The Club

[NMFC]

I have been a member of this proud football club for 12 years and what is currently occuring is an utter disgrace.

Lets start with the coach he has way to much say in the running of the football club as a whole in my opinion. In saying this I do blame the club for allowing him to have so much power in the current happenings at the club .
We all bag Pagan but I do believe if he was still in charge he would be selling the club as much as Dean has been ie practically nothing.

When he was first given the coaching job he said you have to take 2 steps back before going forward , he prepared us the fans that kids will be played and hard times would be expected well what a crock of **** that was.
Lets look at the recruiting and maybe you should revisit your words Dean.
He might be a nice bloke and all but he is not up to coaching , hey we all loved schimma but the bloke couldn't coach simple as that.

The players ie Grant , Hay both fines $5,000 for turning up intoxicated to training or match days , what is going on ? people work their bums off to support the club these guys couldn't give a rats arse as long as the get their $400,000 plus they couldn't care how much the average bloke is struggling.
Have a good hard look at yourself boys as people will turn away from the club but your actions tell me you couldn't give a stuff.

I gather you can all tell I am not happy at the moment would love to send this to the club but I am sure it will end if the bin or not replied to because as usual they do a wonderful job in protecting the players but are not scared in asking us all for more money etc

 

[Rooboy 96]

I have been a member of this proud football club for 12 years and what is currently occuring is an utter disgrace.

Lets start with the coach he has way to much say in the running of the football club as a whole in my opinion. In saying this I do blame the club for allowing him to have so much power in the current happenings at the club .
We all bag Pagan but I do believe if he was still in charge he would be selling the club as much as Dean has been ie practically nothing.

When he was first given the coaching job he said you have to take 2 steps back before going forward , he prepared us the fans that kids will be played and hard times would be expected well what a crock of **** that was.
Lets look at the recruiting and maybe you should revisit your words Dean.
He might be a nice bloke and all but he is not up to coaching , hey we all loved schimma but the bloke couldn't coach simple as that.

The players ie Grant , Hay both fines $5,000 for turning up intoxicated to training or match days , what is going on ? people work their bums off to support the club these guys couldn't give a rats arse as long as the get their $400,000 plus they couldn't care how much the average bloke is struggling.
Have a good hard look at yourself boys as people will turn away from the club but your actions tell me you couldn't give a stuff.

I gather you can all tell I am not happy at the moment would love to send this to the club but I am sure it will end if the bin or not replied to because as usual they do a wonderful job in protecting the players but are not scared in asking us all for more money etc

if you truely believe this... send it to the club... see what happens...

 

[North Melbourne FC]

Yeah mate. Send it. Losing games is one thing. But ill-discipline among players is certainly deplorable. Am really displeased with Hay's and Grant's behaviour. We cannot afford to lose our discipline (off-field), which is what we pride ourselves in.

 

[Shinboners]

We cannot afford to lose our discipline (off-field), which is what we pride ourselves in.

Whilst I don't want to defend the antics of Hay and Grant, we were never that disciplined off the field. We had plenty of players who got into trouble with drinking during the 90s - the only thing is that they did it AFTER the game, and we forgave them because we were winning games.

Look at the 1980s. Both Carlton and St.Kilda had drinking cultures at their clubs, but people only bagged St.Kilda because they lost footy games.

Even now, look at the Eagles and the inability of their players to stay out of trouble. I'd argue that what Cousins and Gardiner did was far worse than anything that Grant and Hay did. And yet, they still win games of footy.

The only thing that really bugs me about Hay and Grant is that when things are going badly, you try and become more disciplined in your behaviour so you can turn around your professional lives.

 

[Devil Fish]

I have been a member of this proud football club for 12 years and what is currently occuring is an utter disgrace.

Lets start with the coach he has way to much say in the running of the football club as a whole in my opinion. In saying this I do blame the club for allowing him to have so much power in the current happenings at the club .
We all bag Pagan but I do believe if he was still in charge he would be selling the club as much as Dean has been ie practically nothing.

When he was first given the coaching job he said you have to take 2 steps back before going forward , he prepared us the fans that kids will be played and hard times would be expected well what a crock of **** that was.
Lets look at the recruiting and maybe you should revisit your words Dean.
He might be a nice bloke and all but he is not up to coaching , hey we all loved schimma but the bloke couldn't coach simple as that.

The players ie Grant , Hay both fines $5,000 for turning up intoxicated to training or match days , what is going on ? people work their bums off to support the club these guys couldn't give a rats arse as long as the get their $400,000 plus they couldn't care how much the average bloke is struggling.
Have a good hard look at yourself boys as people will turn away from the club but your actions tell me you couldn't give a stuff.

I gather you can all tell I am not happy at the moment would love to send this to the club but I am sure it will end if the bin or not replied to because as usual they do a wonderful job in protecting the players but are not scared in asking us all for more money etc

If I were you NMFC, I would send this to myself & see what you think.

 

[North Melbourne FC]

The only thing that really bugs me about Hay and Grant is that when things are going badly, you try and become more disciplined in your behaviour so you can turn around your professional lives.

This was what I was trying to get at. I really hope the boys can rein themselves in and play their hearts out.

 

[mav-1]

Whilst I don't want to defend the antics of Hay and Grant, we were never that disciplined off the field. We had plenty of players who got into trouble with drinking during the 90s - the only thing is that they did it AFTER the game, and we forgave them because we were winning games.

Look at the 1980s. Both Carlton and St.Kilda had drinking cultures at their clubs, but people only bagged St.Kilda because they lost footy games.

Even now, look at the Eagles and the inability of their players to stay out of trouble. I'd argue that what Cousins and Gardiner did was far worse than anything that Grant and Hay did. And yet, they still win games of footy.

The only thing that really bugs me about Hay and Grant is that when things are going badly, you try and become more disciplined in your behavior so you can turn around your professional lives.

Good points Shinners.

I have only one thing to say, as a Supporter I will SUPPORT the North Melbourne Football Club. When things are going badly, and the club is down that is when SUPPORT is needed the most. I am sick of all the (rap on this site, all the b1tching and moaning about JYD, about Drew and Grant, Hay, Boomer, Duff, about not playing kids, and about the kids we do play, about our recruiting, our non recruiting, about, about, about fricking everything. The amount of Support on here is very very limited (there are a few on here that remain loyal). Has anyone on here actually contacted the club and said, Chins up keeping working, you'll turn things around?? No wonder Hay went out and had a few beers.

yeah yeah I know, I paid my money, I can voice my opinion, thats what Forums are for...nick off if you don't like it, blind loyalty will get us know where.... Bullsh1t. There is not one North Player, (well maybe Powell) who is not busting a gut because he is hurting like hell.

Why, not try something different. If everyone on here sends an email to the club with a show of support it will raise the spirit of everyone there. I'm sure if everyone on here does it then the admin staff will show the Management, the coaches, and the players. This is the sort of behavior that will lift the club. Not whining like a 15 year old girl who's boyfriend squeezed the ar$e of her sister.

 

[pattyroo]

Good points Shinners.

I have only one thing to say, as a Supporter I will SUPPORT the North Melbourne Football Club. When things are going badly, and the club is down that is when SUPPORT is needed the most. I am sick of all the (rap on this site, all the b1tching and moaning about JYD, about Drew and Grant, Hay, Boomer, Duff, about not playing kids, and about the kids we do play, about our recruiting, our non recruiting, about, about, about fricking everything. The amount of Support on here is very very limited (there are a few on here that remain loyal). Has anyone on here actually contacted the club and said, Chins up keeping working, you'll turn things around?? No wonder Hay went out and had a few beers.

yeah yeah I know, I paid my money, I can voice my opinion, thats what Forums are for...nick off if you don't like it, blind loyalty will get us know where.... Bullsh1t. There is not one North Player, (well maybe Powell) who is not busting a gut because he is hurting like hell.

Why, not try something different. If everyone on here sends an email to the club with a show of support it will raise the spirit of everyone there. I'm sure if everyone on here does it then the admin staff will show the Management, the coaches, and the players. This is the sort of behavior that will lift the club. Not whining like a 15 year old girl who's boyfriend squeezed the ar$e of her sister.

EXACTLY!

 

[Rooboy 96]

Not whining like a 15 year old girl who's boyfriend squeezed the ar$e of her sister.

love it... now I know WTF they were reminding of...

 

[rooboy_88]

Good points Shinners.

I have only one thing to say, as a Supporter I will SUPPORT the North Melbourne Football Club. When things are going badly, and the club is down that is when SUPPORT is needed the most. I am sick of all the (rap on this site, all the b1tching and moaning about JYD, about Drew and Grant, Hay, Boomer, Duff, about not playing kids, and about the kids we do play, about our recruiting, our non recruiting, about, about, about fricking everything. The amount of Support on here is very very limited (there are a few on here that remain loyal). Has anyone on here actually contacted the club and said, Chins up keeping working, you'll turn things around?? No wonder Hay went out and had a few beers.

yeah yeah I know, I paid my money, I can voice my opinion, thats what Forums are for...nick off if you don't like it, blind loyalty will get us know where.... Bullsh1t. There is not one North Player, (well maybe Powell) who is not busting a gut because he is hurting like hell.

Why, not try something different. If everyone on here sends an email to the club with a show of support it will raise the spirit of everyone there. I'm sure if everyone on here does it then the admin staff will show the Management, the coaches, and the players. This is the sort of behavior that will lift the club. Not whining like a 15 year old girl who's boyfriend squeezed the ar$e of her sister.

Love ya work Mav and spot on about the support, With the Hay situation instead of a monetary fine, maybe so many hours of community service because these things shouldnt be tolerated.

But this one incident should override the fact that a majoirty of the boys are hurting and that support is required to get them up.

The only thing that annoys me is that JYD brings out positivity but then reverts to the chip chip again but besides that we cant go down the Richmond path

REMAIN STRONG NMFC SUPPORTERS AND SHOW DEFIANCE AND SPIRIT BECAUSE WE WILL BE BACK GO KANGAS !!!

 

[RoyalBlue]

I have been a member of this proud football club for 12 years and what is currently occuring is an utter disgrace.

Lets start with the coach he has way to much say in the running of the football club as a whole in my opinion. In saying this I do blame the club for allowing him to have so much power in the current happenings at the club .
We all bag Pagan but I do believe if he was still in charge he would be selling the club as much as Dean has been ie practically nothing.

When he was first given the coaching job he said you have to take 2 steps back before going forward , he prepared us the fans that kids will be played and hard times would be expected well what a crock of **** that was.
Lets look at the recruiting and maybe you should revisit your words Dean.
He might be a nice bloke and all but he is not up to coaching , hey we all loved schimma but the bloke couldn't coach simple as that.

The players ie Grant , Hay both fines $5,000 for turning up intoxicated to training or match days , what is going on ? people work their bums off to support the club these guys couldn't give a rats arse as long as the get their $400,000 plus they couldn't care how much the average bloke is struggling.
Have a good hard look at yourself boys as people will turn away from the club but your actions tell me you couldn't give a stuff.

I gather you can all tell I am not happy at the moment would love to send this to the club but I am sure it will end if the bin or not replied to because as usual they do a wonderful job in protecting the players but are not scared in asking us all for more money etc

Um - this post doesn't have anywhere near enough Petrie bagging.

Mods, can we ban him?

 

[NeoBlaze]

sorry. can see where your coming from mav, but things are too far gone for that. Half a season is wasted, hell you could even say that the entire tenure of Laidley's has been a waste considering we've taken "one step forward, to go 2 steps back" and it's only getting worse.

there's no better cliche than "Managers deserve their people", when NMFC and Laidley wake up and smell the roses on that quote then we might see some positive steps forward.

 

[NMFC]

If I were you NMFC, I would send this to myself & see what you think.

I gather your smarter than me so can you explain what you meant by this

 

[NMFC]

Good points Shinners.

I have only one thing to say, as a Supporter I will SUPPORT the North Melbourne Football Club. When things are going badly, and the club is down that is when SUPPORT is needed the most. I am sick of all the (rap on this site, all the b1tching and moaning about JYD, about Drew and Grant, Hay, Boomer, Duff, about not playing kids, and about the kids we do play, about our recruiting, our non recruiting, about, about, about fricking everything. The amount of Support on here is very very limited (there are a few on here that remain loyal). Has anyone on here actually contacted the club and said, Chins up keeping working, you'll turn things around?? No wonder Hay went out and had a few beers.

yeah yeah I know, I paid my money, I can voice my opinion, thats what Forums are for...nick off if you don't like it, blind loyalty will get us know where.... Bullsh1t. There is not one North Player, (well maybe Powell) who is not busting a gut because he is hurting like hell.

Why, not try something different. If everyone on here sends an email to the club with a show of support it will raise the spirit of everyone there. I'm sure if everyone on here does it then the admin staff will show the Management, the coaches, and the players. This is the sort of behavior that will lift the club. Not whining like a 15 year old girl who's boyfriend squeezed the ar$e of her sister.

Its called passion not bagging everyone is entitled to an opinion i gather your happy with second best I am not so i will say whatever I feel like , I have played sport at a high level and garantee you many players are going through the motions.I am sick of peple like yourself sticking up for the club ,someone is to blame for the situation we are in and its certainly not anyone on this forum or members of the club.

 

[mav-1]

Its called passion not bagging everyone is entitled to an opinion i gather your happy with second best I am not so i will say whatever I feel like , I have played sport at a high level and garantee you many players are going through the motions.I am sick of peple like yourself sticking up for the club ,someone is to blame for the situation we are in and its certainly not anyone on this forum or members of the club.

Tell me, by any chance was it boxing you played?

 

[Midas]

I've played sport at a high level, people need to be held accountable rah bloody rah.

I've both played sport at a high level and manage at a high level mate, and all this bull**** factioning has never, and I mean never done anyone any good.

There is no doubt that the playing list, the coaching staff and the board will be held accountable for the parlous or otherwise state of the football club at the end of the year.

However, factioning, whinging, calling for heads while the season continues gives completely sabotages the efforts, the plans etc that have been put in place by those that are in charge at present.

Your constant whining and LACK of support means that at the end of the year, you will be right - the old self fulfilling prophecy.

Why not support what is being done, even though you may not agree, and when the time is right then say well look this hasn;t worked, we need to change things.

Some woud say Duff hides behind narrow losses against St Kilda, Melbourne & Sydney, but is it too much to say that the consistent negativity from within compared to the steely resolved that resulted from our 5-0 start last year may explain the difference in output. We could have been 4-5 in that scenario one win behind last year.

What if everyone remained true to the club, and said I'm excited about the prospect of having a goal to goal line, the introduction of some new players, that we do have an inexperienced list as a whole but the spine might help get us a little further than last year.

But no you just want to tear at the fabric of the footy club because it's more fashionable to play kids for the sake of it. The game goes in cycles, you win some you lose some, and ill discispline is a by product of performance.

You keep shrouding the club in negativity, the players believe it and we see actions like Hay's because their confidence is blown

Hold people accountable on evidence gathered from an entire season, dont turn on your own and devour them, giving them no chance at success because they are already hung drawn and quartered when we are, or were when this bull**** began, just a fifth of the way into the season.

Honestly, you people need to pull your head in and support the place instead of whining about dishing out your hard earned. Have your opinon but be constructive, and then have your say at the AGM or a forum where something can be gained.

Absolutely sick of the constant club bagging going on here. Run the thing yourself if you're that smart.

OUT!!!!

 

[mav-1]

I've played sport at a high level, people need to be held accountable rah bloody rah.

I've both played sport at a high level and manage at a high level mate, and all this bull**** factioning has never, and I mean never done anyone any good.

There is no doubt that the playing list, the coaching staff and the board will be held accountable for the parlous or otherwise state of the football club at the end of the year.

However, factioning, whinging, calling for heads while the season continues gives completely sabotages the efforts, the plans etc that have been put in place by those that are in charge at present.

Your constant whining and LACK of support means that at the end of the year, you will be right - the old self fulfilling prophecy.

Why not support what is being done, even though you may not agree, and when the time is right then say well look this hasn;t worked, we need to change things.

Some woud say Duff hides behind narrow losses against St Kilda, Melbourne & Sydney, but is it too much to say that the consistent negativity from within compared to the steely resolved that resulted from our 5-0 start last year may explain the difference in output. We could have been 4-5 in that scenario one win behind last year.

What if everyone remained true to the club, and said I'm excited about the prospect of having a goal to goal line, the introduction of some new players, that we do have an inexperienced list as a whole but the spine might help get us a little further than last year.

But no you just want to tear at the fabric of the footy club because it's more fashionable to play kids for the sake of it. The game goes in cycles, you win some you lose some, and ill discispline is a by product of performance.

You keep shrouding the club in negativity, the players believe it and we see actions like Hay's because their confidence is blown

Hold people accountable on evidence gathered from an entire season, dont turn on your own and devour them, giving them no chance at success because they are already hung drawn and quartered when we are, or were when this bull**** began, just a fifth of the way into the season.

Honestly, you people need to pull your head in and support the place instead of whining about dishing out your hard earned. Have your opinon but be constructive, and then have your say at the AGM or a forum where something can be gained.

Absolutely sick of the constant club bagging going on here. Run the thing yourself if you're that smart.

OUT!!!!

COME ON DOWN MIDAS

This post needs to be pulled, locked and stickied for all!

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Welcome to the board, Midas!

This debate has been going on ever since there's been a discussion board. If you criticise some people call you negative, and if you praise some people call you an ostrich. There have always been a few at the extremes and most of us in the middle somewhere.

This year the doomsayers and smartarses clearly feel they have more license to dominate the board, and the way the boys have played most weeks, it's hardly surprising. But like Midas, Mav and Pattyroo, I'm getting pretty tired of it. What's the point saying the same things over and over again, except to feel vindicated if and when things turn out the way you say they will? It's pretty bloody boring for everyone else. The board is much more interesting when people put some thought into what they are saying, and some effort into being constructive.

We all love the club to bits, that's a given. The fact is that if you want things to change at the NMFC, you have to have the money/influence to affect the Board's decisions. If you want to, you can give Dean and Geoff your thoughts -knowing they will take them or leave them as they wish, but feeling you've made your views known anyway. Mostly, during the games and over the season, what can you do to help the club except add your support, with your voice, your presence and your money? And what else would you get any pleasure at all out of doing?

 

[Midas]

Mate,

I've been around for a long time, formery kymhodgemansmo, but have always been an observer just haven't felt compelled enough to contribute that much.

understand the gulf in views, and have no issue with it, but the constant drivel is driving me insane.

It's time we pulled together or the club will implode, and we cannot afford to let that happen.

See to me the issue is one of a lack of solidarity, and the constant negativity forces people to internalise and it becomes a me situation instead of a we situation.

Look at our leaders, Duff, Laidley, Walsh, Simpson - they're all internalising and it shows in the way they respond - Like Duff saying that I've learned not to worry about the knockers etc, Laidley justifying his position constantly ie we have 8 players less than 50 games etc.

This is a by product of the incessant criticism and therefore we will never sort the issues out.

How about giving them a chance. I'm no ostrich, I hate the way we are playing at the moment, hate the game plan, it doesn't tickle my fancy one iota but if I don't support what he is trying to do, then I am only contributing further to its failure.

After all 18 months ago everyone hated Sydney's game plan, and look at what it's developed into. It's been a middle of the road side for a long time as have we, hence Laidley's recruiting policy etc.

It's ok to disagree, but unreasonable responses with little thought only serve to bring us back down to the same level as disgusting clubs like Richmond, Carlton & Collingwood in its pre Eddie life.

It's time we showed some SHinboner spirit as a group, support what is happening at present, and when the time is right raise our concerns.

But don't doom us to failure by constant dissention and lack of tolerance. Very ordinary effort given the sustained period of success we've enjoyed.

 

[NMFC]

Tell me, by any chance was it boxing you played?

your a ******** i won't waste my time with ****ers like you

 

[NMFC]

I've played sport at a high level, people need to be held accountable rah bloody rah.

I've both played sport at a high level and manage at a high level mate, and all this bull**** factioning has never, and I mean never done anyone any good.

There is no doubt that the playing list, the coaching staff and the board will be held accountable for the parlous or otherwise state of the football club at the end of the year.

However, factioning, whinging, calling for heads while the season continues gives completely sabotages the efforts, the plans etc that have been put in place by those that are in charge at present.

Your constant whining and LACK of support means that at the end of the year, you will be right - the old self fulfilling prophecy.

Why not support what is being done, even though you may not agree, and when the time is right then say well look this hasn;t worked, we need to change things.

Some woud say Duff hides behind narrow losses against St Kilda, Melbourne & Sydney, but is it too much to say that the consistent negativity from within compared to the steely resolved that resulted from our 5-0 start last year may explain the difference in output. We could have been 4-5 in that scenario one win behind last year.

What if everyone remained true to the club, and said I'm excited about the prospect of having a goal to goal line, the introduction of some new players, that we do have an inexperienced list as a whole but the spine might help get us a little further than last year.

But no you just want to tear at the fabric of the footy club because it's more fashionable to play kids for the sake of it. The game goes in cycles, you win some you lose some, and ill discispline is a by product of performance.

You keep shrouding the club in negativity, the players believe it and we see actions like Hay's because their confidence is blown

Hold people accountable on evidence gathered from an entire season, dont turn on your own and devour them, giving them no chance at success because they are already hung drawn and quartered when we are, or were when this bull**** began, just a fifth of the way into the season.

Honestly, you people need to pull your head in and support the place instead of whining about dishing out your hard earned. Have your opinon but be constructive, and then have your say at the AGM or a forum where something can be gained.

Absolutely sick of the constant club bagging going on here. Run the thing yourself if you're that smart.

OUT!!!!

you raise some fair points however when I do have the time in the next couple of days I will respond to some of your issues its a forum and everyone is entitled to an opinion , I don't post rubbish just my inner thoughts and feelings

 

[mav-1]

your a ******** i won't waste my time with ****ers like you

Why don't you waste some time and email the club with a show of support. go on, do it. I'm sick of people like you bagging our great club. Sick to death of it. You say you've played sport at high level, well guess what so have I and I know that if a team is not united, if a club is not united then there is no way they will succeed. The only thing you want to do is to pull the club apart, always look at the negatives and never the positives.

You saw what Dean said to the last guy who accused the players of not hurting, not putting in an effort. If you seriously think that the club is going through the motions and not giving it there all then you can truck right off.

Hay busted a gut when he got to the club, so much so that he played a month before they expected him to. Maybe in hindsight this wasn't the right decision but he was rewarded for his effort. I'm sure JYD looks back and says, yep Hay put a lot of work into his fitness but he needed more time with the ball. Great, hindsight is fine but at the time I'd say the call was the right one. JYD will learn from this.

And if you think Dean has been recruiting a bunch of old men and no kids then your as dumb as USC. We have a stack of kids coming through. Plus 2 of the recycled players we got in Pratt and Green have been very good for us. Is this not good work by Dean?? See it's people like you that only harp on the negatives and don't want to build on the positives.

Have Passion by all means, we all have passion, sure be crytical but stop trying to rip the club apart. And don't say this is only a forum because it's people like you that go to the games and bag the (rap out of our own players. Just for a once try and act like a Supporter.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Why don't you waste some time and email the club with a show of support. go on, do it. I'm sick of people like you bagging our great club. Sick to death of it. You say you've played sport at high level, well guess what so have I and I know that if a team is not united, if a club is not united then there is no way they will succeed. The only thing you want to do is to pull the club apart, always look at the negatives and never the positives.

You saw what Dean said to the last guy who accused the players of not hurting, not putting in an effort. If you seriously think that the club is going through the motions and not giving it there all then you can truck right off.

Hay busted a gut when he got to the club, so much so that he played a month before they expected him to. Maybe in hindsight this wasn't the right decision but he was rewarded for his effort. I'm sure JYD looks back and says, yep Hay put a lot of work into his fitness but he needed more time with the ball. Great, hindsight is fine but at the time I'd say the call was the right one. JYD will learn from this.

And if you think Dean has been recruiting a bunch of old men and no kids then your as dumb as USC. We have a stack of kids coming through. Plus 2 of the recycled players we got in Pratt and Green have been very good for us. Is this not good work by Dean?? See it's people like you that only harp on the negatives and don't want to build on the positives.

Have Passion by all means, we all have passion, sure be crytical but stop trying to rip the club apart. And don't say this is only a forum because it's people like you that go to the games and bag the (rap out of our own players. Just for a once try and act like a Supporter.

I Like It... I do...

 

[NMFC]

Why don't you waste some time and email the club with a show of support. go on, do it. I'm sick of people like you bagging our great club. Sick to death of it. You say you've played sport at high level, well guess what so have I and I know that if a team is not united, if a club is not united then there is no way they will succeed. The only thing you want to do is to pull the club apart, always look at the negatives and never the positives.

You saw what Dean said to the last guy who accused the players of not hurting, not putting in an effort. If you seriously think that the club is going through the motions and not giving it there all then you can truck right off.

Hay busted a gut when he got to the club, so much so that he played a month before they expected him to. Maybe in hindsight this wasn't the right decision but he was rewarded for his effort. I'm sure JYD looks back and says, yep Hay put a lot of work into his fitness but he needed more time with the ball. Great, hindsight is fine but at the time I'd say the call was the right one. JYD will learn from this.

And if you think Dean has been recruiting a bunch of old men and no kids then your as dumb as USC. We have a stack of kids coming through. Plus 2 of the recycled players we got in Pratt and Green have been very good for us. Is this not good work by Dean?? See it's people like you that only harp on the negatives and don't want to build on the positives.

Have Passion by all means, we all have passion, sure be crytical but stop trying to rip the club apart. And don't say this is only a forum because it's people like you that go to the games and bag the (rap out of our own players. Just for a once try and act like a Supporter.

It has nothing to do with me wanting to rip the club apart merely stating what I feel in this current moment. You have not right to question my loyalty to the football club I purchase a high level membership every season , go to interstate games in canberra drive up with friends , buy merchandise , not to mention attend the syd barker medal so don't get on your high horse and tell me what to do or how unloyal I am to the club , I love this club just as much if not more than you.

I would rather post what I feel instead of the same rubbish people tend to write in here however, if you rock the boat in here in even the slightest form people tend to take it personally. I am sorry if I have a different opinion to you but I am sure you have posted things which people don't agree with thats life.

 

[Midas]

I'm purely suggesting that some support and a bit of a look at some of the positives, or at least taking into consideration both sides of the argument may be more appropriate than delving into a passionate ramble.

There is no doubt, as I have said, that many would agree with many of the things you have said, self included, but decisions are always made for a reason, and that is to develop the club not hinder it.

You think that the form of the likes of Harding, Hay, Sansbury, Grant, Harvey etc excites me as a loyal but passionate supporter that thrives on a winning culture?

If at the end of the day they hinder the club, then people will be held accountable and new people will be given the custodianshipof our football club in the hope that their different ideas will work.

What I am suggesting is how about for the next 11 weeks we support what the current on and off field heirachy are doing and sort things out at the end of the year.

At least then we can all say we gave the current hierachy a crack, unlike where we sit at the moment - a fractured football club with people at both ends of the spectrum creating uncertainty, disappointment and frustration for everyone concerned, leaving the current powers that be no chance of success.

Let's just pull together, support what we have, and get on with it.

OUT!