Play Nice The CAS Appeal thread - update: appeal fails (11/10/16)

[imperial_oz]

One thing drummed into me over this all is, don't trust associated legal representation about talking publicly about a strategy Sometimes they do, but by and large any connected lawyers will not talk about those details with a good legal team.

Lawyers aren't like the AFL and media in liking of leak strategy details of their cases. most of the time.

Most of their public statements are PR. They are trying to set an agenda.

Gordon's comments though are so demonstrably wrong that its hard to see any benefit accruing to his players

 

[stabler]

I've heard it a few times now... has it been mentioned who the legal minds are that have "shredded" the CAS verdict?

 

[imperial_oz]

On another note, Happy Chinese New Years Day!

Everybody, enjoy your dumplings

 

[DonsRule]

Most of their public statements are PR. They are trying to set an agenda.

Gordon's comments though are so demonstrably wrong that its hard to see any benefit accruing to his players

As I said in enother thread unless it is a red herring of sorts.


I remember with WADA's case teh test commissioned for Tb4. and than the news of elevated results from Essendon players.

That to a lot was crushing of a defense, in the end from the judgement, that had very little to do with the verdict and reason though.

 

[DonsRule]

On another note, Happy Chinese New Years Day!

Everybody, enjoy your dumplings

Percel will be away today. Busy eating dumplings.

 

[Armchair Critic]

As I said in enother thread unless it is a red herring of sorts.


I remember with WADA's case teh test commissioned for Tb4. and than the news of elevated results from Essendon players.

That to a lot was crushing of a defense, in the end from the judgement, that had very little to do with the verdict and reason though.

Considering the grounds needed to actually even get an appeal to the swiss court I can't see any Red Herrings in this case that would not have already been picked up

 

[jenny61_99]

On another note, Happy Chinese New Years Day!

Everybody, enjoy your dumplings

Seriously? We've had so many ****ing dumplings in the last three years, I'm all dumpling'd out. Never thought I'd hear me say that!

 

[DonsRule]

Considering the grounds needed to actually even get an appeal to the swiss court I can't see any Red Herrings in this case that would not have already been picked up

Maybe true. But it is by and large having everyone talk about something and all stuck on that one subject.

I don't rate the chances of a successful appeal all that high at all. I think it is more someone else is paying why not.

 

[DonsRule]

Seriously? We've had so many ******* dumplings in the last three years, I'm all dumpling'd out. Never thought I'd hear me say that!

So, Percel can have yours?

 

[imperial_oz]

Seriously? We've had so many ******* dumplings in the last three years, I'm all dumpling'd out. Never thought I'd hear me say that!

I had a whole bunch for lunch yesterday mmmmm dumplings

 

[Satan]

One thing drummed into me over this all is, don't trust associated legal representation about talking publicly about a strategy Sometimes they do, but by and large any connected lawyers will not talk about those details with a good legal team.

Lawyers aren't like the AFL and media in liking of leak strategy details of their cases. most of the time.

Except the lawyer essendon paid to tell Robbo what to write

 

[jenny61_99]

So, Percel can have yours?

He always used to sneak em off the plate anyways.

 

[Armchair Critic]

I seriously hate dumplings now more than I ever have. I have never liked then but now it is just pure hatred

 

[Chameleon75]

You can not restrict WADA on how to present the case no. Again am not opposing that. I am saying you could have had the judges more willing to accept the links in a chain method. That as a defense counsel you did not attack that method change really until things were too far down the river (the judges seems to be on board with the change in stratagy) you don't have much chance of convincing them of using the links in a chain.

I think in the end, Young nailed the case well.A prosecutor isn't their to make it easy for a defense team

theres two issues at play though, one how wada presented its case and second what reasoning the adjudicators applied.

The panel was pretty clear on not having their reasoning limited as it would effect their ability to hear the case de novo. I doubt even if the argument was raised sooner that it would have got up, they would be mindful not to place handcuffs on future cas hearings.

 

[DonsRule]

theres two issues at play though, one how wada presented its case and second what reasoning the adjudicators applied.

The panel was pretty clear on not having their reasoning limited as it would effect their ability to hear the case de novo. I doubt even if the argument was raised sooner that it would have got up, they would be mindful not to place handcuffs on future cas hearings.

The de novo point was raised before the hearing as it it being de novo. IN the end I think they made the right call from anyone I talked to in having the case run that way. But I don't think the grounds stands a chance anyway.

 

[Percel]

So, Percel can have yours?

Depends, I only have an allotted time to finish mine.

How long will J's take?

 

[Percel]

I seriously hate dumplings now more than I ever have. I have never liked then but now it is just pure hatred

settle down mate, ill ring the President of Dumpling Inc and get him to defamate your ass

 

[imperial_oz]

settle down mate, ill ring the President of Dumpling Inc and get him to defamate your ass

Seriously?

A foamer who doesn't like dumplings? Get off your f*****g unicorn!

 

[DonsRule]

Depends, I only have an allotted time to finish mine.

How long will J's take?

You have 20 minutes. Time is removed from your allocated BF posting time.

 

[Percel]

You have 20 minutes. Time is removed from your allocated BF posting time.

 

[Underdog]

Is there an early hearing to determine the validity of the appeal grounds prior to an actual appeal process? If this even goes ahead, of course.

 

[Spongebob]

On another note, Happy Chinese New Years Day!

Everybody, enjoy your dumplings

in relation to robbo's road to damascus experience, and chinese new year.

yesterday i was wandering along the river bank in front of crown casino with all the decorations and stalls for celebrating.

the eye that really caught my attention was the food stall call LEADER SHEEP.

it just seemed so apt.

 

[JackOutback]

Makes sense to wait to see if he appealed. Can't make a decision until then. Shouldn't have set the meeting until AFTER the appeal deadline, though, not just before it. Idiots.

I don't agree, they have been found guilty by the highest sporting tribunal, it's time to enact the consequences. They are appealing, but that should not hold off enforcement of the ruling. He should be stripped, the medal remaining vacant until the appeal is heard. If, as unlikely as it is, he succeeds, the medal can be returned. If it stands, Mitchell and Cotchin can be awarded it.

 

[imperial_oz]

in relation to robbo's road to damascus experience, and chinese new year.

yesterday i was wandering along the river bank in front of crown casino with all the decorations and stalls for celebrating.

the eye that really caught my attention was the food stall call LEADER SHEEP.

it just seemed so apt.

yeah except that slobbo wouldn't have the IQ of an amoeba

 

[Blue1980]

I've read the CAS findings sheet. It's actually accurate.

I think he meant its disgraceful in what it found out what happened.

At least I hope that's what he meant.....