation to a broadcast because they were able to prove at trial the substantial truth (rape) of what the contemporaneous material demonstrates they considered to be the less substantial allegation (political conspiracy) made in the broadcast."

If you want to pin your hat on "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins." statement as a fact (or 'near fact' on the balance of probability), then it's fair to state that all of Justice Lee's painstakingly derived findings on the other matters, with particular regard to the post-Sharaz unreliability of Higgins, the crafting of a narrative and the obvious intent to politically weaponise said false narrative, need equal respect with the rape finding.

underrated post.

But we need to remember this is after all big footy..........opinion and fact are often confused as the same.

Finding that he probably did it, is not the same as he is guilty of it.

If we gave out guilty verdicts for criminal crimes, at a civil level of burden, we would be building a prison every 6 months.