Unsolved The Family Murders

[Kurve]

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

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[PenfoldsFan]

Theres some confusion over where Daniel alighted the train.
Some people say Alberton but Crimestoppers say he was last seen walking down the Southern ramp at Pt Adelaide station and towards Baynes Place.
The witness who came forward and had called the police soon after to report the yelling she heard said it was on Jane Flaxman Ct.
If it was someone on the train or at the station, there would have been much more secluded places along the route between Baynes Pl and Jane Flaxman Ct.

Id suggest its more likely he was seen crossing Grand Junction/Bower Rd by someone driving by or parked in the rowing club carpark.
Access to Jane Flaxman Ct from that point by car is a simple 1st right onto Port Rd and 1st right into Hero Way.

Highly unlikely to be a 'Family' crime though.

 

[jason_recliner]

Port Adelaide train station at 4:30 on New Years day? Probably got in a fight with a drunk/druggo.

 

[Zebo]

excuse all the question at once (I've actually got a bunch more that I'll drip feed rather than flood the forum - best to keep the conversation alive rather than drowned):

Did we ever get any sort of official record (media or preferably court statements) regarding Richard's 'haircut'? From all the dehumanising involved in all the crimes, taking a break to give a victim a haircut seems extremely unlikely.

It was acknowledged in court that the photo used by the media had been taken prior to Richard's last haircut. This may have been the source, years later, of this story (hearsay) that his hair hadn't grown or had been cut.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

It was acknowledged in court that the photo used by the media had been taken prior to Richard's last haircut. This may have been the source, years later, of this story (hearsay) that his hair hadn't grown or had been cut.

Does anyone have access to this specific part of the court case? That description could mean that he had a haircut two weeks prior to the kidnapping (from memory the media photo was from 4 weeks before the kidnapping?) or there was a haircut during the time of being held.

Do Trevor Peter's notes regarding Denis and the haircut pre-date the court case?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Theres some confusion over where Daniel alighted the train.
Some people say Alberton but Crimestoppers say he was last seen walking down the Southern ramp at Pt Adelaide station and towards Baynes Place.
The witness who came forward and had called the police soon after to report the yelling she heard said it was on Jane Flaxman Ct.
If it was someone on the train or at the station, there would have been much more secluded places along the route between Baynes Pl and Jane Flaxman Ct.

Id suggest its more likely he was seen crossing Grand Junction/Bower Rd by someone driving by or parked in the rowing club carpark.
Access to Jane Flaxman Ct from that point by car is a simple 1st right onto Port Rd and 1st right into Hero Way.

I've never seen a description of what the usual walk home was (you'd assume the same path walked every time they went home from the train station unless you were actively dodging a following car). If a car was following him down Old Port Road they'd have to know the area pretty well to come down Old Port Road heading south to head into Hero Way and try and intercept on Jane Flaxman (again, regular path used as a shortcut to Lord Hobart or a detour to dodge a car??). Just saw that there's a specific Daniel thread on here so I'll look into that later.

Highly unlikely to be a 'Family' crime though.

Isn't it more statistically unlikely for serial killers to stop?

 

[jason_recliner]

I've never seen a description of what the usual walk home was (you'd assume the same path walked every time they went home from the train station unless you were actively dodging a following car). If a car was following him down Old Port Road they'd have to know the area pretty well to come down Old Port Road heading south to head into Hero Way and try and intercept on Jane Flaxman (again, regular path used as a shortcut to Lord Hobart or a detour to dodge a car??). Just saw that there's a specific Daniel thread on here so I'll look into that later.



Isn't it more statistically unlikely for serial killers to stop?

Not when he's in prison.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Not when he's in prison.

so The Family consisted of one person now?

 

[jason_recliner]

so The Family consisted of one person now?

Who else committed murders?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Who else committed murders?

not a single person has been caught with literal blood on their hands. BVE was busted for the fibre evidence, I don't believe even Mr B has said who actually finished the job. Bevan may have been the actual killer but he may have also just been involved in the killings. I don't believe there has ever been a definitive proof as to who actually did the killing. Even in regards to Trevor's diaries there's the line (can someone confirm if this is in the diaries in Trevor's handwriting or if it's guesswork by someone reading through and commenting on the diaries):
"He took the drugged boys after Bevan and Lewis Turtur had finished with them." <-this in describing Mr R's role. Almost an implication that he was the next stage during the abductions at times.

 

[jason_recliner]

not a single person has been caught with literal blood on their hands. BVE was busted for the fibre evidence, I don't believe even Mr B has said who actually finished the job. Bevan may have been the actual killer but he may have also just been involved in the killings. I don't believe there has ever been a definitive proof as to who actually did the killing. Even in regards to Trevor's diaries there's the line (can someone confirm if this is in the diaries in Trevor's handwriting or if it's guesswork by someone reading through and commenting on the diaries):
"He took the drugged boys after Bevan and Lewis Turtur had finished with them." <-this in describing Mr R's role. Almost an implication that he was the next stage during the abductions at times.

That's speculation. Looking at the facts, BVE was locked up and the killing stopped.

 

[Anonjym]

In relation to Daniel Sheppard, my opinion is I doubt anyone at his age would have racked up a debt that was high enough for someone to go knock them let alone plan to do it on one of the most celebrated nights of the year.
Not to say that the drug scene was not involved as he could have been hanging around some low life scum bags which comes with that scene whether you are buying, selling or taking recreationally. Some idiot with ego issues lands a coward punch to show off and unintentionally finds himself trying to dispose of a body is a situation that could have happened.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Bit like that, but I remembered there being footage of evidence and the ‘businessman’ in it - and just wanted to see what it was

interesting that the footage at 20:09 shows the blurred Mr R walking down his street a few doors from his house. Clearly the media are aware of his name and location for that. I wonder if they give him a wave when they shoot stuff like that?

 

[Anonjym]

interesting that the footage at 20:09 shows the blurred Mr R walking down his street a few doors from his house. Clearly the media are aware of his name and location for that. I wonder if they give him a wave when they shoot stuff like that?

Do you have the link or media file for the entire video?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Do you have the link or media file for the entire video?

back a few pages, comment #4,040.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I've never seen a description of what the usual walk home was (you'd assume the same path walked every time they went home from the train station unless you were actively dodging a following car). If a car was following him down Old Port Road they'd have to know the area pretty well to come down Old Port Road heading south to head into Hero Way and try and intercept on Jane Flaxman (again, regular path used as a shortcut to Lord Hobart or a detour to dodge a car??). Just saw that there's a specific Daniel thread on here so I'll look into that later.



Isn't it more statistically unlikely for serial killers to stop?

Neither have I but to this day there are still no defined paths along that section of Old Port Rd so you'd have to either walk through the trees or on the road, whereas' taking the route along the lake is paved.
There also appears to be easy access to Lord Hobart via the open ends of Jane Flaxman.
Together with the witness' account, I'd suggest this would be the likely route taken.
I know its how I'd get from the Pt Adelaide station to Lord Hobart by foot.

From all accounts, BVE was the 'Family' member who asked whether others wanted to do 'surgery' on his abduction victims so I'd lean to the belief that whilst the fringe players may have continued to prey on vulnerable youth after BVE's arrest, the killings ceased.

Also active at the time of Daniels disappearance was John Bunting of Snowtown infamy.
Semaphore/Largs has always been the seaside destination for Adelaides northern suburbs residents as its the closest swimming beach.
In those days, prior to the new 'Diver' Derrick bridge being built, access to and from the LeFevre Peninsula was over either of the bridges and into Port Adelaide or, if you wanted to avoid the Port, Bower Rd.
Considering it was early hours of New Years Day, when people are heading home after a few bevvies, I'd suggest Bower Rd would be the likely option, again, its the route I would travel.

Im not saying it is a Bunting crime, but you didnt have to do much to draw his attention unfortunately.

 

[Macka_321]

I very much doubt the family are responsible for the Daniel abduction.

 

[moonstone8209]

Stop pretending I've said things I haven't.

You raised blackmail, I didn't. There's no evidence of blackmail but pr0n of young boys and pics suggests there's an opening for it.

Show me the science to prove he was held ALIVE for 5 weeks. Bruising doesn't cut it, food in his stomach won't either, the fact his hair didn't grow (it was cut .. really?) pushed me towards the theory he may have been in a freezer where time is suspended. Science STILL can't tell if a corpse has been frozen.

None of the other victims were held for that long. Why?

Edit: I have tried but I cant find any actual evidence that confirms Kelvin's hair was cut but for there was little growth. I'd be quite prepared to drop this idea if there was. Its just an idea that's gone further than intended anyway.

I'm with you Kurve. Followed case since 1990s and I believe your theories as being true and if not partially true.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Im not saying it is a Bunting crime, but you didnt have to do much to draw his attention ununfortunately.

If only someone could have pointed Bunting in the direction of Mr R we would have had a crossover special even better than the time Urkel appeared on Full House.

 

[moonstone8209]

I firmly believe they knew Richard wasn't held alive for weeks, they would have realised it when they were told what his stomach contents was at the time of death. The cops knew it too imo but nobody's going to risk the prosecution and the shot at convicting BVE, by contradicting Manock's timeline.

Dr Collin Cannock may be an associate and had more involvement in the crimes. I know people who knew him well. He handed the autopsies over to James after Derrance death. He had a great calculator for time of death of frozen bodies. He also allegedly hosted and payed for private spicy parties in his place if work check out his Dom wife (trans).

 

[Poppy Penny]

moonstone8209
Correct name is Colin Manock

 

[northernsoul]

Mark Window doing Gods work here and showing Mr R's house and business.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Kelvin's stomach contents image from 3745

Can anyone think of any good reasons why someone would have uncooked corn starch in their stomach? Seems like a pretty weird thing to feed a hostage. The only thing I can picture is Bevan being such a mama's boy that he's never made pancakes before and his attempt was really, really, really bad.

[internet search later] turns out that uncooked cornstarch is something diabetics might eat for the long slow release sugar intake. Still seems weird to feed a hostage that, I can't imagine anyone being considerate of his insulin levels.

 

[Kurve]

Can anyone think of any good reasons why someone would have uncooked corn starch in their stomach? Seems like a pretty weird thing to feed a hostage. The only thing I can picture is Bevan being such a mama's boy that he's never made pancakes before and his attempt was really, really, really bad.

[internet search later] turns out that uncooked cornstarch is something diabetics might eat for the long slow release sugar intake. Still seems weird to feed a hostage that, I can't imagine anyone being considerate of his insulin levels.

I think it was apple cake. Richard had been at a party earlier on the day of the abduction.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I think it was apple cake. Richard had been at a party earlier on the day of the abduction.

I just searched through 5 different recipes for apple cakes and all of them involved the cake being cooked. If you had uncooked corn starch in your stomach after eating apple cake at a party then you've been to a terrible party. Possibly Richard's day was even worse than we thought but the 'uncooked' thing is still bothering me. I've been to bad parties where the cake was inedible so everybody avoided it. I don't want to cast that kind of aspersion on Richard's aunt, she's probably a wonderful cook.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Question - did the suppression of names hurt the possibility of the public supplying information during the initial investigations? The police didn't know where victims were kept and I'm assuming that they didn't have the lead on 'safe house' units/houses that Trevor's diaries indicated existed. Based on the era, I'm guessing that most rent was paid in cash or bank deposits and so could be 'untraceable' - if they had of been able to release names (and pseudonyms in the case of Denis (did they know at the time about Frank Denis or whatever he called himself - where did that info come from???)) would they have been able to appeal to the public to see if anybody had rented out to those names? Obviously Von Einem didn't rent a place from someone random otherwise they would have immediately notified the police as the case went big. Denis or Mr R or MGL could have rented places with their real name and been fairly safe from random public scrutiny when the case went public. I'm leaning to the idea that the safe houses were already owned by someone within the group or a relation.