Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

[TheHound]

Some of our disposal off transition really hurt us, multiple times we were out but the kick/handball was just not good enough.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Our field kicking and forward set up in the last 15 minutes was horrible. We were dominating and just constantly bombing it forward.

Vandermeer was our deepest forward at one point. With the game on the line, just leave one of Naughton and JUH inside 50.

There were 3 occasions with about 10 minutes on the clock in the last when we just blindly bombed it out of defence only for it to go straight to an unguarded Geelong player in the middle of the ground. For me this is where we showed a lack of real composure and was where the game ultimately was lost.

 

[Proffessor]

Because a proper high framerate camera in slow motion likely shows he actually controls the mark behind the line despite his hands initially making contact in front of it.

Due to the AFL's lack of spending in the area, we are left with a recycled broadcast feed slowed down, which gives us two frames in slow motion. That is not a good enough review system to overturn an on-field decision in that situation.

To clarify, his hands touched the ball whilst the edge of the ball was just touching the very back edge of the line, not exactly in front of it.

Should have been umpires call, a behind.

 

[Libba39]

It took until the 70th post of the thread for someone to nail it. Stanley was just about the most influential player on the ground.

English is holding out for a contract that will be a few hundred thousand dollars per season more than Libba. Let that sink in for a bit.

As usual the rot starts in the ruck. English is great around the ground but gets out-muscled and out-tapped again and again and lacks aggression.

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[Rocketsurgery]

Got within 4 points of a side who is just objectively better than us. Pretty good effort. If the Cats weren't coming off a 5 day break I doubt we get that close. Unfortunately the heroics from 2 individuals can't overcome the massive gap in system between the two sides. Geelong didn't have to exert as much effort as we did and still came out on top.

Looking at the player stats, Geelong cruised through that game and still won. Pretty remarkable effort by them off such a short break. A real kick in the guts for us seemingly as we gave it everything and came up short.

Just have to see the positives in performances from so many players like Gallagher, West, Darcy, Sanders, Kamis, Richards.

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[Snarls Barkley]

We were on top for most of the game against a team that is now 4-0. If a dodgy review decision doesn’t go against us we win.

That was a good performance from us, Geelong have often showed how they’re much better than us, tonight was a lot closer and much more hard fought.

Should be able to take positives out of the performance even if the result wasn’t there.

I’m not sure we can say we were on top for most of that game. We lead for 5 minutes or something and they lead for 115 minutes. Probably half of that time they were up by 15 points or more.

 

[Lex22]

Stengle review was the correct decision. Why are people complaining about it?

It’s a 50/50 call on what we saw on the review. Like he may have controlled it before the line, but it felt as though there was a frame missing to really know and he’s arguably only controlled that fully after the line.

You have to trust the umpires original call with those ones and it’s what annoys me with this stuff for both footy and cricket, i.e. the technology should be used to eradicate the howlers/correct the obvious, not for another set of eyes to go over it and try find something that might be there.

 

[jdz101]

To clarify, his hands touched the ball whilst the edge of the ball was just touching the very back edge of the line, not exactly in front of it.

Should have been umpires call, a behind.

Yes there was no substantial video evidence to overturn.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I can’t imagine I will ever respect a Dogs player more than Tom. Just beyond words.

35 disposals
28 contested
19 clearances
9 tackles

He is without doubt the most underrated player in the game.

How he has never been an AA exposes how compromised the whole selection process is.

 

[MaxiBont]

Sam Darcy looks like he’ll be a real player.

Hoping to see him put together a run of games.

 

[TiAn_]

It took until the 70th post of the thread for someone to nail it. Stanley was just about the most influential player on the ground.

English is holding out for a contract that will be a few hundred thousand dollars per season more than Libba. Let that sink in for a bit.

The regularity with which English gives up a monster night to an opponent is disgusting. Stanley only one hitout short of his career high tonight. And that career high was 6 years ago against a Port side rucking barely part-timers in Justin Westhoff and Dougal Howard.

Opposing ruckmen lick their lips and loosen their belts when they see English opposite them.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Isn’t that just more reason to be satisfied with only a 4 point loss, instead of another 8 goal flogging like Melbourne delivers every year?

They've owned us for all of my life.
Unlike every other club, we've never got on top of them for any sustained period. They beat us with shots after the siren (Brownless, Rohan...), dodgy decisions (Stengle this time), flukey goals (Dempsey tonight - he got one that even Bont couldn't match!).
Ted Whitten played for 20 years and never won at Geelong.

After all these years, losing to Geelong has that here-we-go-again feeling.

Anyone remember the non free to Johnno against Max Rooke in 2008 (I think)?
Put us out of the finals.

Our winning record against them is about 20%.

I will never be satisfied with a narrow loss to Geelong.
It's happened too often, in too many bizarre ways, to ever cop it sweet.

Losing to Geelong has the inevitability of the Law of Gravity about it.

It's just a fact.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

I’m not sure we can say we were on top for most of that game. We lead for 5 minutes or something and they lead for 115 minutes. Probably half of that time they were up by 15 points or more.

Teams can be on top in games and still be behind on the score board.

Tonight was probably 50/50 with the Cats making the most of their opportunities.

 

[MaxiBont]

I’m not sure we can say we were on top for most of that game. We lead for 5 minutes or something and they lead for 115 minutes. Probably half of that time they were up by 15 points or more.

Good point, probably a bit of hyperbole. Although, I really thought we had a good performance let down by a lack of execution.

 

[Citydog]

Stengle review was the correct decision. Why are people complaining about it?

Think you're on your own there....

 

[Proffessor]

Losing such a game always hurts but we need to maintain perspective.

That was a very tough game against a quality side that played well and got more than their share of lucky breaks during the game.

We missed a bunch of shots on goal. Marra the worst offender missing multiple gettable opportunities, but he was not on his own. VDM's was also a very painful miss.

We still have a bunch of players that aren't going that well, but are building, so the future looks OK.

Let's hope the boys react in the right way and can build on a very good performance. Hopefully they become determined to not lose like that again.

I'd argue that was the best game of the season so far. I think it is also arguable that we were slightly the better side in general play, even though we couldn't quite show it on the scoreboard.

Certainly plenty of positives to take from the game.

 

[lachy]

A lot of football supporters will say all they ask from their team is to have a crack. This board and reality shows they are either liars or very naive.

We all want to win games that we should and this was one of them.

No one thing cost us. The contentious goal review, easy missed chances can be blamed.

The fact that the Cats play a system that often has them deep into September that always stacks up well against us. Btw this is coaching, but not match day coaching but proper preparation coaching. Can't stand Chris Scott

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but other than 2011 Geelongs personel is not that good.

It is clear why Daniels position was under pressure, it should be, only McNeil was not the answer. As should be absolutely Dale's, JJ's, amd Williams position.

Macrae is there about but Garcia has as good of form in the VFL.

It is not a question of Lobb v Darcy, however it is a question of Lobb v English. On form Lobb should be in next week for English.

We are currently a 6 to 10 team. We do need to risk changing it up to move to be challenging for top 4 this season. Don't think we will but we should at least try

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[Pocket Terrace]

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equal career high hit outs tonight against our million dollar AA ruckman with a height advantage of 8cm. So many of these Stanley taps were around the ground and at throw ins and almost always gained ground Geelong’s way. Nobody can seriously claim that the ruck battle had no influence tonight.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Teams can be on top in games and still be behind on the score board.

Tonight was probably 50/50 with the Cats making the most of their opportunities.

They can but tonight was not one of those games.

Geelong was in control for the majority of the game. Every time we had a mini spark they countered with a goal virtually straight away. Game changed in the last quarter as our fresher legs started to overwhelm them and maybe with another minute we get in front. But we definitely weren’t on top for most of the game.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Sam Darcy looks like he’ll be a real player.

Hoping to see him put together a run of games.

He's incredible and his second efforts are something else for a guy who is yet to grow into his body.

But looked pretty gassed at times tonight.

I think we'll still see him getting managed for periods of time throughout the season.

Im not sure that he's quite ready for extended run just yet.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Libba 19 clearances and 28 CP’s. Insane numbers.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I think this is AFL five day break is not an excuse. We travelled to every state in 2021 finals and won, except when we got the longer rest for the GF.

Geelong are a very system based team, you have to admire how well drilled they are, but the reality is, their older players are still their better players.

The green shoots for us were our youngsters, Darcy, Sanders,Gags, even Flea, great games from them.

Unfortunately once again it was our forward line that didn’t function well, spoiling each other, Naughton, really should play defence, Marra needs to go back to the VFL and get some form. They are both our weak spot instead of our strength.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

They can but tonight was not one of those games.

Geelong was in control for the majority of the game. Every time we had a mini spark they countered with a goal virtually straight away. Game changed in the last quarter as our fresher legs started to overwhelm them and maybe with another minute we get in front. But we definitely weren’t on top for most of the game.

Disagree. Every time Geelong looked like getting away, we were able to gain momentum and close the margin.

Multiple goal for goal passages.

Neither team had control for large parts apart from maybe us in that last quarter. Certainly wasn’t in Geelongs favour for the majority.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Thought Stewart’s impact wasn’t felt as much as it usually is against us. Unfortunately Henry, Guthrie and Kolo were able to do as they please most of the night.

 

[Dogs Rule]

It's honestly laugh otherwise you would cry all this 'good effort, chaps' stuff after a loss like tonight.

Can't keep accepting this. When are we going to stand up and not live in a fantasy land of near enough?

They own us, have done for more than three decades. They don't fear us, they barely rate us, they laugh at us.