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[Call Me Cake]

Meanwhile everyone gleefully rushes out to buy the latest gadgets and products made in China or the latest fashion made in Bangladesh knowing full well big corporations are taking advantage of those in sweatshops for literal pennies on the dollar, with no where near the same human rights afforded to them as to us.

But no one bats an eyelid. No one calls it endorsement by association. Why? Because the alternative is when it starts to become just a tad too inconvenient and too close to home for people who have so much time to complain.

Spare me.

 

[Godzke]

Barcelona had a funny moralistic set of stepping stones

No shirt sponsor for decades- we are above such things.

Onto Unicef, ok let's act like we are sponsoring a cause..

Ok the shirt space has been opened up now, onto the open market it goes, next minute morals arnt applicable - maybe if they didn't spend so much money they don't have on s**t players they wouldn't need to sell their souls?

Yes we as morally bankrupt now as we've ever been.

Selling our guernsey off to the highest bidder off spotify, which ironically after Drake could next be Shakira ... how awkward for Gerard Pique.

 

[Godzke]

Couldn't care less about Gina, but credit where credit is due ... she is single-handedly responsible for bankrolling our Olympic swim team.

The new AFL rights deal will mean more money directed to AFLW players, which means netball will continue struggling to attract talent. Once the pot runs dry they'll learn to keep their mouths shut.

And after the way Cummins knifed Langer, his desire to remove Alinta is probably to get AGL on the shirt instead. Two-faced prick.

 

[yodellinhank]

Yes we as morally bankrupt now as we've ever been.

Selling our guernsey off to the highest bidder off spotify, which ironically after Drake could next be Shakira ... how awkward for Gerard Pique.

I thought it was the Demons who were sponsored by Drake?

 

[Godzke]

I thought it was the Demons who were sponsored by Drake?

talking about Barcelona

 

[brain taylor]

i want that hungry jack's sponsorship that the eagles had and i want free burgers from it

 

[quotemokc]

Planes are pretty bad for the environment but these football players take a trip on one weekly.

 

[IHurley]

I haven't heard anyone who supports a switch away from fossil fuels say it should involve hanging coal towns out to dry and every serious proposal I've seen involves many billions spent helping those places transition to new economic opportunities. Case in point, one of the biggest holdups in closing coal mines in Germany was left wing political parties wanting wanting more assistance for the affected communities than the center right was prepared to spend.

In any case, while it will not affect me directly it will be paid for in part from taxes I pay, or taken out of the budgets of government services/infrastructure I use.

Does that assuage your conscience?

You'll take their jobs and their life savings but you'll put them on welfare for the rest of their lives.

And that makes it all ok.

Not that it matters. If we shut down our mineral exports the currency would fall by 80%. Any money we gave to ex- coal miners would be worthless.

But I did love your "every serious proposal". What does that mean? How on earth are you in a position to judge? What if one of the "non-serious" proposals gets used instead? How could any proposal that wipes out our ability to obtain hard currency be "serious"? How could any proposal jeopardizing our ability to keep the lights on be considered "serious"?

None of your beliefs are "serious". But they're still popular.

 

[IHurley]

At some point the coal is going to run out anyway, it's an inevitable future for every one of those mining towns and every resident within should be expected to come to terms with the mine not being there forever along with whatever hardship it's disappearance may be. I get that uprooting families with kids etc. is hard but that's the part and parcel that comes with that line of work; mining projects always have a lifespan and at the end of that lifespan the mine either expands or it closes and that's that. I'm sorry but nobody is entitled to job security, and if you want the perks of living in a small town with one industry keeping the place going then that's the risk you're accepting for your lifestyle.

If you drive from Melbourne to Mildura and you'll pass through any number of tiny farm towns that have all but disappeared since the 60's when the jobs in agriculture started to dry up and the population moved en masse to the city. Nobody was offering assistance for those people, there was nothing but the expectation that you could stay and adapt or move to Melbourne or a regional centre like everybody else.

Yes. But "at some point" = well over 1000 years away.

As for no job security entitlement I find that hilarious considering you're defending the government - whose workers have complete job security.

And people have invested hundreds of billions of dollars in these mines. Why should they sacrifice their life savings when people like Cummins won't even sacrifice a trip to India? Do you think it's a good idea if the government just randomly chooses businesses for destruction? Why would anybody start a business?

 

[Howard Moon]

Planes are pretty bad for the environment but these football players take a trip on one weekly.

So was the lolita express but it didn't stop gates

 

[DERO]

Does that assuage your conscience?

You'll take their jobs and their life savings but you'll put them on welfare for the rest of their lives.

And that makes it all ok.

Not that it matters. If we shut down our mineral exports the currency would fall by 80%. Any money we gave to ex- coal miners would be worthless.

But I did love your "every serious proposal". What does that mean? How on earth are you in a position to judge? What if one of the "non-serious" proposals gets used instead? How could any proposal that wipes out our ability to obtain hard currency be "serious"? How could any proposal jeopardizing our ability to keep the lights on be considered "serious"?

None of your beliefs are "serious". But they're still popular.

Carn man.

 

[boncer34]

At some point the coal is going to run out anyway, it's an inevitable future for every one of those mining towns and every resident within should be expected to come to terms with the mine not being there forever along with whatever hardship it's disappearance may be. I get that uprooting families with kids etc. is hard but that's the part and parcel that comes with that line of work; mining projects always have a lifespan and at the end of that lifespan the mine either expands or it closes and that's that. I'm sorry but nobody is entitled to job security, and if you want the perks of living in a small town with one industry keeping the place going then that's the risk you're accepting for your lifestyle.

If you drive from Melbourne to Mildura and you'll pass through any number of tiny farm towns that have all but disappeared since the 60's when the jobs in agriculture started to dry up and the population moved en masse to the city. Nobody was offering assistance for those people, there was nothing but the expectation that you could stay and adapt or move to Melbourne or a regional centre like everybody else.

Say what?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Does that assuage your conscience?

You'll take their jobs and their life savings but you'll put them on welfare for the rest of their lives.

And that makes it all ok.

Not that it matters. If we shut down our mineral exports the currency would fall by 80%. Any money we gave to ex- coal miners would be worthless.

But I did love your "every serious proposal". What does that mean? How on earth are you in a position to judge? What if one of the "non-serious" proposals gets used instead? How could any proposal that wipes out our ability to obtain hard currency be "serious"? How could any proposal jeopardizing our ability to keep the lights on be considered "serious"?

None of your beliefs are "serious". But they're still popular.

That’s literally the opposite of the direction things are heading. The ‘serious proposals’, i.e. the ones actually being considered or promoted by people in a position of influence or major political parties all involve an economic transition to replace fossil fuel extraction with new industries. Precisely because no one wants to see those communities getting screwed over and end up on welfare. Even the Greens mention it many times in their policy framework.

I’d love to see your source for the $AU collapsing should fossil fuel exports end.

 

[BrunoV]

Life destroyed is a bit much, how about a season of balls that won't go reverse

It sounds horrible when you read it but that is essentially what is being proposed in reverse. I think that is IHurley's point, it's the proportionate response.

It's not uncommon to hear of the pressure that increases in ticket prices or membership has on people.

We hear a lot made about increases in hourly rates of pay in certain industries that shouldn't be large enough to make a difference to anyone's life but seemingly do.

Pensioners living an extremely fine line.

We know the government had to chip in to reduce the cost of petrol so psychopaths in the US and UK, mainly,could turn the Donbass into their bloody playground to continue laundering tax pay money into their bank accounts and those of their friends and family.

So what, then, is going to be the impact of this bullshit?

I believe people when they act in a way which is consistent with what they say. You don't expect anything of people that you would not expect of yourself.

But then there's the modern left. The attitudes of the labour lawyer tossers who used unions as a platform to get into politics, combined with the realisation that the working class is actually too sensible to buy into the idealism, has resulted in the evolution into a supposedly educated, self-obsessed movement of extremely malleable/impressionable people that has contempt for the working class.

The best they will come up with is more welfare, more government spending completely ignorant of the inflationary pressure that creates, because tax increases are never matched by wage increases (because productivity does not increase), and the inevitable shrinking of the middle class they all belong to.

I know you know this Howard, definitely not directing this at you.

 

[tandino]

The current problems started when the AFL got involved - from grass roots netball to NA. Netball was raided to provide stock for AFLW. Before that, NA had been managed perfectly well. The problems started when people who knew netball (like ex-diamond Kathy Harby) couldn't get onto the board of NA but, from memory, people like Eddie Maguire could...

The rules of the domestic comp have since been changed - which has led to variable success internationally - and the recent sponsorship controversy. The sport's not in a healthy place. The Foxtel deal means that audiences are limited and also limit growth of the game - again to the benefit of AFLW and the AFL.

I don't really agree with the premise that everything was fine until the AFL came along, but even if that is true, so what? It's not much to hang your hat on. The AFL owes other sports nothing. If Netball can't adjust and co-exist in that environment then it's a problem of their own making.

 

[Old Campaigner]

We know the government had to chip in to reduce the cost of petrol so psychopaths in the US and UK, mainly,could turn the Donbass into their bloody playground to continue laundering tax pay money into their bank accounts and those of their friends and family.

Ah, what? It's pretty hard to pin that mess on anyone other than Russia.

 

[Xyle01]

That’s literally the opposite of the direction things are heading. The ‘serious proposals’, i.e. the ones actually being considered or promoted by people in a position of influence or major political parties all involve an economic transition to replace fossil fuel extraction with new industries. Precisely because no one wants to see those communities getting screwed over and end up on welfare. Even the Greens mention it many times in their policy framework.

I’d love to see your source for the $AU collapsing should fossil fuel exports end.

New industries.... blue sky....

Stark reality is Coal exports alone are estimated to account for over $120 billion in revenue (metallurgical and thermal coal) for the country this financial year [https://www.industry.gov.au/sites/d...nd-energy-quarterly-september-2022/index.html]. This represents a major slice of the country's total exports. Not to mention Gas and other fuels.

If you completely eliminate this revenue without replacing it, the results upon the economy will be disastrous for EVERYONE, not just people in mining towns.

So when everyone can tell me where we are going to find even just $50 billion in export revenue to replace coal and sustain the economy, then I'll support shutting down our coal.

Anthony Albanese rules out banning fossil fuel projects, citing risk to Australian economy

PM says if Australia didn’t export coal there would be ‘replacement coal from other countries that’s likely to produce higher emissions’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Eleven 38]

Rinehart has pulled out of the netball. Itll be interesting too see where this goes.

 

[BrunoV]

Ah, what? It's pretty hard to pin that mess on anyone other than Russia.

Well yeah, if you don't understand the history.

 

[BrunoV]

Rinehart has pulled out of the netball. Itll be interesting too see where this goes.

I guess there is an irony.

Whether it was intentional or not, it looks like the netballers will be forced to die by the sword.

 

[Howard Moon]

I guess there is an irony.

Whether it was intentional or not, it looks like the netballers will be forced to die by the sword.

Some do gooder white knight will chip in for the likes, the owner of boost juice or something

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I guess there is an irony.

Whether it was intentional or not, it looks like the netballers will be forced to die by the sword.

7 million loss over 2 years

and now they turn down 15-million-dollar sponsorship - all because of what some white bloke said 40 years ago.

it's an utter embarrassment by Netball Aus. Deserve to go bust.

 

[BrunoV]

7 million loss over 2 years

and now they turn down 15-million-dollar sponsorship - all because of what some white bloke said 40 years ago.

it's an utter embarrassment by Netball Aus. Deserve to go bust.

And I am sure that at some point sex discrimination will get a run.

If you want to make money via sponsorship you gotta be a total shill.

Frankly, what makes these people think they can take money from those they want to lecture?

 

[Old Campaigner]

New industries.... blue sky....

Stark reality is Coal exports alone are estimated to account for over $120 billion in revenue (metallurgical and thermal coal) for the country this financial year [https://www.industry.gov.au/sites/d...nd-energy-quarterly-september-2022/index.html]. This represents a major slice of the country's total exports. Not to mention Gas and other fuels.

If you completely eliminate this revenue without replacing it, the results upon the economy will be disastrous for EVERYONE, not just people in mining towns.

So when everyone can tell me where we are going to find even just $50 billion in export revenue to replace coal and sustain the economy, then I'll support shutting down our coal.

Anthony Albanese rules out banning fossil fuel projects, citing risk to Australian economy

PM says if Australia didn’t export coal there would be ‘replacement coal from other countries that’s likely to produce higher emissions’

www.theguardian.com

Picking this year is somewhat disingenuous given what has happened in energy markets since Feb. Pre-covid coal exports were worth $60 billion or so. Thermal coal is in a terminal decline anyway, it's no longer cost effective to build coal fired power stations so we'd be better of thinking about what comes next. There's already pilot projects aimed at replacing coking coal too.

This is where a lot of the replacement revenue is going to come from: https://www.industry.gov.au/mining-...pporting-critical-minerals-projects-australia

Recent events have shown the importance of having a reliable source of these minerals, and since a lot of those minerals are currently only available in significant quality from China there's a lot of effort going into developing alternative suppliers such as Australia.

It won't just be resource extraction though, and it's probably better for local businesses for these places to diversify and avoid being exposed to the vagaries of a single industry sector. Collie is an example of a transition away from coal and how it might be achieved without creating a ghost town: https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2021-10/2107-067_Collie Prospectus-Web-1.pdf

You might also look at what was done in the Latrobe Valley in the wake of the Hazelwood closure, or Geelong and Adelaide after Ford and Holden ceased their operations. It's not perfect but people aren't being hung out to dry either.

 

[quotemokc]

"An often conveniently neglected truth when activists talk emotively about mining is that most, if not all, of the primary products required for the equipment, production, distribution and delivery of renewable energy depend on resources that need to be mined."