Politics The Hangar Politics Thread

[Beerfish]

Not so much cigarettes are on a downward trend. Not many young people smoke anymore, everyone vapes

Pretty sure big tobacco has been investing in vapes for some time now so it's essentially the same thing I think.

 

[faible]

Pretty sure big tobacco has been investing in vapes for some time now so it's essentially the same thing I think.

Smelling like an ashtray wasn't popular anymore, needed to find a way to ensure the next generation got emphysema.

 

[Nifft]

Not so much cigarettes are on a downward trend. Not many young people smoke anymore, everyone vapes

But if they could advertise...

 

[Beerfish]

Smelling like an ashtray wasn't popular anymore, needed to find a way to ensure the next generation got emphysema.

Vaping is probably the best thing to happen for the tobacco companies in years. Now they can keep people addicted without killing them as quickly. Can't make money out of people if they're dead.

 

[yodellinhank]

Essendon FC - now sponsored by the Lobster cave ?

My old footy club was sponsored by Lobster cave. Used to get a $40 or $50 voucher but I still couldn't afford to eat there

 

[faible]

Can't make money out of people if they're dead.

If they hire Thorburn maybe they can work that out too.

 

[Beerfish]

Life destroyed is a bit much, how about a season of balls that won't go reverse

I don't think it goes far enough personally. His family's lives should also be destroyed as well as any close friends.

 

[Nifft]

Can't make money out of people if they're dead.

It wouldn't surprise me if the tobacco industry had invested in the funeral industry.

 

[Howard Moon]

My old footy club was sponsored by Lobster cave. Used to get a $40 or $50 voucher but I still couldn't afford to eat there

Just get the Ferg burger hold the lobster

 

[ghostdog]

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There's an interesting doco from almost 20 years ago called The Corporation. It's worth watching to see how some of them operate when it comes to ethics.

Yes, The Corporation is brilliant.

 

[Call Me Cake]

"Sportswashing", what other new age terminology will we think of next?

I feel like one of the components of becoming a true first world society is to perpetually complain about things once you've got the free time left over from not needing to look for your next meal or keep the water running.

 

[faible]

"Sportswashing", what other new age terminology will we think of next?

I feel like one of the components of becoming a true first world society is to perpetually complain about things once you've got the free time left over from not needing to look for your next meal or keep the water running.

Concern about climate change might ultimately impact keeping the water running.

 

[quotemokc]

These people are just taking the piss and really grasping at straws.

 

[DERO]

My old footy club was sponsored by Lobster cave. Used to get a $40 or $50 voucher but I still couldn't afford to eat there

It’s shit.

 

[boncer34]

It’s s**t.

Not all of us can afford Vue de Monde mate.

 

[Stopher]

He was last summer when he was getting paid to be in tv ads for them

No doubt he'll pay all that dirty money back ASAP.

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

Just get the Ferg burger hold the lobster

I got randomly paired up with Bill for a game of golf one day a long while back.

 

[Eleven 38]

Yeah, its a bit strange really, these players are literally getting paid by the sponsors.

They will dead set have a whinge when they have to take a pay cut after the new sponsors only put in 1million instead of 10million.

 

[Howard Moon]

Alinta only sponsor the cricket to maintain the charade that they are true blue dinky di Aussies, right there on the cricket teams shirt... Meanwhile Chow Tai Fook Enterprises probably dosent quite have the same ring to it

 

[Old Campaigner]

Concern about climate change might ultimately impact keeping the water running.

It actually runs even better with climate change



Checkmate lefties

The key word is "sacrifice".

If you would expect to sacrifice more than what you ask of others then you're not a hypocrite and you're welcome to continue pontificating.

If you expect to sacrifice less then you're a complete **** and should have your life destroyed.

Asking coal miners to stop feeding their families when you won't even forgo a first-class flight is the latter.

And now you all understand good vs evil. Cummins is the latter.

You're welcome.

I haven't heard anyone who supports a switch away from fossil fuels say it should involve hanging coal towns out to dry and every serious proposal I've seen involves many billions spent helping those places transition to new economic opportunities. Case in point, one of the biggest holdups in closing coal mines in Germany was left wing political parties wanting wanting more assistance for the affected communities than the center right was prepared to spend.

In any case, while it will not affect me directly it will be paid for in part from taxes I pay, or taken out of the budgets of government services/infrastructure I use.

 

[sameolds33]

Sponsorship is product endorsement. The athletes are being paid to endorse the sponsor - they make public annoncements that the sponsor produces good cars, luggage, electricity.

The Diamonds' case has asked: How do they do that without compromising either their careers or their values? It's a reasonable question to ask.

The captain of the Australian Cricket team carries a lot of social currency. The sponsor's requirement that Cummin's endorse their product is not being made by him personally - its being made by him in his capacity as captain of the Australian cricket team. The next Australian captain will similarly be asked to endorse whoever is the sponsor.

We, as a sports loving nation, put a lot of pressure on our sports people. We expect excellence without providing the base support. We expect business to step in and provide the funds and we don't care whether the endorsement requirements of that sponsorship is a problem for someone who's had to work hard to get to the standard of excellence that professional sport requires.

If the athlete doesn't endorse the sponsor the sponsor finds another athlete/team who will. The athletes/sports need sponsorship to pay for their competition. Its a vicious cycle and one in which the athlete can't win without compromising personal values for the good of the team or the sport.

It's a reasonable question for them to demand that their ruling bodies work harder to find sponsors who also reflect the wider social values - or at least don't expose the athletes to the job of having to defend those values at the expense of their own.

We're quick to attack athletes who don't uphold community standards. How do they do that when they have no control over who sponsors them?

The governing bodies need to do better. They need to consult with the players whose endorsement is required by the sponsor and they need to be in touch with community values.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Just do what muslims do with alcohol sponsors - refuse to wear the brand

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I haven't heard anyone who supports a switch away from fossil fuels say it should involve hanging coal towns out to dry and every serious proposal I've seen involves many billions spent helping those places transition to new economic opportunities. Case in point, one of the biggest holdups in closing coal mines in Germany was left wing political parties wanting wanting more assistance for the affected communities than the center right was prepared to spend.

In any case, while it will not affect me directly it will be paid for in part from taxes I pay, or taken out of the budgets of government services/infrastructure I use.

At some point the coal is going to run out anyway, it's an inevitable future for every one of those mining towns and every resident within should be expected to come to terms with the mine not being there forever along with whatever hardship it's disappearance may be. I get that uprooting families with kids etc. is hard but that's the part and parcel that comes with that line of work; mining projects always have a lifespan and at the end of that lifespan the mine either expands or it closes and that's that. I'm sorry but nobody is entitled to job security, and if you want the perks of living in a small town with one industry keeping the place going then that's the risk you're accepting for your lifestyle.

If you drive from Melbourne to Mildura and you'll pass through any number of tiny farm towns that have all but disappeared since the 60's when the jobs in agriculture started to dry up and the population moved en masse to the city. Nobody was offering assistance for those people, there was nothing but the expectation that you could stay and adapt or move to Melbourne or a regional centre like everybody else.

 

[windyhill]

Essendon FC - now sponsored by the Lobster cave ?

“ Where tomorrow’s menu is still swimming “

 

[Old Campaigner]

At some point the coal is going to run out anyway, it's an inevitable future for every one of those mining towns and every resident within should be expected to come to terms with the mine not being there forever along with whatever hardship it's disappearance may be. I get that uprooting families with kids etc. is hard but that's the part and parcel that comes with that line of work; mining projects always have a lifespan and at the end of that lifespan the mine either expands or it closes and that's that. I'm sorry but nobody is entitled to job security, and if you want the perks of living in a small town with one industry keeping the place going then that's the risk you're accepting for your lifestyle.

If you drive from Melbourne to Mildura and you'll pass through any number of tiny farm towns that have all but disappeared since the 60's when the jobs in agriculture started to dry up and the population moved en masse to the city. Nobody was offering assistance for those people, there was nothing but the expectation that you could stay and adapt or move to Melbourne or a regional centre like everybody else.

What you have to understand is that it's perfectly fine when people get *ed over by the long dick of capitalism but as soon as there's any kind of government involvement it's literally terrorism