Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

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Ch7 commentators to scared to call out Kohli
(The Indian team aren’t doing interviews with you anyway)
He fields in slips, what was he doing in Konstas face/walking space??

 

[jannissary]

However many years ago Maxwell plays a reverse sweep and gets out. Gets flamed.
Konstas brining the T20 shots to test cricket and looking like a national hero.
Just shows how marginal it can be and just how the selectors ****ed up Phill Hughs career .
Certainly entertaining.

difference between making the shot and going out, i suppose.

 

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FFS…Now the Indian commentator on ch7 is trying to say Konstas has to speak to the match referee for Kohli dropping the shoulder on him

 

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…and F.U Tim Lane you scum supporting campaigner

“Could Konstas score a century here before lunch??”
3 balls later

 

[ant555]

FFS…Now the Indian commentator on ch7 is trying to say Konstas has to speak to the match referee for Kohli dropping the shoulder on him

…and F.U Tim Lane you scum supporting campaigner

“Could Konstas score a century here before lunch??”
3 balls later

‘I think he’s in trouble’: Kohli under fire over ‘ridiculous’ clash with Aussie teen as ban looms

‘He’s in trouble’: Kohli under fire over ‘ridiculous’ clash with Aussie teen as ban looms

www.foxsports.com.au

Different feeling on the Fox commentary .

 

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[ant555]

Once again our inability to have 3 blokes in the top order consistently score 80 plus is going to cost us.

 

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Justin Langer is such a boys club kind of guy.
Asked by Peter Lalor earlier today if Marsh should be dropped he said “no, back him in”
Despite them
Showing multiple replays of him going nowhere on the crease and him not having scored a meaningful run all series, and that Starc et al are just about stuffed because he has hardly bowled all series and they have had to bowl extra overs

 

[DERO]

However many years ago Maxwell plays a reverse sweep and gets out. Gets flamed.
Konstas brining the T20 shots to test cricket and looking like a national hero.
Just shows how marginal it can be and just how the selectors ****ed up Phill Hughs career .
Certainly entertaining.

I kind of get what you mean but Phil Hughes had pretty significant technical deficiencies and used to hang his bat out a bit when the ball was pitched short just outside off stump and he was found out so he was dropped. Not unlike Michael Bevan who had a similar issue at test level from memory.

Not sure you can put that down to the selectors ruining his career though. He was worked out and the deficiency was then exposed so had to put in the work to fix it and get back. Sadly he never got the opportunity to have another crack.

I loved watching Konstas have a crack at Bumrah but I can still remember Ashton Agar almost getting a 100 on debut in the ashes not that long ago… it might be better to temper the expectations but the kid is exciting!

Funny you should mention Maxwell because we were talking about this too. The margin for error is so small and if Konstas had failed to execute he would be copping a copping a fair bit of heat, just like Maxwell did. It paid off for him but it could have also gone horribly wrong.

 

[eth-dog]

Justin Langer is such a boys club kind of guy.
Asked by Peter Lalor earlier today if Marsh should be dropped he said “no, back him in”
Despite them
Showing multiple replays of him going nowhere on the crease and him not having scored a meaningful run all series, and that Starc et al are just about stuffed because he has hardly bowled all series and they have had to bowl extra overs

I think if Boland played Brisbane we'd have seen Starc rested for BD and Hazlewood play here, then Boland miss Sydney.

 

[boncer34]

I kind of get what you mean but Phil Hughes had pretty significant technical deficiencies and used to hang his bat out a bit when the ball was pitched short just outside off stump and he was found out so he was dropped. Not unlike Michael Bevan who had a similar issue at test level from memory.

Not sure you can put that down to the selectors ruining his career though. He was worked out and the deficiency was then exposed so had to put in the work to fix it and get back. Sadly he never got the opportunity to have another crack.

I loved watching Konstas have a crack at Bumrah but I can still remember Ashton Agar almost getting a 100 on debut in the ashes not that long ago… it might be better to temper the expectations but the kid is exciting!

Funny you should mention Maxwell because we were talking about this too. The margin for error is so small and if Konstas had failed to execute he would be copping a copping a fair bit of heat, just like Maxwell did. It paid off for him but it could have also gone horribly wrong.

It's almost cruel to say but Hughes issues with the short ball was another reason he struggled at test level.

 

[Phone]

No ant is 100% right. The selectors stuffed up, but it's why they stuffed up that's important. you can try to convince yourself it was because of this reason and that reason. but the reality is that hughes was a continued victim of one of the handful of unwritten selection rules that govern australian selection, regardless of who is on the panel. and that rule is: if australia loses a game, heads roll. this form of justice feels incredibly righteous when it happens, but it rarely makes for good selection in the long run.

if you look at the 3 notable droppings of Hughes (2009 Ashes, 2013 Ashes, 2011-12 NZ), they all happened after big/embarrassing losses, and really only the complicated situation in 2009 (due to Watson/Johnson/Hauritz/North) was remotely justifiable. the others were just the selectors losing their bottle and picking clearly inferior players. The Darren Lehmann-led batting selections during the 2013 Ashes in particular were just a cavalcade of stupidity. For Hughes, it was just a case of last in on, first in out, and we gotta drop somebody. Hughes would have been fine if they left him in the team. But you gotta drop somebody after a disappointing loss.

I'd quickly add another example of this was after the big loss to SA in Hobart in 2016-2017 and a bunch of people got dropped. In came Renshaw, Handscomb and Maddinson plus Matt Wade. By the third test of the Ashes the next year, all those guys weren't in the team anymore, and only Handscomb even made it to the Ashes. great work guys, way to go.

Of course one of the other unwritten rules is you can't charge a winning team. this makes the MMarsh situation so interesting going into Sydney. if Australia win today and then drop MMarsh, we could see a form of history. over the last 20 odd years, there's basically close to zero cases of the top 7 being dropped mid-series for form reasons after Australia have a won match (so not related to injury, retirement or team structure). I say close to zero because Maddinson and Handscomb did get dropped mid-series after a win but they were replaced with all-rounders, so not like for like, even though form was a factor. They might be one I'm blanking on, but the pattern is generally established. The top 7 doesn't get changed after a win. And the current head selector is an example of that. George Bailey never should have been selected for the 2013-2014 Ashes, but ended up playing all 5 tests despite his predictably dire efforts because Australia kept on winning.

 

[DERO]

No ant is 100% right. The selectors stuffed up, but it's why they stuffed up that's important. you can try to convince yourself it was because of this reason and that reason. but the reality is that hughes was a continued victim of one of the handful of unwritten selection rules that govern australian selection, regardless of who is on the panel. and that rule is: if australia loses a game, heads roll. this form of justice feels incredibly righteous when it happens, but it rarely makes for good selection in the long run.

if you look at the 3 notable droppings of Hughes (2009 Ashes, 2013 Ashes, 2011-12 NZ), they all happened after big/embarrassing losses, and really only the complicated situation in 2009 (due to Watson/Johnson/Hauritz/North) was remotely justifiable. the others were just the selectors losing their bottle and picking clearly inferior players. The Darren Lehmann-led batting selections during the 2013 Ashes in particular were just a cavalcade of stupidity. For Hughes, it was just a case of last in on, first in out, and we gotta drop somebody. Hughes would have been fine if they left him in the team. But you gotta drop somebody after a disappointing loss.

I'd quickly add another example of this was after the big loss to SA in Hobart in 2016-2017 and a bunch of people got dropped. In came Renshaw, Handscomb and Maddinson plus Matt Wade. By the third test of the Ashes the next year, all those guys weren't in the team anymore, and only Handscomb even made it to the Ashes. great work guys, way to go.

Of course one of the other unwritten rules is you can't charge a winning team. this makes the MMarsh situation so interesting going into Sydney. if Australia win today and then drop MMarsh, we could see a form of history. over the last 20 odd years, there's basically close to zero cases of the top 7 being dropped mid-series for form reasons after Australia have a won match (so not related to injury, retirement or team structure). I say close to zero because Maddinson and Handscomb did get dropped mid-series after a win but they were replaced with all-rounders, so not like for like, even though form was a factor. They might be one I'm blanking on, but the pattern is generally established. The top 7 doesn't get changed after a win. And the current head selector is an example of that. George Bailey never should have been selected for the 2013-2014 Ashes, but ended up playing all 5 tests despite his predictably dire efforts because Australia kept on winning.

The Bailey selection in particular was pretty whack. i think he had had one good season but averaged under 40 at Shield level. I can remember Mark Waugh pushing for Dan Christian too and I am certain he was 12th man at one stage.

I think that maybe says a bit about the talent we have coming through. Gone are the days of having Brad Hodge, Jamie Siddons and Boof Lehman playing for Victoria because they can’t get a run in the national side. We look very light on.

Mitch Marsh deserves to get dropped. He is still dining out on work done in England.

 

[monty1104]

The Bailey selection in particular was pretty whack. i think he had had one good season but averaged under 40 at Shield level. I can remember Mark Waugh pushing for Dan Christian too and I am certain he was 12th man at one stage.

I think that maybe says a bit about the talent we have coming through. Gone are the days of having Brad Hodge, Jamie Siddons and Boof Lehman playing for Victoria because they can’t get a run in the national side. We look very light on.

Mitch Marsh deserves to get dropped. He is still dining out on work done in England.

Add the QLD trio of Jimmy Maher, Martin Love and Stuart Law to those three. All similar-ish timeframe. Very few tests between them. Add Murray Goodwin to that. Ended up moving back to Zimbabwe and averaged 46 in tests for them

 

[DERO]

Add the QLD trio of Jimmy Maher, Martin Love and Stuart Law to those three. All similar-ish timeframe. Very few tests between them. Add Murray Goodwin to that. Ended up moving back to Zimbabwe and averaged 46 in tests for them

And everyone’s favourite, Matthew Elliot.

 

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Does hotspot no longer exist or are ch7/CricketOz too cheap to pay for it??
Would have been real handy for the Jaiswel dismissal (snicko was never going to pick up a sound of it flicking the glove…or was it off the splice??)
FTR I think he hit it

 

[DERO]

Does hotspot no longer exist or are ch7/CricketOz too cheap to pay for it??
Would have been real handy for the Jaiswel dismissal (snicko was never going to pick up a sound of it flicking the glove…or was it off the splice??)
FTR I think he hit it

He clearly hit it! They tracked the deflection off the bat/ glove.

 

[Lore]

Well that was an enjoyable 5 day stint in front of the television. The MCG was built for this and you can tell

 

[Lore]

Does hotspot no longer exist or are ch7/CricketOz too cheap to pay for it??
Would have been real handy for the Jaiswel dismissal (snicko was never going to pick up a sound of it flicking the glove…or was it off the splice??)
FTR I think he hit it

They used it a couple days ago on Fox but not today. Not sure why

 

[boncer34]

Does hotspot no longer exist or are ch7/CricketOz too cheap to pay for it??
Would have been real handy for the Jaiswel dismissal (snicko was never going to pick up a sound of it flicking the glove…or was it off the splice??)
FTR I think he hit it

India refuse to use it

 

[Darealrath]

Does hotspot no longer exist or are ch7/CricketOz too cheap to pay for it??
Would have been real handy for the Jaiswel dismissal (snicko was never going to pick up a sound of it flicking the glove…or was it off the splice??)
FTR I think he hit it

Definitely hit the bat. Weird how the 7 commentary and 3rd umpire kept focusing on the glove.