Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[Chadwiko]

People shouldn’t go fight in wars to support the rich and powerful, instead we should fight for the struggle at home.

Tell this to the Russian soldiers currently in Ukraine.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

How so? They look set to finally get rid of the Tories.

That is a good thing.

They are as bad as each other. Both need to be burned to the ground and started again. Starmer is a difficult read. He ran the Haldane society (not sure you will be a fan of them). Listening to him talk, he doesn't seem to stand for anything and is like a leaf in the wind. I don't trust people like that.

 

[Chadwiko]

They are as bad as each other. Both need to be burned to the ground and started again. Starmer is a difficult read. He ran the Haldane society (not sure you will be a fan of them). Listening to him talk, he doesn't seem to stand for anything and is like a leaf in the wind. I don't trust people like that.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Less outright conservatives in office = happy days.

Admittedly wasn't familiar with 'Haldane Society' prior to your post so just gave it a quick google. Socialist Lawyers? What's not to like!

 

[ferball]

So if I was Robert Fisk I'd probably respond like this:

So just to recap.

• There's no Western lefty kids - they don't exist

Not that I know of. Lots of decent centrists. No one agitating for proper wages or the ownership of our own resources during a cost of living crisis where wages haven't changed in decades while productivity has climbed thru the roof. No one fighting the class war.

• Any real Western leftys love China and Russia

I wasn't talking about Western Leftys. This is an argument in bad faith.

• Conspiracy theories are cool and you are "blind" if you think otherwise

Yeah they're cool. How do you feel about the conspiracy between the Koch brothers and other memebers of "Americans for Prosperity" to astro turf a movement out of the Tea Baggers in 2010 and use that to gain control of the House in the midterm elections so they could deny Obama's admin the funds to govern. Mother Jones won an award for exposing that.

• Using reaction GIFs is racist

Only when you do it.

• There is no culture war, only a class war

There is no war but class war.

• Every political issue has been promoted by elites to prevent a class war

Yeah I said those words.

• No one cares about Black Lives Matter, because companies like Coca-Cola are killing people

No one in the developing world does. Pretending a union leaders at a coke bottling plant in Columbia weren't killed is another example of your lack of good faith. BLM is irrelevant to people outside the US or Western nations.

• The New World Order is real

Don't make me post another song.

• The 9/11 Commission only happened because of conspiracies

It only happened because four widows of 9/11 victims agitated for it. There wasn't gonna be one until they spoke up. Your favorite sauce, wikipedia, confirms this. But you'll do your thing anyway. You're allergic to reality.

• Rappers who go on InfoWars with Alex Jones are good sources of information

Immortal Technique is. Dunno about other rappers.

• Russia was justified to invade Ukraine

From their pov they were. The US knew this and pushed it to happen for years leading up to it. They hoped it would have a similar effect to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Obviously they didn't give a shit about the consequences for ordinary Ukrainians.

• Nobody cares about gun control

Nobody outside the US does. They might have an opinion on what happens there but it doesn't really matter to them.

• Saying American culture dominates the world is a white supremacist take, or something

Did I miss anything?

As usual you missed everything.

 

[ferball]

 

[Chadwiko]

Cool. Glad we got all that on the record.

While we're on these subjects... where do you stand on Aliens?

Just for the record.

 

[DesertRoo]

Tell this to the Russian soldiers currently in Ukraine.

Lol at you deliberately editing out,
There ain’t no war but the class war baby…

Think long and hard about it

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Less outright conservatives in office = happy days.

Admittedly wasn't familiar with 'Haldane Society' prior to your post so just gave it a quick google. Socialist Lawyers? What's not to like!

Not the biggest fans of Israel...they were also/still are fairly pro soviet / communism.

They do a lot of good but are considered (rightly or wrongly) as fairly extreme.

Most conservatives left the party in the early 2000's. IDS was the last truly conservative leader. They have been frauds ever since, none moreso than Cameron and Johnson. Liz Truss was a Liberal Democrat although she talked a good game, just a game not liked by the modern elite. None of these people have done what the voters that put them into power wanted either. They are scum. So the party is currently made up of the extremists and the power grabbers....kind of like the Labour Party.

 

[Chadwiko]

Not the biggest fans of Israel...they were also/still are fairly pro soviet / communism.

Ehhh, old boomer European socialists often are.

They do a lot of good but are considered (rightly or wrongly) as fairly extreme.

Thanks for the info - as I said I wasn't familiar with them.

 

[ferball]

Cool. Glad we got all that on the record.

While we're on these subjects... where do you stand on Aliens?

Just for the record.

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If you stand on their hand then you can pin them man and smash them from Preston to Epworth.

 

[RightWingRoo]

Must admit I've had the popcorn out watching you guys eat each other haha. The establishment classical liberal left of Chadwicko vs the anti-establishmemt anti-inperialist hard left of Ferball and Warlord.

Keir Starmer had his victory speech written 6 months ago. Main interest for mine is who'll be the main opposition party.
Can the Tories stay ahead of the Lib Dems, or does Reform come with a massive late surge. First past the post makes things interesting, might only need 25% in some seats to win.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

2024 General Election survey - Vote for Policies

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voteforpolicies.org.uk

This is interesting. You can pick what policies you like at random without knowing what party policy you are selecting and at the end it tells you who you should vote for in a policy pie chart so to speak.

This is the most interesting part though...


Just shows that people are sheep.

 

[The Warlord]

Literally no one said that.

So I guess we're going back to this;

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But such is the level of corruption, illegaility, immorality, and just plain incompetence that the new MAGA cookers display that Trump actually makes Bush look far less-shit in comparison.

This is what you said, own it and stop trying to ruin the thread.

 

[The Warlord]

lol nice bait.

There IS a huge cohort of people internationally who have fully embraced US sports, I'm often stunned by my otherwise disinterested friends knwle3dge of US geography and the college system

 

[The Warlord]

You are a piece of work aren't you.

He's just trolling endlessly to get the thread shut permanently and win some internet war that exists only in his head because he thinks he's in a big feud with us, ands especially me after I called out his shitty behaviour scabbing on the club by calling a journo to shitcan us.

Just treat it as amusing crap to be made fun off like you would a nuffy oppo supporter on footy.

 

[The Warlord]

So the UK Tories and the Labour party are the same?

I'll add that to the list.

As am I generous spirit and each morning harkens a new day, which may be one where you learn to have a good healthy discussion, I'll reply in good faith

Right now Labour are the party of stability that's gone out of its way to suck up to business.

The Tories a deeply unstable radical party whos ex leader Boris Johnson famously said "**** business".

Labour also led by a super establishment figure in the former chief Crown Prosecutor.

Labour and the Tories are not the same, but Starmer's Labour is very much an establishment don't rock the boat centrist party

 

[The Warlord]

UK general election results live: Exit poll predicts Labour to win general election landslide

Keir Starmer is on course to be new UK prime minister with predicted Labour majority of 170, according to the exit poll for the BBC, ITV, and Sky.

www.bbc.com

170 seat majority for Labour predicted by the exit poll.

Not as bad a Tory wipeout as they initially feared.

 

[The Warlord]

I have to say I adore having the voice of contemporary yoof on the thread though.

 

[The Warlord]

Russia is systematically breaking Ukraine's long heltld deeply fortified Donbass defence lines.

Once the last of the fortress town like Chasov Yar and around Toretsk are gone, and with no new US aid coming, it's gets rapidly very different

 

[Chadwiko]

Just shows that people are sheep.

How so?

 

[Chadwiko]

But such is the level of corruption, illegaility, immorality, and just plain incompetence that the new MAGA cookers display that Trump actually makes Bush look far less-shit in comparison.

This is what you said, own it and stop trying to ruin the thread.

"In comparison".

It's right there, mate. The two words that define the entire point of the sentence. You bolded the wrong bit. Convenient!

 

[Chadwiko]

There IS a huge cohort of people internationally who have fully embraced US sports, I'm often stunned by my otherwise disinterested friends knwle3dge of US geography and the college system

Yes, sport fans enjoy sport. A country that speaks our language and dominates our culture also plays sport and some of the people here that like sport will inevitably start liking the sport that they play there, too.

 

[Chadwiko]

He's just trolling endlessly to get the thread shut permanently and win some internet war that exists only in his head because he thinks he's in a big feud with us, ands especially me after I called out his shitty behaviour scabbing on the club by calling a journo to shitcan us.

LOL

Here's a few points in rebuttal;

• I've only posted on-topic posts that are specific to issues. Since the thread re-opened, you (and your mates) have made multiple posts that target me specifically and have nothing to do with issues. You play the man, not the ball. So explain how I'm the one "trolling endlessly"?
• I'm not the one who invents arguments in my head, mate.
• I never contacted a journalist to attack the club. I've explained this to you multiple times. The fact you keep trying to suggest it when you know it's not true just shows that you don't argue in good faith, and instead resort to lying to try and win this made-up argument you think you're in. Sad, really.

 

[Chadwiko]

Hahahaha the absolute bald-faced lies that come out of his mouth are astounding.

No wonder he and Trump are such close pals. They operate in the exact same way. Just make up random shit and expect people to believe it despite it being easily and readily disproven.


As one comment said;

"First it was a simple mishap that they were pushed away, then it was a tactical withdrawal, and now it was the good will of the Tzar..."

 

[DesertRoo]

In 2019 Trump named Biden sleepy joe, people in Australia lost their collective minds, it couldn’t be true..
Joe, I can't be up past 8pm...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html