The Jamarra Thread

[dogwatch]

I'm agnostic on this.

I've heard rumours from other sources, as probably many here have. I'm not prepared to repeat them because they are just that ... rumours. Unsubstantiated.

Who knows what's correct? Some here might. Most don't. It's obviously complex, unusual. Maybe unique. For my part, I'd prefer to hold fire until there are some official announcements but I can understand the angst of fans when it appears very possible we will lose a highly talented young player who we put years into as a teenager and effectively mortgaged our 2020 draft hand for. This coming right on top of the disturbing Bailey Smith saga.

The plain fact is we can't restrain ourselves from speculating, commenting, fulminating. Pointing fingers. There were over 160 posts in the 10 hours between 9:30 and 7:30pm today and I reckon 90% of them were about JUH. One every 3-4 minutes. And that's just in the Trades/List Management thread. There would have been plenty elsewhere I'm sure. And the footy media remains latched on so there's no escaping it.

It's making this board borderline unreadable.

Since we're so obsessed here's an overdue thread to let it all out. And hopefully to allow us some breathing space to discuss other topics in our regular threads.

Fire away. It'd be nice if you could keep all your JUH discussion to this thread.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Round 2 and I’m already bored of the circus and rewording of the same comments by the media. Going to be a long year.

 

[Dry Rot]

I saw JUH with Elon Musk rather than being at the MCG on Friday night.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

I wonder how long this has been brewing. In between some great moments on field there has been plenty of times his body language and lack of attack on footy looked like he was just going through motions and did not want to be out there.

I think the club has known since the start attitude and outside influences were going to be a problem and obviously came to ahead before last years final.

 

[TMoney22]

Why do we keep getting the wrong dixkhead types. More Maynard and Sicily, less JUH and Smith.

But seriously, we've known JUH well before draft night, wonder if there already concerns

 

[Zeno The Great]

Choosing to attend the NRL and NBL and post it on his socials, then to choose not to attend our 100 year celebration, but hang out with your mates drinking at Brighton pub, and post it on your socials, tells me everything we all need to know about the cultural damage this circus is causing to the club. Barring a miraculous turnaround in his life this year, unfortunately we have no choice but to trade him this year.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Choosing to attend the NRL and NBL and post it on his socials, then to choose not to attend our 100 year celebration, but hang out with your mates drinking at Brighton pub, and post it on your socials, tells me everything we all need to know about the cultural damage this circus is causing to the club. Barring a miraculous turnaround in his life this year, unfortunately we have no choice but to trade him this year.

I don’t think he realises how much damage he’s doing to the club and the supporters. It all just seems like a bit of whatever for him.

His use of social media is beyond bad. We’re not idiots, we know players drink and hang out with their mates while they’re off injured (or whatever he is). But why he’s broadcasting it is just beyond belief.

I think he just doesn’t care. He’s told everyone he doesn’t really like footy, clearly he just wants to hang around with his dickhead mates.

 

[bulldogs201616]

Hopefully he can turn it around in the next few months. Id hate to lose another player for peanuts

 

[Freshwater]

Why did the club sign him to such a lucrative contract when surely they knew his character? They could have put in plenty of clauses to make sure if he was acting like a peanut he wouldn’t be paid. The club is not responsible for how he is acting, but is responsible to us the supporters who pay their wages.

 

[TheBont]

it’s disappointing. Where is his brain thinking it would be fine to go to the pub on the 100 years. Just stay home if you don’t want to show up fool!

 

[Foxman98]

Why did the club sign him to such a lucrative contract when surely they knew his character? They could have put in plenty of clauses to make sure if he was acting like a peanut he wouldn’t be paid. The club is not responsible for how he is acting, but is responsible to us the supporters who pay their wages.

They didn’t he signed a 2 year extension,

We don’t pay his wages the afl do who get the majority of that money from TV companies

 

[grassman75]

I saw JUH with Elon Musk rather than being at the MCG on Friday night.

Juh captained the Space x mission to save the astronauts who didn’t really need saving

 

[BEaston]

Why do we keep getting the wrong dixkhead types. More Maynard and Sicily, less JUH and Smith.

But seriously, we've known JUH well before draft night, wonder if there already concerns

I really don't think there were any concerns on JUH and Smith around draft time from any team.

It's more of a case that the fame/money/lifestyle has changed their behaviors IMO.

Having said that, they do still seem like good people, have just lost their way a bit.

 

[seaweed]

I have ****ed up pretty badly at work recently and it was going to cost me my job if I didn’t pull my socks up. Trust is very hard to regain, and it’s a long and difficult road that I’m on now.

Being around my coworkers also gives me anxiety because I know I’ve let them down and I’m embarrassed. The difference is with me is that I’m 39 and I’ve got a lot more life experience than JUH - so I know I have to just get on with it, put my best foot forward and do the work I know I’m capable of. I messed up, that’s on me, and I’m holding myself to account.

IMHO how you respond is the most important part.

It sounds like he also needs to do these things but may not be fully there yet. He may look back on this in ten years and say he wishes he’d done things differently - the only way you get experience is by going through experiences.

I hope for his sake he sorts himself out.

 

[ossie_21]

They didn’t he signed a 2 year extension,

We don’t pay his wages the afl do who get the majority of that money from TV companies

Imagine not knowing how a salary cap works

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

I'd like to see how the forward line functions when Weightman returns, but at this stage I think our forwardline operates better without him there. We targeted Jamarra more than any of our other forwards in 2024, and his goal accuracy wasnt great. His marking was awesome though it must be said, that final not included. There seems to be so much more space for Darcy and Naughton to operate without him there, and not all leading to the same spot. That could be a forwardline coaching failure though.

If he's going to have issues going forward (I wish him all the best) I'd rather move him on at the end of this year.

 

[Golden_6]

I'd like to see how the forward line functions when Weightman returns, but at this stage I think our forwardline operates better without him there. We targeted Jamarra more than any of our other forwards in 2024, and his goal accuracy wasnt great. His marking was awesome though it must be said, that final not included. There seems to be so much more space for Darcy and Naughton to operate without him there, and not all leading to the same spot. That could be a forwardline coaching failure though.

If he's going to have issues going forward (I wish him all the best) I'd rather move him on at the end of this year.

It's a massive massive dilemma the club now faces. Darcy, Naughton & Weightman is more than enough goal scoring and marking power especially when you throw the development of Croft into the mix.

If we had traded him last offseason for 2 first round picks, imagine the position we would be currently in. Plenty of currency to throw at an elite mid target, an extra $800-900k in cap space and no distractions for the club. It would have been a short term shock but very much in favour of the club long term.

Even if Jamarra somehow got back into the senior side, there's a genuine question on whether he actually makes us a better side with all of the other moving parts around him. It's an opportunity cost situation. Every time we target Jamarra is one less time that Darcy, Naughton or Weightman are targeted. There's only so much ball to go around and I see zero benefit in having $3 million+ invested in 3 tall forwards.

 

[lachy]

Imagine not knowing how a salary cap works

What?? Salary Caps are a function of having an equal playing field by allocating the same maximum amount payable in player payments for each team, in our case 100% funded by the $23million we receive in distributions, and in the case of the other 17 teams funded by their distributions from the AFL who derive their funds primarily from TV rights. Underpinned by players being contracted by the AFL and the club in question which is accurately what Foxman98 said

 

[geoffjennings79]

Rodgers and Hammerstein were on to it years ago...

"How do you solve a problem like Jamarra...?" ☹

 

[ossie_21]

What?? Salary Caps are a function of having an equal playing field by allocating the same maximum amount payable in player payments for each team, in our case 100% funded by the $23million we receive in distributions, and in the case of the other 17 teams funded by their distributions from the AFL who derive their funds primarily from TV rights. Underpinned by players being contracted by the AFL and the club in question which is accurately what Foxman98 said

I never said it’s not accurate, but it’s not the point. It’s not like “oh it’s not our money, who cares?”

The club are allocating a decent percentage of the cap to him in comparison to others, so it matters when that happens with players who should be available to play based on what they are able to control

 

[Foxman98]

I never said it’s not accurate, but it’s not the point. It’s not like “oh it’s not our money, who cares?”

The club are allocating a decent percentage of the cap to him in comparison to others, so it matters when that happens with players who should be available to play based on what they are able to control

4% isn’t as much as made out too be

 

[ossie_21]

4% isn’t as much as made out too be

It is if you have a player that doesn’t want to earn it. If that was known to be the case, I’d like to have offered that 4% to someone else like a Butters or anyone else that could be shaken loose…

Ultimately, I’d love for JUH to be back on track and part of the long-term team. But the longer this BS continues, the less likely it will be

 

[Foxman98]

It is if you have a player that doesn’t want to earn it. If that was known to be the case, I’d like to have offered that 4% to someone else like a Butters or anyone else that could be shaken loose…

Ultimately, I’d love for JUH to be back on track and part of the long-term team. But the longer this BS continues, the less likely it will be

What has this got to do with my knowledge on TPP/Salary cap though?

 

[glenashley]

I was happy to trade him before his issues got raised.

You can only have so many tall forwards eating up your cap space. And we got needs at other spots in the ground.

Process of elimination. You're not getting rid of your VC or your unicorn father son so JUH it had to be.

I know we've gone the 'he's not getting traded' line but we know how that works.

Just hope it's a team like Sydney who'll have the Warner picks to trade on. Plus screw Geelong.

 

[Doggy]

I was happy to trade him before his issues got raised.

You can only have so many tall forwards eating up your cap space. And we got needs at other spots in the ground.

Process of elimination. You're not getting rid of your VC or your unicorn father son so JUH it had to be.

I know we've gone the 'he's not getting traded' line but we know how that works.

Just hope it's a team like Sydney who'll have the Warner picks to trade on. Plus screw Geelong.

There's a fair chance Warner stays for 2 years. So we'd get bent over dry from them.

Much rather keep him