Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[ferball]

Just today, we've seen Russian propaganda talking about how they delay second/third drone strikes on targets to allow time for Ukrainian paramedics and firefighters to arrive, then that's when they conduct their follow up strikes.




It's abhorrent and I'm absolutely not excusing any side that acts in such a way, but the sad reality is basically every 'side' in any conflict ever has utilised similar tactics.

Targeting non combatants is ****ed, and probably fits in the definition of terrorism. So every major power involved in a conflict this (or any other) century is guilty of it.

 

[Chadwiko]

I’d be surprised if Biden is talking to anyone in earnest anymore. It would be Harris.

I know you don't like Biden, but you've really been suckered into believing Trump's lies about his mental state.

He's old, sure. But he's still switched on. He's not some vegetable incapable of thinking or speaking.

Hell, he still sounds better than Trump. Here's Biden a couple of weeks back addressing the UN about Israel/Palestine and tell me this sounds like a dotty old man;



Compare that to Trump today who spent a bunch of his speech at his rally talking about Arnold Palmer's dick. And no, I'm not kidding;

 

[Sphynx]

Only one of them has been.

Correct. That should change.

 

[Chadwiko]

Targeting non combatants is ****ed, and probably fits in the definition of terrorism. So every major power involved in a conflict this (or any other) century is guilty of it.

On this, we are generally agreed.

Although 'war crimes' are probably a more apt term for a major power targeting non-combatants.

 

[Chadwiko]

Please please please someone tell me again how Trump and Kamala/Biden are basically the same;

 

[Val Keating]

I know you don't like Biden, but you've really been suckered into believing Trump's lies about his mental state.

He's old, sure. But he's still switched on. He's not some vegetable incapable of thinking or speaking.

Hell, he still sounds better than Trump. Here's Biden a couple of weeks back addressing the UN about Israel/Palestine and tell me this sounds like a dotty old man;



Compare that to Trump today who spent a bunch of his speech at his rally talking about Arnold Palmer's dick. And no, I'm not kidding;

It has nothing to do with Trump.

Ffs he’s been forced to step down because his brain isn’t working properly.

 

[ferball]

Classic strawman.

Sovcits =/= hippies, by the way.

Lots of hippies are sovcits in Northern NSW.

Sovcits =/= Jesus Freaks btw... oh wait a minute if it suits your argument they do. In the new testament when Jesus is tempted by Satan one of the things Satan offers him is control of all the governments on earth if Jesus worships Satan. Another time Jesus refers to him as the prince or the king of the world. So the logical extension of any form of extreme Christianity is that all governments are corrupt and owned by the devil himself.

Furthermore the books of the magic mushroom revelations describes a time where the entire world is under one government/economic system and everyone trades using a unique personal identifier (called the mark of the beat) which, more than any other time in history describes almost where we are now. Its no surprise that some Christians deal with their future shock by turning violent while others (most sovcit types) do it by simply withdrawing and wanting to be left alone.

 

[Chadwiko]

It has nothing to do with Trump.

Ffs he’s been forced to step down because his brain isn’t working properly.

No, dude. He hasn't.

He's still the President.

 

[Val Keating]

No, dude. He hasn't.

He's still the President.

Youre either naive or worse, you know that’s not true.

 

[ferball]

Unfortunately probably the only real secular state in the Middle East is the one Israel is intent on bombing the shit out of and invading.

This also depends on your position of whether non-secular states are right or wrong and your position on freedom and right to self governance.

They aren’t really a possibility in the region for the most part because of Sharia law.

Most of what you have described regarding Israel would be true of Palestine if you turned the tables on the occupation. Dhimmi’s (non muslims) have most of the restrictions on them you have described under Sharia law. Second class citizens, different tax structures, no right of true ownership, no right to a defence against a Muslim if non-Muslim under classical Sharia law etc etc

At the time of the Peace Accords in the early 90s the PLO was a secular, left leaning organisation. This is from the PLOs 1968 charter:

Article 6:​

The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.

Article 16:​

The liberation of Palestine, from a spiritual point of view, will provide the Holy Land with an atmosphere of safety and tranquility, which in turn will safeguard the country's religious sanctuaries and guarantee freedom of worship and of visit to all, without discrimination of race, color, language, or religion. Accordingly, the people of Palestine look to all spiritual forces in the world for support.

Unlike the fundy organisations that formed after the first invasions of Lebanon the PLO was not opposed to Jewish people or overtly religious. It wasn't until 1999 when those fundy groups had risen to prominence (off what appears to be the back of Israeli support, especially from the far right) that the PLO acknowledged Islam in its constitution.

 

[ferball]

On this, we are generally agreed.

Although 'war crimes' are probably a more apt term for a major power targeting non-combatants.

The only difference between terrorism and war crimes is the so called legitimacy of the state committing the terrorism. And that comes from other states recognising that legitimacy.

 

[Chadwiko]

Youre either naive or worse, you know that’s not true.

... Do you genuinely think Biden isn't the President anymore??

 

[Chadwiko]

The only difference between terrorism and war crimes is the so called legitimacy of the state committing the terrorism. And that comes from other states recognising that legitimacy.

Nah. That's not the only difference.

E.g there's a big difference between an airstrike that hits both civilians and combatants, and the deliberate murder or civilians.

 

[Val Keating]

... Do you genuinely think Biden isn't the President anymore??

In name only.

 

[Val Keating]

China invading Taiwan might just be the last domino to trigger WW3. Xi has told his troops to prepare for war.

Xi Jinping Asks Troops To Prepare For War As Battle Drills Intensify Around Taiwan

Chinese President Xi Jinping called this week for troops to strengthen their preparedness for war, state media reported today, just days after Beijing staged large-scale military drills around Taiwan.

www.ndtv.com

 

[giantroo]

 

[Chadwiko]

In name only.

Mate. C'mon.

 

[Chadwiko]

Trump is far, far more mentally deteriorated than Biden.

 

[ferball]

Nah. That's not the only difference.

E.g there's a big difference between an airstrike that hits both civilians and combatants, and the deliberate murder or civilians.

You said "targeting non-combatants" (your exact words) and now you claim to be talking about an attack that targets a military and kills civilians as a consequence. Lets leave aside the number of civilians its permissable to kill when targeting combatants (say by dropping a bomb on a block of flats to kill one person,) and simply focus on why you changed the goal posts mid conversation.

Why did you do that? Its completely unreasonable and its why I think you don't argue in good faith.

There is no difference between state or non-state actors deliberately targeting civilians and whatever language you think is apt to describe it, in both cases it is terrorism.

 

[travelli]

China invading Taiwan might just be the last domino to trigger WW3. Xi has told his troops to prepare for war.

Xi Jinping Asks Troops To Prepare For War As Battle Drills Intensify Around Taiwan

Chinese President Xi Jinping called this week for troops to strengthen their preparedness for war, state media reported today, just days after Beijing staged large-scale military drills around Taiwan.

www.ndtv.com

Imagine if iran and egypt took their shot at israel, china commenced operations at taiwan and russia made a big push into ukraine all at the same time.

Could happen so easily

 

[Val Keating]

Trump is far, far more mentally deteriorated than Biden.

Trump has been doing the podcast rounds, long form unscripted podcasts, do you think Biden is capable of speaking unscripted for 3 hours? Answering questions he doesn’t know are coming? Biden looses track reading a teller prompter.

 

[Val Keating]

Imagine if iran and egypt took their shot at israel, china commenced operations at taiwan and russia made a big push into ukraine all at the same time.

Could happen so easily

Yeah scary times.

 

[Chadwiko]

Trump has been doing the podcast rounds, long form unscripted podcasts

Yes and he has been an absolute embarrassment. He literally had the entire crowd laugh at him this week because of how incoherent he was.

Like... dude?

do you think Biden is capable of speaking unscripted for 3 hours? Answering questions he doesn’t know are coming? Biden looses track reading a teller prompter.

Okay mate.

 

[giantroo]

Australia to review all 66 military export permits to Israel approved before Gaza conflict

Department of Defence considering international commitments on exports amid ongoing war in Middle East

www.theguardian.com

 

[ferball]

Imagine if iran and egypt took their shot at israel, china commenced operations at taiwan and russia made a big push into ukraine all at the same time.

Could happen so easily

The nearest part of Taiwan to China is about 2km away. There's a group of islands called Kinmen and the closest point to the Chinese mainland is one one of them. China could take those islands in five minutes and officially the US would have to respond but you can bet it wouldn't.

Kinmen Islands · Kinmen County, Taiwan

âââââ · Archipelago

www.google.com