Toast The New Carlton Thread: Lukey Sayers adds his utensil to the wooden spoons

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Thanks - but how does their 2nd rounder end up with us? Again - please keep it simple ...

They've traded their 2023 2nd for our 2022 2nd ......................the former is yet to be determined , the latter was Pick 30.

 

[Mollythedolly]

What trade gave us Carlton's second rounder - keep it simple please - I get lost in AFL trade stuff

We swapped 2022 pick 30 for their 2023 2nd rounder. Looking better every week.

Edit: what PWS & KS said.

 

[Harry O]

Dekka is overdue to pick the eyes out of a draft, I say don’t trade their 2nd rounder. Keep it and draft a star then rub their nose in it for the next 10 years

Shallow draft though. Would be happy only using 1 pick (as high as possible) and use rookie promotions for the other 2 mandatory picks

 

[NMBB]

We swapped 2022 pick 30 for their 2023 2nd rounder. Looking better every week.

Edit: what PWS & KS said.

Did we know something they didn't?

 

[KinderSmock]

Thanks - but how does their 2nd rounder end up with us? Again - please keep it simple ...

It was a simple exchange

Collingwood's 2022 2nd rounder for Carlton's 2023 2nd rounder.

 

[KinderSmock]

Did we know something they didn't?

I don't think we needed it. We were always going to get Richard and our information from player agents would have told us that he would still be available later. So it was a wise trade. I suppose we anticipated Carlton finishing

And now, we can look to trade our first and second for a higher selection should we choose.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Did we know something they didn't?

I think we were only planning on using a limited number of picks so moving what was likely a surplus pick into this year was preferred.

 

[MooreTreloar]

At some point, Carlton will make a call on their season. Once finals stop being an objective, the playing group will be instructed to tank to gain a higher draft pick with a youth first policy.

Patrick Cripps entered the league before Mason Cox, Brayden Maynard and Jordan De Goey. While all three are yet to taste the personal success Cripps has enjoyed, they have tasted team victories, which ultimately is more important. If Cripps can't play finals, his legacy, even as a Brownlow Medallist, will be lesser. Buckley won a Brownlow and in lieu of a premiership, his career is seen as almost but not quite there.

The 2021 Collingwood season was in every way as disastrous as this season for Carlton. In fact, more so due to the issues with racism. However, the club had the sense to bring about drastic, sweeping change and subsequently improve the future. With Fly and Daicos, a new era began and the club has not looked back. Fly was chosen for Collingwood's group as he is an educator, a quiet leader and a personality that read the room of change. He really does not compare to the big characters who have coached Collingwood in the past. Not many of us on here would have recollections of the great Jock McHale, but Fly seems to carry his humility. You don't see Fly bragging. Unlike at Carlton where the players look burdened, the Pies side is free. Did the loss for Brisbane derail the season? No. The players talk about this attitude to focus on the good, reflect on the bad and laugh through the pain. And better yet, off-field, the club is now very inclusive and family/life comes before football. That is not to say players can waltz in and have no responsibility, but the club now sees the bigger picture and it enables the playing corps to perform. The negative rumours emerging from Collingwood have faded considerably and it is not because the journalists have changed.

Would a man like Fly work at a club such as Carlton? It depends. The dysfunctional board room filled with Melbourne's elite would drive anyone up the walls and Fly does not strike me as particularly elitist. But if the club was prepared to change and listen, then they would benefit from his methodology. Ultimately, Carlton is lost and in sacking Voss, they will simply repeat history and some simple facts below highlight this.

Since 2003:

Pagan: Sacked a year early after no real improvement was made.
Ratten: Sacked a year early after a loss to Gold Coast in the SUNS' debut season.
Malthouse: Sacked after he criticised the club's administrators on radio.
Barker: Served out his tenure as interim, remained an assistant.
Bolten: Sacked after winning just 16 out of 77 matches.
Teague: Sacked after the 2021 season.
Voss: Currently coaching.

71% of coaches have been sacked since 2003 for a total of four wooden spoons. It would seem that irrespective of coach, the problems are somewhere else.

I still believe they only sacked Ratten to to try and stick it up us by getting Malthouse. If Malthouse wasn’t available I think Ratten coaches Carlton in 2013.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Another thing for the Blues to hang their hat on..happy days

 

[Pistol Night]

Another thing for the Blues to hang their hat on..happy days

Yeah but remember they'll be a much better side when Walsh is back. Oh wait..

 

[76woodenspooners]

Did we know something they didn't?

Yes.

We knew that they’ll be shithouse. They didn’t. They’re realising now what we clearly knew all along

 

[NMBB]

Yes.

We knew that they’ll be shithouse. They didn’t. They’re realising now what we clearly knew all along

I'm glad we didn't tell them at the time

 

[Fat Jesus]

Yeah but remember they'll be a much better side when Walsh is back. Oh wait..

Pretty sure Carlton were in first position after the first round or two earlier this year.
Someone here must remember?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Did we know something they didn't?

In all seriousness, what probably happened is that player(s) we’d earmarked to pick up around that range had gone - so we elected to get something for it rather than overpay for a player (Richards) who could be obtained with a later pick

 

[76woodenspooners]

I'm glad we didn't tell them at the time

Pretty amazing that we were able to keep it under wraps given that everybody from Dekka to the 90,000 Collingwood members were in the tent on it.

 

[NMBB]

Pretty amazing that we were able to keep it under wraps given that everybody from Dekka to the 90,000 Collingwood members were in the tent on it.

Hard to see out of a tent lined with large brown paper bags

 

[35Daicos]

Pretty sure Carlton were in first position after the first round or two earlier this year.
Someone here must remember?

Carlton drew their rd. 1 game this year, then won the next three. They were in second spot after rd. 4, so didn't quite reach the top, and have slid ever since!: AFL Tables - 2023 Season Scores

 

[KrispyKremePie]

Pretty sure Carlton were in first position after the first round or two earlier this year.
Someone here must remember?

Their first game this year was a draw. So technically they were equal first at the beginning of that round, but not by the end of it.

 

[jmac70]

Carlton drew their rd. 1 game this year, then won the next three. They were in second spot after rd. 4, so didn't quite reach the top, and have slid ever since!: AFL Tables - 2023 Season Scores

That’s a really fun slide.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Pretty sure Carlton were in first position after the first round or two earlier this year.
Someone here must remember?

They drew with Richmond in the first game of the year

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Carlton aren't bad at everything this year..

 

[Pistol Night]

Carlton aren't bad at everything this year..

Any wonder when we only had to fart within 100m of Curnow and he got a free

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Any wonder when we only had to fart within 100m of Curnow and he got a free

And how many goals has he got so far? 38

 

[LuckyLee]

I sense a real state of panic starting to take hold there as the reality of their shitfullness starts to sink in.

Good work by the way arguing over there that Voss needs a 3 year extension, most humorous.

Haha, yes, it was fun stirring the pot over there, dressed up as genuine concern for their well-being.

A like to you too for the excellent use of “shitfulness” in describing their plight. The perfect choice!


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[KinderSmock]

I still believe they only sacked Ratten to to try and stick it up us by getting Malthouse. If Malthouse wasn’t available I think Ratten coaches Carlton in 2013.

The succession could well be a 3D chess move where we give up winning the flag in 2012 and in turn go on to win several in the 2020s under Fly while condemning Carlton to years of losses off- and on-field.