The Clayton Oliver Statistical Analysis Thread

[iluvparis]

BRB - making 'Days since Clayton Oliver kicked a goal' thread on the Bay

 

[Scotland]

Footy was better when the only stats available were the basic ones printed in the Monday paper.

 

[Strahany]

Averaging 31.6 disposals, which seems impressive. However, when you break it down:

• 8.83 kicks per game
• 22.8 handballs per game
• 54% uncontested possessions
• 4.6 marks per game
• 0 goals, 0 behinds
• 2.1 inside 50s
• 7.2 clangers per game
• 0 bounces this year

The plain disposal stat severely overrates his impact. You can see that he simply gets the ball and handballs it to a player that actually does something with it. How someone can have a clanger 1 in every 4 disposal when 72% of his disposals are handballs is beyond me; it's an appalling rate. And the fact that a majority of his possessions are uncontested means his handball ratio isn't due to being "in the trenches". A lot of the time heist gets it and dishes it off. Plus, we cannot fail to mention the fact that he hasn't even hit the scoreboard in 6 games despite having 190 disposals; you'd expect that from a key defender, not a midfielder (let alone a supposedly high quality midfielder).

People need to keep things in check.

 

[Mofra]

John Georgiadis kicked 8 goals on debut.
Jason Tutt kicked 4 goals with his first 4 kicks in AFL football.

 

[LeverPuller]

Averaging 31.6 disposals, which seems impressive. However, when you break it down:

• 8.83 kicks per game
• 22.8 handballs per game
• 54% uncontested possessions
• 4.6 marks per game
• 0 goals, 0 behinds
• 2.1 inside 50s
• 7.2 clangers per game
• 0 bounces this year

The plain disposal stat severely overrates his impact. You can see that he simply gets the ball and handballs it to a player that actually does something with it. How someone can have a clanger 1 in every 4 disposal when 72% of his disposals are handballs is beyond me; it's an appalling rate. And the fact that a majority of his possessions are uncontested means his handball ratio isn't due to being "in the trenches". A lot of the time heist gets it and dishes it off. Plus, we cannot fail to mention the fact that he hasn't even hit the scoreboard in 6 games despite having 190 disposals; you'd expect that from a key defender, not a midfielder (let alone a supposedly high quality midfielder).

People need to keep things in check.

Where did you get the clangers number? FootyWire has him going at 3.5 clangers a game.

 

[TheFVK]

Mods please change thread title to "Clayton Oliver is completely unprecedented since Bradd Dalziel"

 

[Forward Press]

Mark McGough won an ANZAC medal.
Daniel Metropolis kicked 6 on debut.
West Coast once had Cox and Dick on their list at the same time.

 

[Brad Goodman]

He hasn't even won an ANZAC medal yet.

 

[Mofra]

He hasn't even won an ANZAC medal yet.

No honorary Premiership medallion either

 

[ManOfClay]

. I like filet mignon too, but not when it's shoved down my throat 4 times a week

You're not getting a good filet Mignon then

 

[Donakebab]

Where did you get the clangers number? FootyWire has him going at 3.5 clangers a game.

Yeah 3.5 per game, 21 total for the year. Career average of 2.89 with a game high of 7 once. So yep way off.

Actually only one player in the league averages about 7 clangers per game, and that's Jack Steven at 7.3, which seems almost unbelievably high, especially as he only averages 1.5 frees against bringing it down to 5.8 disposal based clangers per game.

 

[LeverPuller]

Yeah 3.5 per game, 21 total for the year. Career average of 2.89 with a game high of 7 once. So yep way off.

Actually only one player in the league averages about 7 clangers per game, and that's Jack Steven at 7.3, which seems almost unbelievably high, especially as he only averages 1.5 frees against bringing it down to 5.8 disposal based clangers per game.

To be fair Tyson was averaging that highly until Sunday, he's been trash this year.

 

[Strahany]

Where did you get the clangers number? FootyWire has him going at 3.5 clangers a game.

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/C/Clayton_Oliver.html

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Will take Oliver more seriously as a superstar when he's winning us close games off his own boot like Bont. Very good player no doubt and has best in the league potential but he's still well off it. Needs to have more scoreboard impact, direct or otherwise

 

[TassieSaint]

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/C/Clayton_Oliver.html

Have u got the clearance number rather than clanger perhaps?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

And I honestly thing he's beyond it with the SPP/Hipwood etc combination.

We are watching what could be the best young midfielder since Diesel, and to be lumped in there is a massive disservice.

Lol, that is all.

 

[citizen-erased]

couldn't really give a toss about the stats. Watch him play.
He is looking better than Dangerfield at the same point in their careers and Oliver looks like he has a better kick when he uses it.
Has a future "best in the comp" tag written all over him. If the Dees had rested him for 4 games last year, he'd have the rising star this year in the bag.

 

[LeverPuller]

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/C/Clayton_Oliver.html

You're reading the table wrong; clanger number is the same as FootyWire. 2.89/game for career, 3.5/game in 2017.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

couldn't really give a toss about the stats. Watch him play.
He is looking better than Dangerfield at the same point in their careers and Oliver looks like he has a better kick when he uses it.
Has a future "best in the comp" tag written all over him. If the Dees had rested him for 4 games last year, he'd have the rising star this year in the bag.

Kind of glad we didn't, the RS buzz around Hogan in 2015 and Petracca last year was annoying enough

 

[citizen-erased]

Will take Oliver more seriously as a superstar when he's winning us close games off his own boot like Bont. Very good player no doubt and has best in the league potential but he's still well off it. Needs to have more scoreboard impact, direct or otherwise

I don't get really why this is that important. Bont rests forward. Oliver is not that sort of mid.
We hear the same things with Merrett, who isn't going to be a big goal kicker given he doesn't have the height for it.

Oliver's second half against the Saints won you that game.
He smashed us on the weekend too.
He will win you games by relieving your defence of pressure and getting the ball to your mids from a clearance.

 

[Donakebab]

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/C/Clayton_Oliver.html

CL = clearances.
CG = clangers.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I don't get really why this is that important. Bont rests forward. Oliver is not that sort of mid.
We hear the same things with Merrett, who isn't going to be a big goal kicker given he doesn't have the height for it.

Oliver's second half against the Saints won you that game.
He smashed us on the weekend too.
He will win you games by relieving your defence of pressure and getting the ball to your mids from a clearance.

Sure but he didn't win us the games v Geelong, Freo, and Richmond when it was really on the line. Bong has a record of doing so. I didn't expect Oliver to do so but I expect he'll improve enough to do that in the future

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Look up the play on the weekend where Viney dives into a pack 25m out, somehow comes out with the ball to pass to Oliver who handballs to TMac for a goal. When Oliver is the initiator of that chain rather than just the middle man he'll get taken more seriously

 

[Forward Press]

Petracca and Viney are more important in Melbourne's midfield imo.

 

[LeverPuller]

Petracca and Viney are more important in Melbourne's midfield imo.

Petracca has been playing as a forward due to injuries