Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[Accidental genius]

Well the playing group is showing a lot more than what it did than the previous regime, maybe Ratts time was up at Carlton, but the manner of his acting was done for the wrong reasons (to bring Malthouse in at all costs) and throughout his final season in 2012, I feel like he was undermined by certain board members and players.

I personally would have kept Ratts and gotten rid of the trouble making players (which ironically Mick did, for the most part)

It's ironic that many of the 'favourites' that Mick pushed out from the club (aside from Eddie Betts) were the major players that caused Ratten to lose his job, and this is where we go back to the merry go argument of the club having no significant leadership at the time (from an administrative point of view) and I believe that Sticks and the Board were just pawns on the chessboard of you know who.

as well as betts we should have kept robbo, garlet and waite. sticks didnt have the balls to stand up to people on the board and he himself was pushed out not long after anyway. he should have refused to make the call on ratten, even if that meant he resigned.

 

[Mister Carlton]

as well as betts we should have kept robbo, garlet and waite. sticks didnt have the balls to stand up to people on the board and he himself was pushed out not long after anyway. he should have refused to make the call on ratten, even if that meant he resigned.

Our list was cooked.

 

[Doro]

Our list was cooked.

Yep. Reached its zenith with the 'kick from a prelim' moment and all downhill from there. Players were never there for a proper tilt at it.

 

[Gethelred]

Well the playing group is showing a lot more than what it did than the previous regime, maybe Ratts time was up at Carlton, but the manner of his acting was done for the wrong reasons (to bring Malthouse in at all costs) and throughout his final season in 2012, I feel like he was undermined by certain board members and players.

I personally would have kept Ratts and gotten rid of the trouble making players (which ironically Mick did, for the most part)

It's ironic that many of the 'favourites' that Mick pushed out from the club (aside from Eddie Betts) were the major players that caused Ratten to lose his job, and this is where we go back to the merry go argument of the club having no significant leadership at the time (from an administrative point of view) and I believe that Sticks and the Board were just pawns on the chessboard of you know who.

Elmer, he's been a coach at St Kilda for 6 games, none of which have included finals or a flag. He's proven jack shit at the Saints.

They can talk as much as they like about turning it around, playing the best footy of their lives. It's spin until they (and we) put it on the park.

 

[Accidental genius]

Yep. Reached its zenith with the 'kick from a prelim' moment and all downhill from there. Players were never there for a proper tilt at it.

there was enough talent to do a lot better but our club was in disarray.

most of the players that left went on to play well in their respective clubs. betts became a sensation at the crows. wait was much more consistent at roos. robbo doing well at lions. garlet was on/off at dees.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Oh cool this conversation again
Bounce the ****en baaalllllllllllll

 

[Doro]

there was enough talent to do a lot better but our club was in disarray.

most of the players that left went on to play well in their respective clubs. betts became a sensation at the crows. wait was much more consistent at roos. robbo doing well at lions. garlet was on/off at dees.

They played well at Carlton too, with similar amounts of consistency and I'll discipline. Eddie went to new heights at the Crows though, and Robbo became more consistent. Hanging on to them would have changed nothing.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

as well as betts we should have kept robbo, garlet and waite. sticks didnt have the balls to stand up to people on the board and he himself was pushed out not long after anyway. he should have refused to make the call on ratten, even if that meant he resigned.

I am fairly certain Waite and Robbo would have been shown the door if Ratts remained as coach (Jeffy, I am not so sure about), those two, along with Hampson were pivotal players in Ratts losing their job.

The problem wasn’t with MN getting rid of them, it’s just that he didn’t replace them with the right ones (The Jaksch trade was an unmitigated disaster) and whoever let Betts go (I am more inclined to blame the board than Mick on this) was the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back/spirit of the playing group.

Also Mick was probably a tougher coach than most of the lads on our list had ever faced, plus with his only desire to coach to stick it up Eddie and Buckley and make sure he breaks Jock McHale’s coaching record, made it a bloody awful period for the club.

I am certain we would have been far better off if kept Ratts as coach and Betts, and culled the trouble making pests in Hampson, Waite and esp serial offender Robinson and did a mini list rebuild, like Buckley has done with the Pies.

Sadly there was many at the club at the time (esp on the board) who thought we were far closer to a flag than we were in reality, it’s hard to say if that is more of a failure of leadership or a mass case of delusional grandeur that swept through the entire club, including the supporters at the time.

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

 

[James_Blues]

I just love McLean for his winning goal against Richmond in 2012. I'm glad that he seems to be a lot better mentally now

 

[thylacine60]

Oh cool this conversation again
Bounce the fu**en baaalllllllllllll

wait till you find out who goddard followed as a kid......threadworthy.....

 

[Accidental genius]

They played well at Carlton too, with similar amounts of consistency and I'll discipline. Eddie went to new heights at the Crows though, and Robbo became more consistent. Hanging on to them would have changed nothing.

Hanging onto them probably would not have avoided the rebuild but they along with the older players that stayed on (Gibbs, Murphy Curnow Kruezer Simpson casboult etc) would have complimented the younger guys and probably resulted in us spending less time near the bottom of the ladder over the last several years.

 

[ESKIE]

Oh cool this conversation again
Bounce the fu**en baaalllllllllllll

Remarkably Fev hasn’t been mentioned

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Definite lack of Pav in this thread

 

[Doro]

Hanging onto them probably would not have avoided the rebuild but they along with the older players that stayed on (Gibbs, Murphy Curnow Kruezer Simpson casboult etc) would have complimented the younger guys and probably resulted in us spending less time near the bottom of the ladder over the last several years.

We were nowhere in 2014 when we still had them all other than Eddie. Not sure why you are pining for a mediocre and mistake riddled time. Prefer the present list by a big margin.

 

[Accidental genius]

Remarkably Fev hasn’t been mentioned

Fev leaving started our downfall. With him up front and Judd in the middle we could have been anything.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

bRiNG bACK fEV

 

[Accidental genius]

We were nowhere in 2014 when we still had them all other than Eddie. Not sure why you are pining for a mediocre and mistake riddled time. Prefer the present list by a big margin.

I do prefer the current team for sure. Just was not happy with the way we lost some talented players back then.

 

[norway blue]

Definite lack of Pav in this thread

Pav and Fev . I like that .


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[Gethelred]

Hanging onto them probably would not have avoided the rebuild but they along with the older players that stayed on (Gibbs, Murphy Curnow Kruezer Simpson casboult etc) would have complimented the younger guys and probably resulted in us spending less time near the bottom of the ladder over the last several years.

This is something I've said numerous times. Had we been able to get buy in from Henderson, Robbo, Waite, been able to rehabilitate Robbo and Garlett, perhaps SOS doesn't have to cut so deep and hard and perhaps we get a few of the free agents along the way.

But then, SOS probably flings them around for value, only keeping a few the same way he did anyway. His thing was hard cutting, and rebuilding using draft capital. It's been a criticism i've had of this build the whole time; did we have to cut so hard, so deeply, and did we have to opt for such poor performance over the duration? Was there no other way?

 

[thylacine60]

bRiNG bACK fEV

 

[LanceRomance]

Yep. Reached its zenith with the 'kick from a prelim' moment and all downhill from there. Players were never there for a proper tilt at it.

Should have kept fev

 

[LanceRomance]

Anyone else see that Luc Longley used yo sign in as Bruce Doull on hotel rooms?

 

[thylacine60]

who didn't?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Was there

 

[Jabba73]

Our list was cooked when we let Aaron Joseph go.