The on topic thread 4.0

[Bradesmaen]

Ekoku goes alright. Don't mind Jim Beglin.

Then there's the great man, Danny Mills.

Robbie Savage is the worst of any. He does mainly Man United games, but obviously any English team games for the Champions League/Europa's and the bias and bullshit that comes out of him is unreal. He's an overexcited fan basically.

 

[hawkman]

Poor bloke can't catch a break

Neither can Tottenham it seems

 

[hawkman]

Ekoku goes alright. Don't mind Jim Beglin.

Then there's the great man, Danny Mills.

Ekoku is awful just negative most of the time. Don't mind Beglin, don't mind Matt Holland, Townsend is passable. The rest are terrible

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Robbie Savage is the worst of any. He does mainly Man United games, but obviously any English team games for the Champions League/Europa's and the bias and bullshit that comes out of him is unreal. He's an overexcited fan basically.

Ekoku is awful just negative most of the time. Don't mind Beglin, don't mind Matt Holland, Townsend is passable. The rest are terrible

When you fish for trout and end up with carp...

But how good is that Danny Mills!

 

[Frank Bunn]

And many of the experts that have played the game are horrible commentators. It's almost as if playing men's football at a high level isn't a prerequisite for being able to commentate on it well.

Playing or managing at the level of the game they are commenting on is generally a prerequisite for being an expert pundit. Of course it doesn't guarantee their analysis is any good, but at least they have experienced the game at that level. There are no women who have played at anything like the standard of the Premier League or men's international games. Yet there are several expert women pundits for those games. Former women's players might be able to provide better insights into women's football than a man.

Let's be very generous and say the standard of top level women's football is about National League. Where are the men who have played League 2 or above and want to pursue a career in TV punditry?

 

[SM]

Playing or managing at the level of the game they are commenting on is generally a prerequisite for being an expert pundit. Of course it doesn't guarantee their analysis is any good, but at least they have experienced the game at that level. There are no women who have played at anything like the standard of the Premier League or men's international games. Yet there are several expert women pundits for those games. Former women's players might be able to provide better insights into women's football than a man.

Let's be very generous and say the standard of top level women's football is about National League. Where are the men who have played League 2 or above and want to pursue a career in TV punditry?

It's not a prerequisite for anyone but you.

 

[Bradesmaen]

When you fish for trout and end up with carp...

But how good is that Danny Mills!

Never heard of him.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Never heard of him.

but the elusive trout I seek has!

 

[moomba]

Playing or managing at the level of the game they are commenting on is generally a prerequisite for being an expert pundit. Of course it doesn't guarantee their analysis is any good, but at least they have experienced the game at that level. There are no women who have played at anything like the standard of the Premier League or men's international games. Yet there are several expert women pundits for those games. Former women's players might be able to provide better insights into women's football than a man.

Let's be very generous and say the standard of top level women's football is about National League. Where are the men who have played League 2 or above and want to pursue a career in TV punditry?

I wonder why there is that pre-requisite. Some of the best commentators in other sports haven't played at the highest level. Only seems football has this requirement.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I wonder why there is that pre-requisite. Some of the best commentators in other sports haven't played at the highest level. Only seems football has this requirement.

As I said, I'm talking about the expert pundits not the presenters or main commentator. Gabby Logan does a fine job of presenting MOTD. She's as qualified for the job as Mark Chapman or Conor McNamara. The expert analysts in the studio are always men who have played and/or managed in the Premier League. Owen, Wright, Shearer, Berbatov, Hoddle, Deeney. Their experience gives them credibility.

But for the in game co-commentator expert we are getting people who haven't played at anything like PL standard. The fact that they are women rather than former pros who have played in League 1 or 2 supports Barton's claim that there's an element of DEI hiring happening. Surely he should be able to express that view without the police getting involved.

 

[Cruyff14]

Ekoku is awful just negative most of the time. Don't mind Beglin, don't mind Matt Holland, Townsend is passable. The rest are terrible

Yeah Beglin, Holland and Towsend all very good.

I guess my point was, there are male comms who have played the game and are absolute rubbish which washes Frank's point down the drain.

 

[chef]

I enjoy Karen Carney, seems to know her stuff.

 

[moomba]

As I said, I'm talking about the expert pundits not the presenters or main commentator. Gabby Logan does a fine job of presenting MOTD. She's as qualified for the job as Mark Chapman or Conor McNamara. The expert analysts in the studio are always men who have played and/or managed in the Premier League. Owen, Wright, Shearer, Berbatov, Hoddle, Deeney. Their experience gives them credibility.

I'd rather listen to an expert that's never watched a game of football than the likes of Hoddle, Owen etc.

But for the in game co-commentator expert we are getting people who haven't played at anything like PL standard. The fact that they are women rather than former pros who have played in League 1 or 2 supports Barton's claim that there's an element of DEI hiring happening. Surely he should be able to express that view without the police getting involved.

He could always express his view without comparing people to mass murderers. And without focusing exclusively on women.

I'm sure the police couldn't give a toss about the sexist arseh*le if he tried that.

 

[CURVE]

After a slow start to life back in La Liga 2, Deportivo La Cöruna are starting to play some really good football, and this morning had their biggest win since returning to the second tier defeating 10th placed Castillon 5-1. Depor are now 8pts from the playoff positions with a game in hand against the last placed Tenerife.

After a decade in the wilderness, Depor are finally looking good on the field, I just hope their position off the field is starting to look good as well.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I’d rather listen to some sports journos like Jonathan Wilson than any of the special comments guys we get through Optus. They’re all ordinary and seem out of touch with the game

 

[SM]

I’d rather listen to some sports journos like Jonathan Wilson than any of the special comments guys we get through Optus. They’re all ordinary and seem out of touch with the game

Don't be daft, he hasn't played the game at the required level..

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Was it Frank that had issues with female lead characters in certain film/tv genre's?

 

[Magma]

anyone doing play by play commentary should have to start at the lower levels of the sport and work their way up, not just be gifted a spot on prime time because of their playing career. it would weed out some of the dross along the way.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Was it Frank that had issues with female lead characters in certain film/tv genre's?

Was it Art who did a cowardly drive-by rather than engage in either the sporting or media discussion?

Take it up in the film/TV threads maybe.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Was it Frank that had issues with females?

Ftfy

 

[Cruyff14]

I'd rather listen to an expert that's never watched a game of football than the likes of Hoddle, Owen etc.



He could always express his view without comparing people to mass murderers. And without focusing exclusively on women.

I'm sure the police couldn't give a toss about the sexist arseh*le if he tried that.

I quite like Hoddle.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Was it Art who did a cowardly drive-by rather than engage in either the sporting or media discussion?

Take it up in the film/TV threads maybe.

The fact you answered by asking a question confirms you know what one is. All I did was ask a question, if it wasn't you then no need to be upset.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I'd rather listen to an expert that's never watched a game of football than the likes of Hoddle, Owen etc.



He could always express his view without comparing people to mass murderers. And without focusing exclusively on women.

I'm sure the police couldn't give a toss about the sexist arseh*le if he tried that.

Dissing G.Hodd should be illegal. Even after going full Chav he remains a legend.

Perfectly fine on commentary.

 

[SM]

Was it Art who did a cowardly drive-by rather than engage in either the sporting or media discussion?

Take it up in the film/TV threads maybe.

Showing your true colours.

 

[Bojan KantKick]