Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[Bojan KantKick]

No.

This is straight up wrong.

In fact, it's the opposite of what the truth is.

NATO has refuted this multiple times, because it's a common part of Russian propaganda they use to try and justify their invasion of Ukraine.

Here are some links for you, all recent;

Fact Check: NATO troops are not in Ukraine to operate US missiles.

NATO: Debunking Russian disinformation on NATO

NATO: 'Why isn't NATO sending troops to Ukraine?'

Fact Check: NATO has troops deployed to Ukraine

Let's be clear.



Er... I've been following the war pretty closely and I never saw anything about this. So I just tried to search for any reports that verify this and couldn't find any. The closest I got, especially with your timeframe, is Russia bombing a Children's Cancer Hospital in Kyiv back in July. Nothing to do with NATO though.

So... does this change your opinion at all?

Both John Kirby and the Pentagon have confirmed in the last 24 months that there are US military personnel in Ukraine.

Brits, Americans and Swedes were killed in Poltava in September. The Swedish foreign minister quit a few days later.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

They are invisible super soldiers it would appear

 

[Val Keating]

Accurate.


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You know that Putin can’t do that yeah? He’d literally be signing his own death warrant.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

No I won’t give it a rest, denying that the sitting president of America doesn’t have the mental capacity to be president shows that you’re either extremely naive, or worse you know it’s true but will fall in line with the US government assertion that he’s still capable of being president and making decisions that effect the whole world.

You see I can’t just give that a rest, because it is a window into how you think, if you’re willing to look at things objectively or if you just mindlessly follow whatever team Democrat put out.

The neo cons are making it as hard as possible for Trump. Biden doesn't have a mandate. He's a lame duck and senile.

 

[Val Keating]

The neo cons are making it as hard as possible for Trump. Biden doesn't have a mandate. He's a lame duck and senile.

You’re more optimistic than me, I think the Trump administration will keep feeding the military industrial complex in some way, but will abandon Ukraine.

 

[Chadwiko]

You know that Putin can’t do that yeah? He’d literally be signing his own death warrant.

Then he shouldn't have started the war.

 

[Chadwiko]

No I won’t give it a rest, denying that the sitting president of America doesn’t have the mental capacity to be president shows that you’re either extremely naive, or worse you know it’s true but will fall in line with the US government assertion that he’s still capable of being president and making decisions that effect the whole world.

Biden's mental acuity right now >>> Trump's.

If you can't admit that then you’re either extremely naive, or worse you know it’s true but will fall in line with the MAGA assertions that he’s still capable of being president and making decisions that effect the whole world.

 

[Val Keating]

Then he shouldn't have started the war.

That’s irrelevant, the war was started and Putin can’t afford to lose.

 

[Val Keating]

Biden's mental acuity right now >>> Trump's.

If you can't admit that then you’re either extremely naive, or worse you know it’s true but will fall in line with the MAGA assertions that he’s still capable of being president and making decisions that effect the whole world.

You really believe that? I’ve watched Trump do multiple podcasts that are hours long and he seemed fine.

 

[Chadwiko]

Serious question, if Zelensky ran in 2019 on a platform of stopping the war, how could Putin have started it?

Well you see back in 2014 there was this little incident down in Crimea, and then in Donbas there were Russian soldiers forcing out Ukranian citizens. And then in 2019 Zelenskyy even agreed to let the region hold free elections if Russia agreed to remove their troops. But guess what? Russia didn't leave.

So... Yeah. Here we are.

 

[Chadwiko]

You really believe that? I’ve watched Trump do multiple podcasts that are hours long and he seemed fine.

Then you weren't watching closely enough.

Or are you one of those suckers who believes Trump when he tries to claim his inability to finish a call herent thought is AKSHUALLY a sign of genius and he calls it the "weave"?

 

[Dan]

You really believe that? I’ve watched Trump do multiple podcasts that are hours long and he seemed fine.

Imagine Mr ‘Sharp as a tack’ doing a 3 hour podcast.

He’d nod off and would need an incontinence pad change.

 

[Chadwiko]

Anything else happen in 2014 that led up to the "little green men" going into Crimea?

Nothing that justified the annexation of territory.

Putin's puppet in Ukraine got deposed.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

You know that Putin can’t do that yeah? He’d literally be signing his own death warrant.

What Chad and others haven't realised is that Putin has already won.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Brilliant

 

[Chadwiko]

Pretty odd that NATO, the US and UK would congratulate Putin's puppet on winning a free and fair election election only four years before no?

It's actually quite fascinating how many countries thst are now supplying weapons to be used against Russia welcomed Putin's puppet to power.

Something must have changed hey.

Hey and to play your game of "yeah but what happened...", tell me; what happened to cause Zelenskyy to absolutely dominate the 2019 Presidential election, riding a wave of anti-Russian/pro-EU sentiment, and receiving 75~% of the entire vote in a democratic election?

Hmmm?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[Val Keating]

Surely the truth of weather or not there are North Korean soldiers fighting for Russia can’t be difficult, the entire conflict is basically being live streamed

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Surely the truth of weather or not there are North Korean soldiers fighting for Russia can’t be difficult, the entire conflict is basically being live streamed

Would have thought there would be plenty of evidence if they were on the front lines in Ukraine. They'd need some proper training which I understand is likely happening in Russia.

 

[ferball]

Pretty odd that NATO, the US and UK would congratulate Putin's puppet on winning a free and fair election election only four years before no?

It's actually quite fascinating how many countries thst are now supplying weapons to be used against Russia welcomed Putin's puppet to power.

Something must have changed hey.

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They wanted Tymoshenko out cos in 2009 she did a deal with Putin to sell Russian gas to Europe in a way that benefited Ukraine hugely and brought both countries closer to Europe economically. Part of the deal was to end both Victor Y's (ie both the US backed and Russian backed guys) connections to Ukraine's state run gas companies while allowing Ukraine to buy Russia's gas cheaply and sell it to Europe at a profit.

Both Vickor Y's also had US actor's working with them. Yanukovych had Paul Manafort who has a history of involvement in sketchy US geopolitical shenanigans, and Yanukovych's campaign credits Manafort with helping him defeat Tymochenko in 2010. But as of 2024 Russia was selling FA gas to Europe and the US was keeping its formerly failing fracking industry alive by making up the shortfall (at inflated prices.)

It seems the only people who have benefited from this situation were the US gas businesses that were failing because fracking is a rort.

 

[Val Keating]

I know the guys a tosser, but he might have a point here. Reminds me of when the Admirals wanted to use their out dated ships in WW1 that ended in disaster.

AI controlled jets win 100% of the time now when up against a human in dog fight simulations.

 

[Val Keating]

The Russians are already using drones that literally trail a long fibre optic wire to prevent EW jamming - that's the issue with drones, they can be easily jammed.

The real takeaway from the Ukraine War is hypersonic missiles are the future.

And the end…

 

[DesertRoo]

I know the guys a tosser, but he might have a point here. Reminds me of when the Admirals wanted to use their out dated ships in WW1 that ended in disaster.

AI controlled jets win 100% of the time now when up against a human in dog fight simulations.

the other issue that was it took something like 5 years to train a fighter pilot from when a cadet signed up @ the cost of something like 6 mil, you can do the math to figure out how quickly you can put the ai driven things up there.
its a zero sum game with one team chances of winning exponentially rising with each passing day.

 

[Val Keating]

the other issue that was it took something like 5 years to train a fighter pilot from when a cadet signed up @ the cost of something like 6 mil, you can do the math to figure out how quickly you can put the ai driven things up there.
its a zero sum game with one team chances of winning exponentially rising with each passing day.

It’s ****ing nuts. I was listening to a fighter pilot talking about it. The main
reason is the split second difference it takes them to think about what they’re going to do and then doing the manoeuvre. The AI system already knows and is programmed with every single manoeuvre ever recorded.

He said that it literally wins 100% of the time now, no one has been able to beat it.