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I think his skill set was a major part of the problem, highly talented and skilled, I don't think he was pushed hard enough at Carlton, knew he would always be in the starting 22. You watch some of his games in Navy Blue and you think, "what a champion" and then in other games you wonder if he is the same guy. Same mindset as Jarrod Waite, could have, should have. Waite went to a club that needed him and he needed them and it worked out well for him, Gibbs has gone to a club that feel they don't need him and have given him mixed messages, imo. I thought he would fit in well there but I don't think it's a great environment at the moment.
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I’m not a subscriber and I don’t know how to use outline, for anyone who is interested, there is an article about Brock Mclean in the HS, about his drug addictions and partying, might be an interesting read.
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check that photo out - cocaine all down his jumper and over his legs - bloke was trying to get busted - "mclean's marked but he can't kick the journey"
'I tried to kill myself' - former Blues player reveals
Former Carlton and Melbourne midfielder Brock McLean has admitted he attempted suicide after the Blues delisted him at the end of 2014.
This article explains more about Brock’s personal demons after his AFL career ended (which I think the club and coach at the time could have handled a lot more sensitively in hindsight)
'I tried to kill myself' - former Blues player reveals
Former Carlton and Melbourne midfielder Brock McLean has admitted he attempted suicide after the Blues delisted him at the end of 2014.www.espn.com.au
This article explains more about Brock’s personal demons after his AFL career ended (which I think the club and coach at the time could have handled a lot more sensitively in hindsight)
How do you know they didn't handle it sensitively?
Didn’t he get a phone call from Malthouse whilst on holiday in Bali that his services were no longer required (IIRC That is what happened)
Anyhow it is sad and revealing from that ESPN article about Brock’s mental health issues and other troubles, and it’s actually nice that he opened up about being bipolar and having Bulimia etc
Glad he has managed to turn his life around via getting professional help ie Therapy etc.
Most if not all footballers find out their fate while on end of season break. Clubs need to finalize lists, which coincides with players being away, if they choose to travel interstate/abroad
Most players think they have more in them
Perhaps Brock could have stayed off the gear to ensure his prime focus was being in the best condition he could be, something the club had no control over unless they were performing regular screenings
Hopefully he continues to stay clean
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If you ever want evidence as to why it was the right decision to sack Brett Ratten, listen to Brock Mclean's sacked podcast. To replace Fev with Mclean, one problem child with another was symptomatic of
a) our admin, football department and recruiting department being sub par
b) Ratten lacking the emotional intelligence to understand the importance of an individual's maturity in recruitment, more so since Ratten knew Mclean at Melbourne. The episode is testimony to the limits to which coaches should influence recruiting.
a) our admin, football department and recruiting department being sub par
b) Ratten lacking the emotional intelligence to understand the importance of an individual's maturity in recruitment, more so since Ratten knew Mclean at Melbourne. The episode is testimony to the limits to which coaches should influence recruiting.
Brock must have had the constitution of Keith Richards to do this and play footy. I was always a fan and I hope things go well for him.
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How out of control was the Club and how bereft of leadership was it...
Does not get any more bereft of leadership than when they appointed Malthouse. Before that, they jettisoned one of our most promising key forwards in years in Josh Kennedy when undisciplined but talented Fevola was the ideal way to get Judd but not lose too much in process of Kennedy and very high picks. That whole period is littered with lack of leadership. Sticks was president and not ideal, especially when he did not feel comfortable doing it but felt obliged to.
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A few of our rumour mongers hinted at this during 2014... Interesting.
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I wish I could disagree with you
Brock used to be a guest on the Footy Show quite regularly too. Wonder if they picked up any idea he could go a bit off rails from time to time.
Anyway, not read article but assume he off the stuff now. Always seemed like a brighter bloke than a full on junkie like Cousins.
Anyway, not read article but assume he off the stuff now. Always seemed like a brighter bloke than a full on junkie like Cousins.
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'I tried to kill myself' - former Blues player reveals
Former Carlton and Melbourne midfielder Brock McLean has admitted he attempted suicide after the Blues delisted him at the end of 2014.
This article explains more about Brock’s personal demons after his AFL career ended (which I think the club and coach at the time could have handled a lot more sensitively in hindsight)
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It was sad to see Jeffy seemingly lose all interest in football about the time Malthouse arrived. Spent most of his last year in the reserves, gets traded to Melbourne for bugger all and then just like magic, back to his old speedy/dangerous self again.
The rot had set in at the club long before Brock was recruited to the club (from th
Don’t believe Sticks ever really wanted to be President tbh,unfortunately after Dick Pratt’s failing health (after he saved the club from going under) and the previous incompetent regimes in Collo and Smorgon that pretty much failed to repair the horrific fallout of The Elliott regime), the club was in a very sick state, and no one else had put their hand up to take over.
We all know that the Malthouse appointment was a Pokie Kings power move, I highly doubt Sticks had any say in it (or sacking Ratts for that matter)
It’s been beholden to Bruce Mathieson and other financial benefactors that have really been a major factor in these lack of leadership and board level accountability really
Not buying that for one moment. As if he did not have a say... He was President FFS.
That was also when we played for the Kruezer Cup in order to get the priority pick back in 2007. It appeared that we were so obsessed with getting the pick, and hence Krooz....and subsequently Juddy during the trade period, we took our eye off the ball.
WCE would have accepted our #1 and #3 picks, but we'd worked so hard to get the priority pick, we weren't prepared to give it up. If we had have done that deal, we would have had Judd and Kennedy.....no Kruezer, but we happened to have a young ruckman playing some good footy by the name of Sam Jacobs.
For mine, the Kruezer Cup was a bit of a pivotal moment for the club....and not in the positive sense.
AFL 2019: Former Blues football boss Steven Icke says club erred in trading Josh Kennedy in Chris Judd deal
Shouldn’t have traded Kennedy: Former Blue’s big trade regret
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If ever had any doubt that the club made the right decision in moving passed Brett Ratten, listen to the Brock Maclean interview on "sacked" in the heraldsun
Not really, not with the total Titanic regime that followed. Ratts is proving at St Kilda that he is a decent coach, provided he has a stable board and unified playing group (like all good coaches)
Well the playing group is showing a lot more than what it did than the previous regime, maybe Ratts time was up at Carlton, but the manner of his acting was done for the wrong reasons (to bring Malthouse in at all costs) and throughout his final season in 2012, I feel like he was undermined by certain board members and players.
I personally would have kept Ratts and gotten rid of the trouble making players (which ironically Mick did, for the most part)
It's ironic that many of the 'favourites' that Mick pushed out from the club (aside from Eddie Betts) were the major players that caused Ratten to lose his job, and this is where we go back to the merry go argument of the club having no significant leadership at the time (from an administrative point of view) and I believe that Sticks and the Board were just pawns on the chessboard of you know who.
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