Mega Thread The Hird Appeal - Day 2 - Full Summary post #2

[Total_Juddshanks]

By court reporting standards, the post above with all of the tweets in one place is an astonishingly coherent and easy to read record of a case (Although no doubt very intellectually dishonest)

I look forward to a brave new world where the Federal Court Reports are published in 140 character paragraphs.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Guilty until proven guilty.......

We already know he's guilty.
That's why we are in court Dave.
So that the next time he's interviewed,he won't say anything that makes him guilty.
So simple to see through this muppet Hird.
Even for simple people like moi.
This case must surely place Hird in the never go full re"""" category simple.

 

[Ashman23]

I don't understand it but thanks for all the hard work posting the updates Wookie.

 

[KnobHead]

Great work again Wookie.

The Wookie is a legend, not in a Star-Wars-we-took-on-the-evil-empire-and-won way, but his posting for the bigfooty folk.

Over on the Carlton board, he's regularly posting media clips dealing with carlton etc. Clearly spends a lot of time on it.

So a big thanks

 

[Dave]

Fair enough criticism but how 'bout the other extreme of Fabulous Phil - players accepting bans but not actually being guilty. I get the feeling some posters will never accept there is guilt on the part of Essendon and it's staff.

I've already stated many times that their is guilt on the part of some club staff. Who and how much is still to be determined IMO.

 

[Tiger Snake]

Unfortunately, it's too late for that. Had he cooperated in the early piece, I think most people would have said anyone can make mistakes and in time it would be a distant memory. However, his actions have been that of a man who has many skeletons in the closet and to the non-Essendon supporter in the street he is very much guilty by his actions.
No matter what the outcome of all of this, the football public aren't complete fools as James would like to believe, and many have already decided what his fate should be. Hird should never coach Essendon again, nor should he be involved in football in any other capacity. His reputation will simply be one of someone who stooped to conquer, and he only has himself to blame. How it impacts on his professional life, only time will tell. The business world tends to be much more forgiving than the sporting public.

a lot of business is networking and i think a few people Albert has thrown under a bus will be spreading the Hird Turd Word within corporate world...he's burnt the wrong people

 

[ChrisKaias]

Natalie Hickey's summary of the day

http://sociallitigator.com/2014/11/11/james-hird-v-asada-appeal-report-day-2/

 

[AndyD]

Powerful point. Howe was unable to point to the necessary power within the Act.

Can you point to where ASADA interfered with the players right to silence as opposed to reminding them that they faced sanction from the AFL by the AFL if they chose not to answer ASADAs question?

 

[The_Wookie]

Natalie Hickey's summary of the day

http://sociallitigator.com/2014/11/11/james-hird-v-asada-appeal-report-day-2/

Also added to post #2

 

[hoianbulldog]

alliteration is a w@nk unless I am doing it. then its a mirror

I've never done it in front of a mirror before but I'm not surprised you have.

 

[Tas]

James Hird to Lawyer: "What are my options from here?"
Lawyer to James Hird: "How much money do you have left?"

Seems lawyers are the only ones who gain anything from this convoluted legal system.

 

[QuietB]

So how long until we get a decision?

And then what? The Hague?

 

[Tiger2709]

Nothing wrong with fans wearing their Club's colours.

What colours do the club of Hirdites wear?

 

[FuManchu]

So how long until we get a decision?

And then what? The Hague?

The Hanger

 

[Tiger2709]

Powerful point. Howe was unable to point to the necessary power within the Act.

But managed to point to the implied powers, if they are supposed to work with sports organisations one would think that included the use of whatever powers they have.

As admitted by Hank they could have had the AFL ask the questions they wanted them to ask, result would have been the same as asking themselves, even if Hird somehow wins this appeal which is based on different arguments to the first case so it is unlikely, the SCN's will probably still ber valid, so all in all a waste of time.

 

[Tiger2709]

James Hird to Lawyer: "What are my options from here?"
Lawyer to James Hird: "How much money do you have left?"

Seems lawyers are the only ones who gain anything from this convoluted legal system.

Well isnt the whole damn system from the courts to parliament set up for lawyers and accountants to make money from, I often wonder if this is how they get their own back for being the bullied nerds at school?

 

[jenny61_99]

So how long until we get a decision?

And then what? The Hague?

Decision will take as long is it takes. But as they fast tracked the appeal by request, I would expect it to be sooner rather than later.

That answer your question?

 

[Tiger2709]

These points at the end of the appeal seem to say it all about James hird and his claim to be doing this for the players

• He did not challenge until “he did not like the outcome”
• All 34 players want the process to proceed
• They want to contest it on the merits
• The Appellant alone is here

and this from day one should give us all an insight into what he really thinks of the players

Hanks on the fact Essendon and the players want to move on: "So what?"

Their thoughts aren't relevant to any relief Hird is seeking

 

[Tas]

Well isnt the whole damn system from the courts to parliament set up for lawyers and accountants to make money from, I often wonder if this is how they get their own back for being the bullied nerds at school?

Not sure how many accountants are in the political system, would be a lot more economists, would suit any profession where no two people can agree on anything.

 

[threesixpio]

I've already stated many times that their is guilt on the part of some club staff. Who and how much is still to be determined IMO.

Wasn't directed at you

 

[Frank Grimes]

The thought of Hird taking this to the high court is mouth watering...

How deep are Hirds pockets? Just the initial court case and this appeal would have cost a mint.

He probably would go to the High Court if his lawyer just keeps on telling him what he wants to hear (That he is right).

 

[evo]

How deep are Hirds pockets? Just the initial court case and this appeal would have cost a mint.

He probably would go to the High Court if his lawyer just keeps on telling him what he wants to hear (That he is right).

He put a toorak property up for sale a few months back, so one can imagine it may be starting to bite.

As someone else opined, he 's somewhat "pot committed".

 

[gavaniacono]

1 pm lunch? How uncivilised. My vittles consumed I'd be waking from nap by that time.

 

[markm106]

So what is going on here. Hird would have had plenty of legal advice at the early stages and one would assume they would have looked extensively at the relevant act. Either they didn't realise they thought there was an issue with the interview process or they wanted a bit each way in case they didn't receive SC.

 

[D-N-R]

I thought the thrust of Middleton's decision was that Essendon et. al. went along with the joint investigation and after a lot of legal counsel on the matter. So, basically, they gave it legitimacy by freely participating in it.

The stuff about Hird's counsel admitting the AFL would be able to ask questions on behalf of ASADA pretty much nails it. I can't see how they can argue that them both being present at the same time was a key problem, especially since they stated publicly that they were all very keen on the idea.